The gospel of Jesus was always obeyed by God's people but rejected by those who refused Him

[MyrtleTrees]

Below, you see that Paul always preached the same gospel that Jesus preached while on earth. Though in addition - he also taught about the Holy Spirit's role in salvation that comes through Jesus. Christians didn't understand that doctrine well, until the day of Pentecost took place, about 50 days after Jesus ascended back to heaven. That was when the widespread outpouring of God's Spirit happened for the first time in history.

The point I'm trying to make, is that we are not to divorce the gospel Jesus preached, from the gospel message the apostles, etc. of the New Testament preached after Jesus was gone. We are to see that it is the same, and to be careful to abide by it.

Rom 15:19
19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.
KJV

See below, how all those who rejected God, are also described as having rejected the gospel. Which was the same as in the New Testament, except for switching from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant, as a result of Jesus' death on the cross and His resurrection.

Rom 10:15-17

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
KJV

Below, it can be seen that the major reason people have rejected God throughout history, is that they loved their sin more than they hungered for God. Anyone who sincerely hungers for God, is willing to repent of their sins:

John 3:19-21

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
KJV

 

[throughfaith]

Below, you see that Paul always preached the same gospel that Jesus preached while on earth. Though in addition - he also taught about the Holy Spirit's role in salvation that comes through Jesus. Christians didn't understand that doctrine well, until the day of Pentecost took place, about 50 days after Jesus ascended back to heaven. That was when the widespread outpouring of God's Spirit happened for the first time in history.

The point I'm trying to make, is that we are not to divorce the gospel Jesus preached, from the gospel message the apostles, etc. of the New Testament preached after Jesus was gone. We are to see that it is the same, and to be careful to abide by it.

Rom 15:19
19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.
KJV

See below, how all those who rejected God, are also described as having rejected the gospel. Which was the same as in the New Testament, except for switching from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant, as a result of Jesus' death on the cross and His resurrection.

Rom 10:15-17

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
KJV

Below, it can be seen that the major reason people have rejected God throughout history, is that they loved their sin more than they hungered for God. Anyone who sincerely hungers for God, is willing to repent of their sins:

John 3:19-21

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
KJV

It was approx 10 years from Acts 2 before Peter understands the Gospel and the giving of the Holy Spirit was also for the gentiles . So do you think the apostles understood and were preaching the same message ? When its not until Mathew 27 before they understood the death , burial and resurrection? Can we be saved today by not Believing in the resurrection? When Jesus rose they did not believe, let alone believe in His need to die on a cross .

 

[Benadam]

It was approx 10 years from Acts 2 before Peter understands the Gospel and the giving of the Holy Spirit was also for the gentiles . So do you think the apostles understood and were preaching the same message ? When its not until Mathew 27 before they understood the death , burial and resurrection? Can we be saved today by not Believing in the resurrection? When Jesus rose they did not believe, let alone believe in His need to die on a cross .

Jesus revealed the inclusion of the Gentiles to Peter. Was His timing wrong?

 

[throughfaith]

Jesus revealed the inclusion of the Gentiles to Peter. Was His timing wrong?

Sorry, which verse says Jesus revealed the inclusion of the gentiles to Peter ?

 

[Guojing]

Below, you see that Paul always preached the same gospel that Jesus preached while on earth. Though in addition - he also taught about the Holy Spirit's role in salvation that comes through Jesus. Christians didn't understand that doctrine well, until the day of Pentecost took place, about 50 days after Jesus ascended back to heaven. That was when the widespread outpouring of God's Spirit happened for the first time in history.

The point I'm trying to make, is that we are not to divorce the gospel Jesus preached, from the gospel message the apostles, etc. of the New Testament preached after Jesus was gone. We are to see that it is the same, and to be careful to abide by it.

Rom 15:19
19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.
KJV

See below, how all those who rejected God, are also described as having rejected the gospel. Which was the same as in the New Testament, except for switching from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant, as a result of Jesus' death on the cross and His resurrection.

Rom 10:15-17

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
KJV

Below, it can be seen that the major reason people have rejected God throughout history, is that they loved their sin more than they hungered for God. Anyone who sincerely hungers for God, is willing to repent of their sins:

John 3:19-21

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
KJV

What does the word gospel means to you?

What was the gospel that Gabriel announced to Mary in Luke 1 and Zechariah prophesied about Jesus in the same chapter?

 

[throughfaith]

What does the word gospel means to you?

What was the gospel that Gabriel announced to Mary in Luke 1 and Zechariah prophesied about Jesus in the same chapter?

Great point.

 

[lenna]

What does the word gospel means to you?

What was the gospel that Gabriel announced to Mary in Luke 1 and Zechariah prophesied about Jesus in the same chapter?

what is the gospel to you?

you cannot invalidate scripture because of your personal interpretations

and you have been told this over and over by different people

your version does not acknowledge James as being pertinent, never mind other books

get real. stop the leading questions. you hide what your really believe and people wonder what it is you are getting at

the entire time, your questions are coming from your personal interpretations that are not the gospel we find in the NT

 

[lenna]

Sorry, which verse says Jesus revealed the inclusion of the gentiles to Peter ?

Acts 10

but you do not believe Acts counts as doctrine, so your responses are not really valid

you cannot disallow Acts unless you are uncomfortable with it

you are not an authority on the Holy Spirit, but He is an authority on those who pretend He is no longer acting on behalf of God

while praying, Peter received a vision from God...I am sure you know about it

who do you think you are exactly to deviate from the truth the way that you do?

it is your choice, of course, to leave out whatever you want as no longer applicable...but that is your choice

the fact is, God did reveal the gospel as applicable to Gentiles also

therefore, whoever states God did not do this, is either blind or perhaps of another spirit than the truth


Then Peter began to speak, “In solemn truth I can see now that God is no respecter of persons, but that in every nation the man who reverences him and does what is right is acceptable to him! He has sent his message to the sons of Israel by giving us the good news of peace through Jesus Christ—he is the Lord of us all.
You must know the story of Jesus of Nazareth—why, it has spread through the whole of Judea, beginning with Galilee after the baptism that John proclaimed. You must have heard how God anointed him with the power of the Holy Spirit, of how he went about doing good and healing all who suffered from the devil’s power—because God was with him.
Now we are eye-witnesses of everything that he did, both in the Judean country and in Jerusalem itself, and yet they murdered him by hanging him on a cross. But on the third day God raised that same Jesus and let him be clearly seen, not indeed by the whole people, but by witnesses whom God had previously chosen.
We are those witnesses, we who ate and drank with him after he had risen from the dead! Moreover, we are the men whom he commanded to preach to the people and bear fearless witness to the fact that he is the one appointed by God to be the judge of both the living and the dead.
It is to him that all the prophets bear witness, that every man who believes in him may receive forgiveness of sins through his name.” While Peter was still speaking these words the Holy Spirit fell upon all who were listening to his message. The Jewish believers who had come with Peter were absolutely amazed that the gift of the Holy Spirit was being poured out on Gentiles also; for they heard them speaking in foreign tongues and glorifying God.

this not your truth perhaps, but it is THE truth

 

[Guojing]

what is the gospel to you?

you cannot invalidate scripture because of your personal interpretations

and you have been told this over and over by different people

your version does not acknowledge James as being pertinent, never mind other books

get real. stop the leading questions. you hide what your really believe and people wonder what it is you are getting at

the entire time, your questions are coming from your personal interpretations that are not the gospel we find in the NT

I am asking what saith the scripture in Luke 1.

It’s a simple question and not a personal interpretation

 

[Guojing]

Acts 10

but you do not believe Acts counts as doctrine, so your responses are not really valid

you cannot disallow Acts unless you are uncomfortable with it

you are not an authority on the Holy Spirit, but He is an authority on those who pretend He is no longer acting on behalf of God

while praying, Peter received a vision from God...I am sure you know about it

who do you think you are exactly to deviate from the truth the way that you do?

it is your choice, of course, to leave out whatever you want as no longer applicable...but that is your choice

the fact is, God did reveal the gospel as applicable to Gentiles also

therefore, whoever states God did not do this, is either blind or perhaps of another spirit than the truth


Then Peter began to speak, “In solemn truth I can see now that God is no respecter of persons, but that in every nation the man who reverences him and does what is right is acceptable to him! He has sent his message to the sons of Israel by giving us the good news of peace through Jesus Christ—he is the Lord of us all.
You must know the story of Jesus of Nazareth—why, it has spread through the whole of Judea, beginning with Galilee after the baptism that John proclaimed. You must have heard how God anointed him with the power of the Holy Spirit, of how he went about doing good and healing all who suffered from the devil’s power—because God was with him.
Now we are eye-witnesses of everything that he did, both in the Judean country and in Jerusalem itself, and yet they murdered him by hanging him on a cross. But on the third day God raised that same Jesus and let him be clearly seen, not indeed by the whole people, but by witnesses whom God had previously chosen.
We are those witnesses, we who ate and drank with him after he had risen from the dead! Moreover, we are the men whom he commanded to preach to the people and bear fearless witness to the fact that he is the one appointed by God to be the judge of both the living and the dead.
It is to him that all the prophets bear witness, that every man who believes in him may receive forgiveness of sins through his name.” While Peter was still speaking these words the Holy Spirit fell upon all who were listening to his message. The Jewish believers who had come with Peter were absolutely amazed that the gift of the Holy Spirit was being poured out on Gentiles also; for they heard them speaking in foreign tongues and glorifying God.

this not your truth perhaps, but it is THE truth

Ahh you do agree at least it was not in Matthew 28 great commission that Peter knew gentiles were to be included, but only in acts 10?

 

[Kolistus]

Jesus revealed the inclusion of the Gentiles to Peter. Was His timing wrong?

Your timing of it is wrong yes. Jesus revealed all of that to the Apostles in Matthew 28:19-20

 

[Kolistus]

Ahh you do agree at least it was not in Matthew 28 great commission that Peter knew gentiles were to be included, but only in acts 10?

Jesus said it, and looks like Peter needed some reminding later on...

 

[Benadam]

Sorry, which verse says Jesus revealed the inclusion of the gentiles to Peter ?

Acts 10
34 Then Peter replied, “I see very clearly that the Jews are not God’s only favorites! 35 In every nation he has those who worship him and do good deeds and are acceptable to him. 36-

 

[Blik]

Below, you see that Paul always preached the same gospel that Jesus preached while on earth. Though in addition - he also taught about the Holy Spirit's role in salvation that comes through Jesus. Christians didn't understand that doctrine well, until the day of Pentecost took place, about 50 days after Jesus ascended back to heaven. That was when the widespread outpouring of God's Spirit happened for the first time in history.

The point I'm trying to make, is that we are not to divorce the gospel Jesus preached, from the gospel message the apostles, etc. of the New Testament preached after Jesus was gone. We are to see that it is the same, and to be careful to abide by it.

Rom 15:19
19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.
KJV

See below, how all those who rejected God, are also described as having rejected the gospel. Which was the same as in the New Testament, except for switching from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant, as a result of Jesus' death on the cross and His resurrection.

Rom 10:15-17

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
KJV

Below, it can be seen that the major reason people have rejected God throughout history, is that they loved their sin more than they hungered for God. Anyone who sincerely hungers for God, is willing to repent of their sins:

John 3:19-21

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
KJV

If we understand and accept ALL of what Paul wrote, not jerry picking, this is true. But some pit Paul against Christ and that is a distortion of Paul. As an example we have many who feel that the importance of the fact that work is not what saves us, but faith in Christ saves. A distortion of that is that Christ does not expect us to repent of sin nor try our best to follow Him.

Also, there is a distortion I have seen of Pentecost. It is such an important event we are to celebrate as had been done for over a thousand years before the day the Holy Spirit was given to all. It was a celebration of the giving of the law. But what is distorted is that understanding the Holy Spirit is now gives us the law, only instead of giving the law in stone and rules the law is given through the Holy Spirit.

God's message is the very same message that time never changes. We are carried away with the forgiveness of all sin the Lord offers, and forget to repent and try to do our best to maintain the righteousness Christ offers. The Jews got carried away with the easy physical parts given to carry out the real law of love. We are forgetting the repentance because it causes work, they forgot the love.

The rules aren't important except they help us understand the law of love. But when we don't listen to the Lord then Christ tells us "I never knew you".

 

[Benadam]

Your timing of it is wrong yes. Jesus revealed all of that to the Apostles in Matthew 28:19-20

I have no timing in the mix. God's timing is what is in question. No?

 

[Benadam]

Your timing of it is wrong yes. Jesus revealed all of that to the Apostles in Matthew 28:19-20

No He didn't. Matt commands conversion.
They were to be converted to Judaism as far as the Apostles knew.
The vision commanding to eat non kosher meat was an inclusion because He knew then they didn't have to become Jewish.

 

[Guojing]

Jesus said it, and looks like Peter needed some reminding later on...

So you think Peter misunderstood Jesus initally, even after spending 40 days post resurrection with Christ and learning about the kingdom from him (Acts 1:3)?

 

[throughfaith]

Acts 10
34 Then Peter replied, “I see very clearly that the Jews are not God’s only favorites! 35 In every nation he has those who worship him and do good deeds and are acceptable to him. 36-

Yes that's 10 years after Acts 2 .

 

[JaumeJ]

It has been two thousand years since we were reminded of the Two Great Laws..........

Does the elapsed time make this reminder null and void?

 

[Guojing]

Yes that's 10 years after Acts 2 .

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

And interestingly, 10 years after Acts 2, Peter still do not understand the Cross the way Paul did.

The criteria he used is still fear him and work righteousness, to be accepted by God.