the function of the 144,000

[Crazy4GODword]

Yes, Romans 11 is talking about Israel but it is talking about how Israel rejected the gospel but they will not be cut off from saving grace to those of them who will believe but it doesn't say anything about the 144,000 so, again, you also are repeating what others teach about them being tribulaton evangelists without anything in the Bible to back up your statement.

If the Bible doesn't specifically say anywhere what you claim, then we don't know that it is their funcition.

Again, someone quote scripture that says the 144,000 will be tribulation evangelists. Is that too much to ask?

What is the big deal you ask? Well, I am just tired of people teaching things that aren't in the Bible and while I wouldn't consider myself out of fellowship with someone who does so on a side issue such as this, I really would like to learn what the Bible teaches about everything it talks about and not learn about what it deosn't talk about.

Well friends if you want to know ask God or keep reading on, Romans 11 God is not forsaking Israel but putting them aside. Israel was first but the rejection of the Christ gave us Gentiles a opportunity to be saved. The Church is not Israel for they are still both God's people. Israel is put aside and we the church is doing God's work, but then after we will be raptured up to the clouds then Israel will step in and do GOD's work on earth and then come the second coming of Christ after the tribulation. Now the tribulation is horrible and the worst of times but it is not hell, so that means God is giving the world (people within) a chance to be saved. Who is still here besides the Church? Israel is. This is the 144000. Evangelism is not gift to a special individual, but a responsibility to all Christian. They are the last call for the world before the last hour but the church will be already in heaven. Israel and the Church is two brothers.

In Christ
Bryan

 

[loveschild]

I am not interested in what Charles Capp has to say about the subject as I am only interested in what the Bible says about it. Is it so hard for someone to come up with scripture to back up what is taught in some chruches these days?

Unless I missed them being mentioned elsewhere in scripture, Revelation 7 and 14 are the only referrence to the 144,000 and it says nowhere in these passages that they are tribulation evengelists so my only conclusions so far is that they are not or that we don't know what their function is.

I think you think what you want to think and you didn't really want any help so you shouldn't have made the post. Jesus!

 

[kentappel]

I think you think what you want to think and you didn't really want any help so you shouldn't have made the post. Jesus!

· I made the post to learn so it is a good thing to do what we are commanded to do in the Bible and test all things.
1 Thessalonians 5:21
· 21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.
So I am still waiting for someone to show me from the Bible why the 144,000 are tribulation evangelists. So far I can only assume that they aren't tribulation evangelists.
The 144,000, from what I have seen, are only mentioned in two chapters in the Bible in Revelation 7 and Revelation 14 and I am amazed that there are probably books out there that are 300 pages long on just these two chapters. What else could someone possibly talk about on the subject than what is already in the Biblical text?

 

[kentappel]

Well friends if you want to know ask God or keep reading on, Romans 11 God is not forsaking Israel but putting them aside. Israel was first but the rejection of the Christ gave us Gentiles a opportunity to be saved. The Church is not Israel for they are still both God's people. Israel is put aside and we the church is doing God's work, but then after we will be raptured up to the clouds then Israel will step in and do GOD's work on earth and then come the second coming of Christ after the tribulation. Now the tribulation is horrible and the worst of times but it is not hell, so that means God is giving the world (people within) a chance to be saved. Who is still here besides the Church? Israel is. This is the 144000. Evangelism is not gift to a special individual, but a responsibility to all Christian. They are the last call for the world before the last hour but the church will be already in heaven. Israel and the Church is two brothers.

In Christ
Bryan

I agree that Jewish believers and the church are two brothers but your assumption centers on that there is a pretribulation rapture as a lot of people believe that the rapture and the second coming of Christ is the same event but even if they aren't the same event, one conclusion that I have come to is that it in no way is going to be a secret event where the Christians just disappear and no one knows what has happened to them. So that is another fairly new tradition that I challenge, the secret rapture.

 

[4runner]

My question is, where do people who teach that they will be evangelists get this idea? Have I missed something? Because if I have, again, where is it?

It is a man made extra biblical teaching taught by pretribber to explain how people are converted after the church is gone

They will preach after the rapture to the hard heads who wouldn't listen.

See told ya. By the way the pre trib rapture is a false anti-biblical teaching created by Satan to keep the church unaware and unprepared for the times of trouble we will shortly go through.

 

[4runner]

It's better to avoid reading Revelation. It's too difficult to understand.

Wow!!!!! This is an absolutely absurd statement. Read all of scripture from Genesis -revelation. Do skip or disregard any of it

God save us from pretribulationism! Amen.

Now this statement I can support, but for very different reasons I am sure

 

[4runner]

Those like you said is evangelists after the rapture. The church will be raptured, and Israel will be these evangelist. If you want scriptures to study about this read Romans 11 I believe it talks about Israel.

This is a totally unbiblical statement

 

[4runner]

Originally Posted by AnandaHya

just wondering. everyone just jumps to the conclusion it can't be John the Baptist but I haven't heard anyone really tell me why it can't be.

John the Baptist was beheaded before the death and resurrection of Jesus

 

[Crazy4GODword]

This is a totally unbiblical statement

How is it? You proove your statement.

 

[4runner]

You can check out a book End Time Events by Charles Capps. That may help you.

I am sure it would not help at all

 

[peterT]

Peace be to you
I follow the lamb,I am celebit,I preach to everyone(muslim,atheist,satanist,jewish,evangelist,false christians,and thanks be to God believers),I am not bound to a church,I do not take moneys from anyone.I walk with God.I am sealed

Does this help you?

Love a friend in God

Yes a rare bible talker indeed. The beginnings of a man of faith.
Who Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

‘I do not take moneys from anyone.”
That walks by faith and not by site and lives by faith praise the lord.
Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them.

As for the 144000 if they don’t preach what do they do, for all men of God preach.

Keep this in mind. James speaking to the churches.
James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, GREETINGS.
We as Christians are of the twelve tribes graffted into the word.

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present [you as] a chaste virgin to Christ.
He has washed us whiter than snow. And we are virgins if we follow the lamb.

A pre-tribulation believing Christian won’t get his, because they don’t think they will be here. Little do they know.

Nowhere in the Bible does a resurrection, or rapture take place before the great tribulation.
It is a delusion, it’s just smoke and mirrors, designed by the devil to keep God’s children unprepared.

The pre-tribulation prophets have gathered a hand full of Bible verses together and bound them together with words of the flesh, and fear, to make it sound like there’s going to be a resurrection, or rapture before the tribulation.
BUT nowhere in the Bible does a resurrection, or rapture take place before the great tribulation
We are going to be tried and tested just like everybody else in the Bible.
Jesus comes at the end of the tribulation at the last trumpet look up the last trumpet.

 

[4runner]

Originally Posted by 4runner

This is a totally unbiblical statement

How is it? You proove your statement.

With the bible

 

[Avinu]

Kentappel, I'll just say, as you put in OP there are only two places in all scripture that speak of 144,000. Except for the couple things written, anything else said is plain and simple adding to God's Word. There isn't a book that any man has wrote that will give sudden revelation on them that the Bible doesn't have, it's just lies. Most who believe other teachings on the 144,000, that's not Biblically backed, will listen to it so it fits there belief in the false teachings of pre-trib rapture. Shalom

 

[4runner]

Kentappel, I'll just say, as you put in OP there are only two places in all scripture that speak of 144,000. Except for the couple things written, anything else said is plain and simple adding to God's Word. There isn't a book that any man has wrote that will give sudden revelation on them that the Bible doesn't have, it's just lies. Most who believe other teachings on the 144,000, that's not Biblically backed, will listen to it so it fits there belief in the false teachings of pre-trib rapture. Shalom

Exactly extra biblical

 

[Crazy4GODword]

I got the answer and it is biblical! The commission......that's a believers job and mission as a Christian, these are servants of God and as servants we obey God and He commanded us to evangelize...everyone of us to spread the gospel. So they are evangelizing maybe not evangelist in office but evanganlizeing...did this help sorry I didn't reply earlier.

 

[Abiding]

Im glad you found the answers you were looking for. But remember we are living epistles. And our evangelism is our normal everday lives.
early in Acts it says they were socializing from house to house eating and breaking bread. Being joyful, having favor with God and man
and God added to the church daily such as should be saved. But Im sure u knew that.

 

[Godsown33]

I have heard sermons where pastors say that the 144,000 of the Book of Revelation are tribulation evangelists for Christ but I see nothing in the Bible that says this. In fact the passages that mention them say that they are going to be sealed and that they are virgins, That they will follow the Lamb wherever He goes,. That they will be redeemed from among men, being first fruits to God and to the Lamb, that in their mouths will be no deceit, and they will be without fault before the throne of God.
But there is nothing that says they will be evangelists for God. My question is, where do people who teach that they will be evangelists get this idea? Have I missed something? Because if I have, again, where is it?

I too find myself being overwhelmed by so many pastors and people speaking in such confidence about things that are not found in the bible. I have found something in reading scripture about the 144,000 that i found interseting. In the book of Zechariah 12:7 "The Lord will save the dwellings of Judah first, so that the honor of the house of David and of Jerusalem’s inhabitants may not be greater than that of Judah. Look at what is said in the Book of Revelation about the 144,000.

Revelation 7:1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: [SUP]3 [/SUP]“Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” [SUP]4 [/SUP]Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.[SUP]5 [/SUP]From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,
from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,
from the tribe of Gad 12,000,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,
from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,
[SUP]7 [/SUP]from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,
from the tribe of Levi 12,000,
from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,
[SUP]8 [/SUP]from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,
from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,
from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

Judah is saved sealed first!!! The 144,000 are redeemed from the earth and dwell with the lamb REV 14:1. Zechriah 12 and the entire book of Revelation are speaking of the return of Jesus and the gathering unto him. We see that right after the 144,000 are sealed then also a great multitude appears in hevean. From reading Rev 7:9 on, we see in the scriptures that the great multitude was no present until that momment because one of the 24 elders is asking who are these, where did they come from? he replied,these are they who have come out of the tribulation.

So they do not preach Gods word to the world, they are redeemed from it(taken out of it). Not before the tribulation but before the wrath of God. As seen in scripture that the wrath of God is poured out upon the 7th seal being opened.

I hope this was able to help!! love you all!!

 

[ANIOHEVTORAH]

I have heard sermons where pastors say that the 144,000 of the Book of Revelation are tribulation evangelists for Christ but I see nothing in the Bible that says this. In fact the passages that mention them say that they are going to be sealed and that they are virgins, That they will follow the Lamb wherever He goes,. That they will be redeemed from among men, being first fruits to God and to the Lamb, that in their mouths will be no deceit, and they will be without fault before the throne of God.
But there is nothing that says they will be evangelists for God. My question is, where do people who teach that they will be evangelists get this idea? Have I missed something? Because if I have, again, where is it?

Revelation 7:2-8
Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3 saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.” 4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:
5 of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed;
6 of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed;
7 of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed;
8 of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed.

Revelation 14:1-5
1 Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of loud thunder. And I heard the sound of harpists playing their harps. 3 They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of God.

I couldn't agree more, the constant mundane attempts to declare such knowledge of what the 144,000 will do. Yet even worse those who claim so pre-trib rapture maked assumptions that they will be evangelists. Yet Rev. 22 in it's last two verses rebukes and warns those who add or take away from this book. Declaring anything other than what Rev. says about them, sounds liking adding to me.

 

[MaggieMye]

and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of God.
They will WORSHIP!

Kentrapped...are you JW??

 

[MaggieMye]

OH...and BTW.. I looked at your bio...and you say saved "from 2000 years ago." Just how old are you anyway?? Because the BIBLE tells us that we must appropriate the sacrifice of Christ and refers to a specific TIME in one's life in Acts 19:2 " [SUP]2 [/SUP]He said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” If you don't know specifically WHEN you believed... you cannot just assume that you are because He died for you. It doesn't work that way. WHEN did you make a commitment to Christ and His Word??
Maggie