The gospel of Jesus was always obeyed by God's people but rejected by those who refused Him

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throughfaith

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That is almost a repeat of Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood and i have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for our souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.

Man was told this long before Christ was born as a man.
Both of these are still referring to animals.
 

mailmandan

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What is your take on 2 Tim 2:13?
What is your take on Romans 10:16?

In regards to 2 Timothy 2:13, I see a contrast with, "if we died with Him, We shall also live with Him. If we endure, We shall also reign with Him -- AND -- If we deny Him, He also will deny us. If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.

"By contrast, the latter "deny Him and faithless" points to the opposite of died with Him, endure and reign with Him. Jesus Himself warned of the danger of denying Him in Matthew 10:33 - "But whoever shall deny Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.." To "deny him" here does not point merely to a temporary weakness of faith, as in the case of Peter who denied Jesus three times during a moment of weakness (Luke 22:54-62), but is referring to life in it's entirety. The inevitable result is that "He will also deny us."

The warning is repeated in the final sentence, "if we are faithless, he abideth faithful." To be "faithless" is in the present tense and denotes this as the habitual attitude, not a temporary lapse of faith. But in contrast to human faithlessness, "He remains faithful," faithful to His word and righteous character and His warning that unbelievers will be rejected.
 

Jackson123

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Or if we are saved by doing good then what's all this business about the Death burial and resurrection, atonement, Sins taken away , Sealing of the Holy Spirit, predestination, Eternal life ect ?
Jesus forgive our sin If we forgive other

Matt 6
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

If we not, Father not forgive us
Do you expect go to heaven without His forgiveness?

Than we are Superman save without forgiven from God
 

Blik

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Both of these are still referring to animals.
Unbelievable!! Have you met the Lord? The Lord tells us of the kingdom of God and animals play a very small part in that kingdom.