The gift of increased faith

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Cameron143

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As you know one of the gifts of the holy spirit is faith. And one of the fruits of the holy spirit is faithfullness,

Since faith is something a believer allready possesses what is the gift of faith suggesting.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.



The Holy Spirit is given to each of us in a special way. That is for the good of all. 8 To some people the Spirit gives a message of wisdom. To others the same Spirit gives a message of knowledge. 9 To others the same Spirit gives faith.

Would this be increased faith as and when needed, as in something you reçieve each time you pray for more faith.

Or would it be something you reçieve once when you pray for it.

Personaly I would of thought theese gifts are permanent and make you pursue them more from within. 😊

On a last note would pursuing love from within, give you the ability to express theese gifts.

As translations suggests it does.

But since I've been told my knowledge of the Greek and Hebrews translations is inadequate, I thought I would raise the question, centred on faith rather than prophesy or tounges, as that one seems to be a touchy subject.
It's a great topic. Faith as a gift is different from saving faith or walking by faith. Studentoftheword did an excellent job of defining the gift as an unshakeable confidence in God. And I do believe many in Hebrews 11 may have possessed such a gift but not all. I think they mostly just believed what God had communicated to them and that is basically what walking by faith is...making everyday decisions based on what God says regardless of our circumstances.

When the gift of faith is employed it is obvious. When Paul was on his way to Rome, the boat he was on was going to be destroyed. God told him that no one would be lost. He shared that with everyone on board and all were saved. You can read the story in Acts.
 

Cameron143

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Another thing...the thing that is believed always comes to pass.
 

resto

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Ive known people who seemed to have Faith that for others would be Presumptuous. They sold everything and went to the Mission Field. These were not your Average People even in the Secular World. Very Successful People. One day one of my close friends just turn to me and said "God Called My Wife And I to The Mission Field". They quit their Jobs, went to Language School for Tagalog. This Guy was a PHD from The University of Arkansas with all those Greek Letters on his Diploma. He Taught Gifted HS Students in High Math. I was stunned. Well he went to the Philippines and wrote a K-12 Christion School Syllabus for President Corazon Aquino. He stayed on and Oversaw it for her for 5 years. I met him back here, he was fund raising, he and his wife went back to language school for Haiti. They started and ran an Orphanage for over 20 years. Dorthy(his wife) past away in the Field. Bill came back to the states and retired. Ive known other people like this. They always say the same things like "If Not Me Then Who?.

Now at 64 I am asking myself the same thing. If Not Me Then Who? I have sold everything I have. My house closes on the 19th. The car dealership wants to buy my car back. Im down to two suitcases and a Backpack. Im buying a Ticket to Thailand. Im so sure that God has called me to this that I have no care about it. My Christian Friends are convinced that this fits me. My secular friends and former co workers are saying the same things. I was always "Over The Top" at everything Ive done they say. My boyhood Friend told me "it fits You were always 110% at everything"

I dont think I have The Gift of Faith. This Makes perfect sense to me. Ask one of my Christian Friends, if I have the Gift of Faith and they would probably say "Yeah, But He Has Always Been Like This...Crazy Mostly".
 

Blain

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not at odds friend just me testing the spirit 😋😍

You passed with flying colours 😊
Well hopefully by now you know I only know to speak from my heart I am an open book I am not afraid of speaking what is placed on me.

Jesus speaks to me I cannot stress that enough I even speak to him him in my own room because to me he is real he is there if you take the first steps in the direction he wants you to go he doesn't stop he keeps going.

Something new something deeper than the relationship with him we know of I have tasted and I have seen the deliciousness of his his being how so much deeper it goes that so many of us are unaware of the truth we all are trying to find in all our interpetation so called holy spirit filled understanding I sought after the real thing I refused to accept things as they are and he with every act of obedience gives results every time.

We are a new generation and it is an invite only kind of thing, he wants us to be a partt of what he is doing it is a CALLING THAT IS NOT PREDESTINED ONLY A CHOICE sorry caps issue atgain but maybe that was intentional.

I believe Christian chat is going to be the spark that revives the body of the Lord even though even online and trust me we are spoken about a lot online Christian chat is not seen as a good thing.

I personally knew of this but what mdoes anyone do about it? For me this was never a hobby or a religion it was mmore than salvation more than faith he was always so much more to me than a God to worship or even my saviour heaven itself and all honor or glory or any crown or title could never begin to compare to the true treeasure of heaven the best of the best him only him.

Don't be surpised if one daY i come on here and a powerful will be felt all throughout the forum everyone feels it powerfully it is going to happen and he is going to open the floodgates Christian chat will be revived and flourish in his life life the kingdom og God is going to brust through and spread like a virus it cannot be stopped wait and see.
 

Fundaamental

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Well hopefully by now you know I only know to speak from my heart I am an open book I am not afraid of speaking what is placed on me.

Jesus speaks to me I cannot stress that enough I even speak to him him in my own room because to me he is real he is there if you take the first steps in the direction he wants you to go he doesn't stop he keeps going.

Something new something deeper than the relationship with him we know of I have tasted and I have seen the deliciousness of his his being how so much deeper it goes that so many of us are unaware of the truth we all are trying to find in all our interpetation so called holy spirit filled understanding I sought after the real thing I refused to accept things as they are and he with every act of obedience gives results every time.

We are a new generation and it is an invite only kind of thing, he wants us to be a partt of what he is doing it is a CALLING THAT IS NOT PREDESTINED ONLY A CHOICE sorry caps issue atgain but maybe that was intentional.

I believe Christian chat is going to be the spark that revives the body of the Lord even though even online and trust me we are spoken about a lot online Christian chat is not seen as a good thing.

I personally knew of this but what mdoes anyone do about it? For me this was never a hobby or a religion it was mmore than salvation more than faith he was always so much more to me than a God to worship or even my saviour heaven itself and all honor or glory or any crown or title could never begin to compare to the true treeasure of heaven the best of the best him only him.

Don't be surpised if one daY i come on here and a powerful will be felt all throughout the forum everyone feels it powerfully it is going to happen and he is going to open the floodgates Christian chat will be revived and flourish in his life life the kingdom og God is going to brust through and spread like a virus it cannot be stopped wait and see.
There ain't nothing Wrong With being predestined With the lord friend and nothing more powerful.

What someone would call predestined I would call a plan

What someone else would call predestined I would call a will

What someone would call predestined, I would call a plan determined by the will of the lord, to set a root through the enemies terrains to regain what is lost,

To establish a foundation on a ground that was taken, and rebuild what was lost. For the lost to re-establish there strength for the next season, when once again the enemy will try to regain its ground.

It was Jesus who set the cause and laid the foundation knowing our adversary would return in a season, The father and Jesus planned and set his cause from the beginning.
Jesus was led of the spirit to fast for 40 days,
He was then led of the spirit to the place of where the tempter was.

Jesus weakened and zapped of all power, vulnerable and just a man at this stage, he defeated the enemy as his flesh was tempted as we are. his flesh was weak . His spirit was under the law of the spirit, and led of the spirit in all things,

He crushed our adversaries words so much so the enemy departed from Jesus for a season. The spirit was showing us Jesus at this stage was as week as a man.
But the spirit never left him and led him.

The slaves of Egypt where also predestined for 40 years untill they where given there home back the land of milk and honey, Israel

The lord parted the oceans and set there path.

Some where lost some where found along the way. All tho there path was set some could still choose to follow there own and some did and they where punished.

But the lord takes life to preserve life, the same he took his sons.

The message was clear for all. The lord was prepared to take life to save life, to grow determination to rule over sin with the fear of dying.

Because sin is death, and wanting to live overcomes death by fear of dying for commiting sin.

The slaves of Egypt where not sent to hell for there wrong doing, no they where made an example of on there chosen path.

As moses was for his wrong doing he
was taken up to the top of mount Sinai and never seen again.

But we know God took him up.

Just as we know the lord finds the prodigal son who has strayed and fallen into sin.

Because his life was predestined into adoption by God the father to the son and by the son to the father, who is able see all things even the future.

Because Once your save your life is saved.

Your life is led of the spirit in all things.

The spirit prepare works in advance and directs your paths.

This ain't no robot experience this is the power of the lord keeping his children safe.

God does not predestine a person to hell or predestine a person to sickness to be born of disease, no he does not.

The enemy does.

The enemy has his paths set for all.

The lord has his path set for all.

Predestination is the path you choose, but once you've chose the right one, your path becomes set.

The lord even gives yo the words to say

As faith comes from hearing the word,

And the word is in the spirit.

And the spirit is in the word you hear.

The word guides you under the spirit that is the word.
 

studentoftheword

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one more question to ponder befor I shoot of.

Faith comes by hearing the word.

Is the spirit in the word 🙂
my view

Jesus is the word ----the Word inbirths the right faith in one who is drawn by the Father who has opened the person's heart to receive the word ------all of us have to be drawn by the Father to have a heart change to be receptive to the Word who is Jesus ----this is different than the anointing of that faith by the Holy Spirit -----The Holy Spirit chooses who He wants to anoint that persons Faith so it is unshakeable to do God's Will ----

When we receive Faith from the Word to believe in Jesus who is the Word we can have wavering Faith ----the Disciples are an example of that ----they had the right Faith but at times wavered and their faith was not stable -------Peter is a good example ----he walked on water till his faith failed him -----he was distracted and believe me Satan is the master of distracting your Faith ---Satan wants your faith to fail --to waver ----but Satan is no match for the anointing of Faith that comes from the Holy Spirit -----that faith will not waver and will sustain the course ----even unto death ----your Stance is securely rooted in what God wants you to do ----------

When the Holy spirit anoints the inbirthed faith from the Word ----that faith is strengthened and the person will stand steadfast in that Faith to do God's Will -----Noah is an example ---for years there was no rain --no sign of any flood but his faith never wavered ---his Faith was anointed to stay the course and finish what God wanted him to do ---His Faith was unshakeable ----can you imagine how many people would have thought Noah was a crazy man and telling him is nuts to build a boat when there was no sign of any flood coming ------- and how many people would have given up and said OK Lord I am done --I don't believe the flood will happen so I am not doing this anymore ------Many would have given up ----but the Holy Spirit ANOINTED----strengthened His Faith to stay the course -----ignoring all the snide remarks by others ------
 

Fundaamental

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my view

Jesus is the word ----the Word inbirths the right faith in one who is drawn by the Father who has opened the person's heart to receive the word ------all of us have to be drawn by the Father to have a heart change to be receptive to the Word who is Jesus ----this is different than the anointing of that faith by the Holy Spirit -----The Holy Spirit chooses who He wants to anoint that persons Faith so it is unshakeable to do God's Will ----

When we receive Faith from the Word to believe in Jesus who is the Word we can have wavering Faith ----the Disciples are an example of that ----they had the right Faith but at times wavered and their faith was not stable -------Peter is a good example ----he walked on water till his faith failed him -----he was distracted and believe me Satan is the master of distracting your Faith ---Satan wants your faith to fail --to waver ----but Satan is no match for the anointing of Faith that comes from the Holy Spirit -----that faith will not waver and will sustain the course ----even unto death ----your Stance is securely rooted in what God wants you to do ----------

When the Holy spirit anoints the inbirthed faith from the Word ----that faith is strengthened and the person will stand steadfast in that Faith to do God's Will -----Noah is an example ---for years there was no rain --no sign of any flood but his faith never wavered ---his Faith was anointed to stay the course and finish what God wanted him to do ---His Faith was unshakeable ----can you imagine how many people would have thought Noah was a crazy man and telling him is nuts to build a boat when there was no sign of any flood coming ------- and how many people would have given up and said OK Lord I am done --I don't believe the flood will happen so I am not doing this anymore ------Many would have given up ----but the Holy Spirit ANOINTED----strengthened His Faith to stay the course -----ignoring all the snide remarks by others ------
excellent analogy 😊 enjoyed the read thanks,

I have a vision of the scripture of Peter waking on water, and the whole event from start, of getting into the boat and coming out in the other side through the storm,

Every single one of those deciples where taken to boat not in body but in spirit. As we see many event in scripture of people being taken places by angels, Jesus and his angels have the ability to take a person soul to a place,

The deciples where none the wiser as there souls where taken from there body as they lay sleeping.

The reason why Peter walked on water was because he was there in spirit with Jesus, and the reason Jesus was walking on spirit was because he was there in spirit.

Only Jesus could stay afloat in spirit because his spirit is the fountain that gives life to all spirit.

Meaning the spirit we have will wonder with out him.

Peter was starting to realise Jesus was the saviour of the world and his spirit was growing stronger to,

but the doubt was there for all not just Peter,

because they never truly understood the spiritual aspect of faith being for your spirit as it is for your body,

And no one still does,
Because without his spirit no matter how strong are spirit is, with out his spirit to guide us we still wonder,

His sheep hear his voice as they follow. his sheep know his voice and they don't wonder,

When they hear his word the spirit draws his spirit that he created

But this they only know.

His sheep hear and they follow.

Some take the lead whilst others follow.

The deciples would of wondered how Peter even managed to stand on water, and all of them probably would of realise they couldn't in body afterwards, as they tried in vain,

Then they realised they had all been taken in spirit and the whole event was in the spirit.

And the lord left that part out for us to workout 😊
 

Fundaamental

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For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

The hand of the Lord was upon me, and He brought me out by the Spirit of the Lord and set me down in the middle of the valley; and it was full of bones

Come near to Me, listen to this:
From the first I have not spoken in secret,
From the time it took place, I was there.
And now the Lord God has sent Me, and His Spirit.”

And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.

All indications the soul of a person can be taken out of the body by the spirit. Or an angel 😇

As in the story of Peter walking on water.
 

CS1

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my view

The filling of the Holy Spirit anoints the person through Faith ----it is an unction to function ----it strengthens Faith to preform God's will ----

Faith comes by hearing the Word -----through Faith the Holy Spirit can anoint the person to have unshakeable Spiritual faith to stand firm for God and preform God's will -----

Spiritual Strong's Concordance
chrisma: an anointing, unction
Original Word: χρίσμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: chrisma
Phonetic Spelling: (khris'-mah)
Definition: an anointing, unction
an anointing and by it they were regarded as endued with the Holy Spirit and divine gifts

Cognate: 5545 xrísma (from 5548 /xríō, "anoint with oil") – anointing, referring to the teaching ministry of the Holy Spirit, guiding the receptive believer into fullness of God's preferred-will (see 2307 /thélēma). See 5548 (xrio).

[This anointing functions through faith (4102 /pístis), i.e. God inwardly persuading the believer of His preferences (cf. also Hab 2:1-4; 1 Jn 5:4).]
 

Blain

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There ain't nothing Wrong With being predestined With the lord friend and nothing more powerful.

What someone would call predestined I would call a plan

What someone else would call predestined I would call a will

What someone would call predestined, I would call a plan determined by the will of the lord, to set a root through the enemies terrains to regain what is lost,

To establish a foundation on a ground that was taken, and rebuild what was lost. For the lost to re-establish there strength for the next season, when once again the enemy will try to regain its ground.

It was Jesus who set the cause and laid the foundation knowing our adversary would return in a season, The father and Jesus planned and set his cause from the beginning.
Jesus was led of the spirit to fast for 40 days,
He was then led of the spirit to the place of where the tempter was.

Jesus weakened and zapped of all power, vulnerable and just a man at this stage, he defeated the enemy as his flesh was tempted as we are. his flesh was weak . His spirit was under the law of the spirit, and led of the spirit in all things,

He crushed our adversaries words so much so the enemy departed from Jesus for a season. The spirit was showing us Jesus at this stage was as week as a man.
But the spirit never left him and led him.

The slaves of Egypt where also predestined for 40 years untill they where given there home back the land of milk and honey, Israel

The lord parted the oceans and set there path.

Some where lost some where found along the way. All tho there path was set some could still choose to follow there own and some did and they where punished.

But the lord takes life to preserve life, the same he took his sons.

The message was clear for all. The lord was prepared to take life to save life, to grow determination to rule over sin with the fear of dying.

Because sin is death, and wanting to live overcomes death by fear of dying for commiting sin.

The slaves of Egypt where not sent to hell for there wrong doing, no they where made an example of on there chosen path.

As moses was for his wrong doing he
was taken up to the top of mount Sinai and never seen again.

But we know God took him up.

Just as we know the lord finds the prodigal son who has strayed and fallen into sin.

Because his life was predestined into adoption by God the father to the son and by the son to the father, who is able see all things even the future.

Because Once your save your life is saved.

Your life is led of the spirit in all things.

The spirit prepare works in advance and directs your paths.

This ain't no robot experience this is the power of the lord keeping his children safe.

God does not predestine a person to hell or predestine a person to sickness to be born of disease, no he does not.

The enemy does.

The enemy has his paths set for all.

The lord has his path set for all.

Predestination is the path you choose, but once you've chose the right one, your path becomes set.

The lord even gives yo the words to say

As faith comes from hearing the word,

And the word is in the spirit.

And the spirit is in the word you hear.

The word guides you under the spirit that is the word.
I cannot even say the words here, your growing so fast I could tell the holy spirit took you over as you wrote this.
 

Fundaamental

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I cannot even say the words here, your growing so fast I could tell the holy spirit took you over as you wrote this.
cheers bro. I'm sure it also come from connecting with brothers so grown in the lord like yourself, who have been through the tests and the fire, who have been crafted into being Christ like, and seeked the lord all there life 😊 and been there and lived it.

I've been studying the bible for a few weeks with the thought of how many other people have been talking in the spirit,

What I mean is when they've spoke it was an outer body Experience, IE there soul had been carried of some where.

Its astounding how many scriptures it can fit into.

Could be they key to many question marks in the bible to.
 

Blain

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cheers bro. I'm sure it also come from connecting with brothers so grown in the lord like yourself, who have been through the tests and the fire, who have been crafted into being Christ like, and seeked the lord all there life 😊 and been there and lived it.

I've been studying the bible for a few weeks with the thought of how many other people have been talking in the spirit,

What I mean is when they've spoke it was an outer body Experience, IE there soul had been carried of some where.

Its astounding how many scriptures it can fit into.

Could be they key to many question marks in the bible to.
I am not exactly sure but it might be like how it works with my poems. Like to speak in the spirit your just a blank slate if I write of a place in this state it is as if I am mactually there I can describe the texture of the dirt the feel of the grass the smell of the water as you pass by it and yeah it has a smell living water is unique that way.

Perhaps it is in this way one is here physically but their spirit is not is that what your saying?
 

Fundaamental

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I am not exactly sure but it might be like how it works with my poems. Like to speak in the spirit your just a blank slate if I write of a place in this state it is as if I am mactually there I can describe the texture of the dirt the feel of the grass the smell of the water as you pass by it and yeah it has a smell living water is unique that way.

Perhaps it is in this way one is here physically but their spirit is not is that what your saying?
I believe a persons mind is also there conscience and the essence of there soul.

I believe we are all sleepers in this reguard.

How ever when the conscience of the mind is carried of by the spirit.
A separation of the physical body takes place.

The physical body will fall to sleep or go into a transe like state untill the conscience is returned,

Because the outer conscience is also the essence of feeling and awareness.

The Body has two consciences your outer conscience which processes every thing you see all day and your inner conscience stores only the information it finds worthy of storing,

Your inner conscience will not store everything but quite often store information when you want it too or when you keep seeing or keep learning the same thing.

Your inner conscience function control organs such as your heart beat and long term memory.

but your outer conscience controls short term memory, feeling and awareness, over a 24 period, your outer conscience will decide which memories and feelings it will store to your inner conscience.

I believe the spirit carries the outer conscience away to see things like the heavens or miracles etc or even learn new intellect.

and then returns the outer conscience back to the inner conscience,

the outer conscience will not realise a separation has taken place but the inner conscience might begin to realise it after the outer conscience has returned. Hope that helps 😊 the outer conscience can also start to learn a separation has taken place, but more often it does not.
 

Fundaamental

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I am not exactly sure but it might be like how it works with my poems. Like to speak in the spirit your just a blank slate if I write of a place in this state it is as if I am mactually there I can describe the texture of the dirt the feel of the grass the smell of the water as you pass by it and yeah it has a smell living water is unique that way.

Perhaps it is in this way one is here physically but their spirit is not is that what your saying?
another way to look at is.

Your inner conscience will learn a bite from an insect will cause a chemical reaction, your inner conscience will then signal counteractive measures to send defence mechanisms to fight the alien invasion, with its own chemicals.

But it can not do that without the outer conscience, which controls feeling and awareness,

So basicaly if my outer conscience was taken out of my body and you hit me over the head with a shovel to wake me up, I wouldn't wake up or even feel it,
 

Fundaamental

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The father himself can Kill a person this way.

Ie the father himself could carry the outer conscience away so that the outer body does not feel the pain of death.
 

Fundaamental

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This could make pretrib
A myth, as many Christian believe God would not let his children be harmed but forget the lord can carry there conscience away. 😊