The Family in Yeshua or in Jesus

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JaumeJ

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To those who hate Jews so much as to call me and others Judahizers simply for loving to call Him by His name, Yeshua.
The beloved family is anyone and all who call upon Him in Spirit and Truth, whether they too call Him Yeshua or Jesus. He is the same person.
I know those to whom this is directed hate Jews so much, they do not recognized the Olive Tree into which we have been grafted. We cannot survive as grafted in branches without the nourishment of the roots.
No one who believes as I do, the entire Word, for it is all Jesus, Yeshua, will ever go back to the laws of Moses, for they have been fulfilled in Yeshua, the Jew, the King of Jews.
At the same time, no one is going to call Him, Jesus, Yeshua, a liar in saying we should diminish any of the commandments.
In Revelation it is made clear those who have patience and keep the commandments of Yahweh are to receive great reward. Do not teach the brethren not to obey the Two Great Laws of Love, for in obeying them, we obey the Ten Commandments also.
Those who say the Sabbath should be on Sunday, the first day of the week to Jesus, Yeshua, if you truly believe you are honoring the Father, you have no sin. However, you will not find fault in any who observe the Seventh Day in respect to the Father Who has invited us to share His rest in commemorating His rest after having created all that is with just His Word. He tells us to remember the Rest and to keep it the Seventh Day, really a no brainer, but again, anyone comfortable with the day they celebrate the Sabbath in the sight of our Father has no sin.
If any chooses to honor Him in doing as He has prescribed to us in His gift to us, no one can honestly and in the Holy Spirit declare this observation and reverence as unholy. They are simply blind guides who do not know the Word or the Love that is our Heavenly Father.
These people are the same who restrict faith in Yeshua, Jesus, to flags, nationalities, languages, and yes, even fascism. They are to be avoided for no good soldier involves himself in civilian pursuits for his aim is to serve the One Who has enlisted him. The Kingdom welcomes all, widows, orphans, and sojourners especially, and are we not all sojourners awaiting our true Kingdom?
Praise God, Yahweh, Almighty. No one need think himself a Jew, however everyone must recognize from whence cometh his nourishment. Do not lord it over the natural Olive Tree for if by unbelief some of the natural branches have been pruned and thrown into the fire think not some of the wild branch cannot be pruned off and burned alike!
 
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JaumeJ said:
No one need think himself a Jew, however everyone must recognize from whence cometh his nourishment.
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does the christian's nourishment come from the jews, JaumeJ?
YOU SAID YES.

didn't you.
 
JaumeJ

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cenallen said:
does the christian's nourishment come from the jews, JaumeJ?
YOU SAID YES.

didn't you.
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From Jesus Christ, Yeshua, from the root of the natural Olive Tree..........if you do not understand this, I cannot help you.
 
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I wish we could learn to celebrate Him and assemble every day, so we could stop arguing about what custom is the more correct. And I wish He was so close to us, we didn't have to keep calling Him.

And cenallen, Jesus was Jewish, so in a way, our nourishment is from the Jews. Just how hard do you think it would have been for Jesus to tell us everything His Father wanted Him to say, if He didn't have the 1500 years of language and culture as a foundation?
 
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As i read the threads this verse came to mind:
A new commandment I give you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.
The book of Romans teaches us this- For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumsion that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly ; and circumsion is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from Elohim. Romans 2:28,39
 
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The promise was made to Abraham and his seed . if we are in Christ then were heirs with God and joint heirs with Christ. what more could any of us want amen? love you all
 
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i kinda like His other names..never bugged me.
Im just afraid to spell them wrong and i can spell Jesus...so :)
 
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Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition [between us];
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

In Christ we are one NEW man. WE are free to observe or free to abstain from observing Feasts, Fasts, Sabbaths, dietary laws etc. which were all a shadow of That which was to come.
 
WolfInOxHide

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Shouldn't matter much which one we call Him superficially.
As long as we understand His "name" is the whole Salvation package instead of just the verb-age.
 
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crossnote said:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition [between us];
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

In Christ we are one NEW man. WE are free to observe or free to abstain from observing Feasts, Fasts, Sabbaths, dietary laws etc. which were all a shadow of That which was to come.
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I do not think it is that kind of freedom because he came to fulfill the law and not to abolish it. I think the freedom it refers too is the freedom from death [sin]

Jesus observed all of the customs for he was a Jew.

Think of the OT as the way we where taught to crawl, as God getting down to our level and talking to us like a baby "gu-gu-ta-ta" and when we reached maturity, Jesus came and we where taught how to walk. So should we just leave all those OT teachings behind? If you understand "type-ology" [don't know if I misspelled it] you can understand what we where taught as a child OT now that we are adults NT.
 
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Rock022 said:
I do not think it is that kind of freedom because he came to fulfill the law and not to abolish it. I think the freedom it refers too is the freedom from death [sin]

Jesus observed all of the customs for he was a Jew.

Think of the OT as the way we where taught to crawl, as God getting down to our level and talking to us like a baby "gu-gu-ta-ta" and when we reached maturity, Jesus came and we where taught how to walk. So should we just leave all those OT teachings behind? If you understand "type-ology" [don't know if I misspelled it] you can understand what we where taught as a child OT now that we are adults NT.
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so you think we are still bound to Feasts Sabbaths dietary laws, etc?
 
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JaumeJ said:
Those who say the Sabbath should be on Sunday, the first day of the week to Jesus, Yeshua, if you truly believe you are honoring the Father, you have no sin. However, you will not find fault in any who observe the Seventh Day in respect to the Father Who has invited us to share His rest in commemorating His rest after having created all that is with just His Word. He tells us to remember the Rest and to keep it the Seventh Day
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The problem with "literal" sabbath-keeping (as opposed to "spiritual" keeping- that is to say, observing cessation from our works in the finished work of Christ) is that you don't really know when the 7th (or 1st) day of the week actually falls. What I mean is that, just because we according to our most current manner of reckoning the days call "Saturday" the "7th day" this is no way means this has always been the case. In fact, you'll find that when new methods of reckoning come into use (such as the switch from Julian to Gregorian) entire spans of days disappeared to readjust the methods of time-keeping. So there is just no way to know if our "7th day of the week" is the same "7th day" that was sanctified.

So to anyone who would say, "I literally rest from work on the 7th day as commanded in the law" I would ask, "Are you sure?" The odd thing about the 7th day is that it is the only reckoning of time which is not astronomically derived, and the only reckoning we can have no certainty about concerning the right day of the week on which to literally rest. For all we know, our modern "Saturday" is really the ancient "Wednesday" and all "sabbath keepers" are resting on the 4th day of the week while mistakenly thinking they are resting on the 7th day.

This doesn't even take into account things like Enochian reckonings and such as lunar reckonings which also give differing "7th" days.

I believe the reason God has made it impossible to determine the actual 7th day in relation to the 7th day He sanctified in the beginning is pretty clear- the literal 7th day is now meaningless in relation to His covenant with us. Only the spiritual 7th day matters now.
 
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Cobb said:
The problem with "literal" sabbath-keeping (as opposed to "spiritual" keeping- that is to say, observing cessation from our works in the finished work of Christ) is that you don't really know when the 7th (or 1st) day of the week actually falls. What I mean is that, just because we according to our most current manner of reckoning the days call "Saturday" the "7th day" this is no way means this has always been the case. In fact, you'll find that when new methods of reckoning come into use (such as the switch from Julian to Gregorian) entire spans of days disappeared to readjust the methods of time-keeping. So there is just no way to know if our "7th day of the week" is the same "7th day" that was sanctified.

So to anyone who would say, "I literally rest from work on the 7th day as commanded in the law" I would ask, "Are you sure?" The odd thing about the 7th day is that it is the only reckoning of time which is not astronomically derived, and the only reckoning we can have no certainty about concerning the right day of the week on which to literally rest. For all we know, our modern "Saturday" is really the ancient "Wednesday" and all "sabbath keepers" are resting on the 4th day of the week while mistakenly thinking they are resting on the 7th day.

This doesn't even take into account things like Enochian reckonings and such as lunar reckonings which also give differing "7th" days.

I believe the reason God has made it impossible to determine the actual 7th day in relation to the 7th day He sanctified in the beginning is pretty clear- the literal 7th day is now meaningless in relation to His covenant with us. Only the spiritual 7th day matters now.
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I don't know about a spiritual 7th day. I do believe though that Jesus is our Sabbath rest. We are to rest in His redemptive work.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
 
WolfInOxHide

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so you think we are still bound to Feasts Sabbaths dietary laws, etc?
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Yes, but in Spirit rather than the flesh.
For example, a man is to conceal his face, intent, with hair, glory. Grow a beard.
That is, intend things for the glory of God instead of himself.
You don't have to physically grow a beard to do this.
But if you do grow one and partake in the physical experience, messengers may speak and say things like:
"Be careful not to eat God's glory, just cover your face with it."
Or
"Whatever you drink, is exposed in the way you glorify God."

It all still applies one way or another. Some are really hard to understand, but we still experience them daily and struggle with them whether we realize it or not. We don't have to go back to Torah and figure them all out unless we want to. All we have to know is how to respond, and that is, to roll them all up into "Love as I have loved" and fall back on that one.

Y'know? Marring the edges of my beard would have been symbolic of covering my face with "my version" of glory, rather than God's, IF I were keeping the law physically. All I have to really worry about is not trying to sculpt my spiritual "beard" to suit those around me.
And if I trim around my mouth, I might never learn not to eat my own beard. :p

Peace.
 
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WolfInOxHide said:
Yes, but in Spirit rather than the flesh.
For example, a man is to conceal his face, intent, with hair, glory. Grow a beard.
That is, intend things for the glory of God instead of himself.
You don't have to physically grow a beard to do this.
But if you do grow one and partake in the physical experience, messengers may speak and say things like:
"Be careful not to eat God's glory, just cover your face with it."
Or
"Whatever you drink, is exposed in the way you glorify God."

It all still applies one way or another. Some are really hard to understand, but we still experience them daily and struggle with them whether we realize it or not. We don't have to go back to Torah and figure them all out unless we want to. All we have to know is how to respond, and that is, to roll them all up into "Love as I have loved" and fall back on that one.

Y'know? Marring the edges of my beard would have been symbolic of covering my face with "my version" of glory, rather than God's, IF I were keeping the law physically. All I have to really worry about is not trying to sculpt my spiritual "beard" to suit those around me.
And if I trim around my mouth, I might never learn not to eat my own beard. :p

Peace.
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Too bad much of Rabbinical Judaism has fallen to Greek allegorization.
 
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