Is there a strong, biblical claim that The Gospel of John was written by John.
John 21:20-24
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Peter, turning around, *saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them; the one who also had leaned back on His bosom at the supper and said, “Lord, who is the one who betrays You?” [SUP]21 [/SUP]So Peter seeing him *said to Jesus, “Lord, and what about this man?” [SUP]22 [/SUP]Jesus *said to him, “If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me!” [SUP]23 [/SUP]Therefore this saying went out among the brethren that that disciple would not die; yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but only, “If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you?”
[SUP]24 [/SUP]This is the disciple who is testifying to these things and wrote these things, and we know that his testimony is true.
John 13:23-26
[SUP]23 [/SUP]There was reclining on Jesus’ bosom one of His disciples, whom Jesus loved. [SUP]24 [/SUP]So Simon Peter *gestured to him, and *said to him, “Tell us who it is of whom He is speaking.” [SUP]25 [/SUP]He, leaning back thus on Jesus’ bosom, *said to Him, “Lord, who is it?”
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Jesus then *answered, “That is the one for whom I shall dip the morsel and give it to him.” So when He had dipped the morsel, He *took and *gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot.
I am sure that I am missing something, but I can/have not been able to positively concluded that the "disciple whom Jesus loved", was John.
John 19:26-30
[SUP]26 [/SUP]When Jesus then saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He *said to His mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” [SUP]27 [/SUP]Then He *said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” From that hour the disciple took her into his own household.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]After this, Jesus, knowing that all things had already been accomplished, to fulfill the Scripture, *said, “I am thirsty.” [SUP]29 [/SUP]A jar full of sour wine was standing there; so they put a sponge full of the sour wine upon a branch of hyssop and brought it up to His mouth.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit.
One time I thought I had narrowed it down by this verse...but the "two other disciples" really didn't help narrow this down. But we do have plenty of information to conclude that the disciple whom Jesus loved was not Peter - but that is about all the narrowing down I have really done - anyone except Peter.
John 21:1-7
After these things Jesus manifested Himself again to the disciples at the Sea of Tiberias, and He manifested Himself in this way. [SUP]2[/SUP]Simon Peter, and Thomas called Didymus, and Nathanael of Cana in Galilee, and the sons of Zebedee, and two others of His disciples were together. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Simon Peter *said to them, “I am going fishing.” They *said to him, “We will also come with you.” They went out and got into the boat; and that night they caught nothing.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But when the day was now breaking, Jesus stood on the beach; yet the disciples did not know that it was Jesus. [SUP]5 [/SUP]So Jesus *said to them, “Children, you do not have any fish, do you?” They answered Him, “No.” [SUP]6 [/SUP]And He said to them, “Cast the net on the right-hand side of the boat and you will find a catch.” So they cast, and then they were not able to haul it in because of the great number of fish. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved *said to Peter, “It is the Lord.”
Mark 14:43-52
[SUP]43 [/SUP]Immediately while He was still speaking, Judas, one of the twelve, *came up accompanied by a crowd with swords and clubs, who were from the chief priests and the scribes and the elders. [SUP]44 [/SUP]Now he who was betraying Him had given them a signal, saying, “Whomever I kiss, He is the one; seize Him and lead Him away under guard.” [SUP]45 [/SUP]After coming, Judas immediately went to Him, saying, “Rabbi!” and kissed Him. [SUP]46 [/SUP]They laid hands on Him and seized Him. [SUP]47 [/SUP]But one of those who stood by drew his sword, and struck the slave of the high priest and cut off his ear. [SUP]48 [/SUP]And Jesus said to them, “Have you come out with swords and clubs to arrest Me, as you would against a robber? [SUP]49 [/SUP]Every day I was with you in the temple teaching, and you did not seize Me; but this has taken place to fulfill the Scriptures.” [SUP]50 [/SUP]And they all left Him and fled.
[SUP]51 [/SUP]A young man was following Him, wearing nothing but a linen sheet over his naked body; and they *seized him. [SUP]52 [/SUP]But he pulled free of the linen sheet and escaped naked. - who is this "naked" man
No doubt there will be someone who reads this that will think, "Don't we have more important things to think about" - Well, stop reading this thread. It may not be important, but I would like to have some input of this, since, for some reason, it keeps coming up - in my mind. I thought that maybe someone could shed some light on this for me. If I understand correctly, "The Gospel of John" was not on the original, but for discussion's sake, let's assume that it wasn't. Can anyone give me scriptural evidence that the disciple whom Jesus loved was, in fact John.
John 21:20-24
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Peter, turning around, *saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them; the one who also had leaned back on His bosom at the supper and said, “Lord, who is the one who betrays You?” [SUP]21 [/SUP]So Peter seeing him *said to Jesus, “Lord, and what about this man?” [SUP]22 [/SUP]Jesus *said to him, “If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me!” [SUP]23 [/SUP]Therefore this saying went out among the brethren that that disciple would not die; yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but only, “If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you?”
[SUP]24 [/SUP]This is the disciple who is testifying to these things and wrote these things, and we know that his testimony is true.
John 13:23-26
[SUP]23 [/SUP]There was reclining on Jesus’ bosom one of His disciples, whom Jesus loved. [SUP]24 [/SUP]So Simon Peter *gestured to him, and *said to him, “Tell us who it is of whom He is speaking.” [SUP]25 [/SUP]He, leaning back thus on Jesus’ bosom, *said to Him, “Lord, who is it?”
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Jesus then *answered, “That is the one for whom I shall dip the morsel and give it to him.” So when He had dipped the morsel, He *took and *gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot.
I am sure that I am missing something, but I can/have not been able to positively concluded that the "disciple whom Jesus loved", was John.
John 19:26-30
[SUP]26 [/SUP]When Jesus then saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He *said to His mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” [SUP]27 [/SUP]Then He *said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” From that hour the disciple took her into his own household.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]After this, Jesus, knowing that all things had already been accomplished, to fulfill the Scripture, *said, “I am thirsty.” [SUP]29 [/SUP]A jar full of sour wine was standing there; so they put a sponge full of the sour wine upon a branch of hyssop and brought it up to His mouth.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit.
One time I thought I had narrowed it down by this verse...but the "two other disciples" really didn't help narrow this down. But we do have plenty of information to conclude that the disciple whom Jesus loved was not Peter - but that is about all the narrowing down I have really done - anyone except Peter.
John 21:1-7
After these things Jesus manifested Himself again to the disciples at the Sea of Tiberias, and He manifested Himself in this way. [SUP]2[/SUP]Simon Peter, and Thomas called Didymus, and Nathanael of Cana in Galilee, and the sons of Zebedee, and two others of His disciples were together. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Simon Peter *said to them, “I am going fishing.” They *said to him, “We will also come with you.” They went out and got into the boat; and that night they caught nothing.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But when the day was now breaking, Jesus stood on the beach; yet the disciples did not know that it was Jesus. [SUP]5 [/SUP]So Jesus *said to them, “Children, you do not have any fish, do you?” They answered Him, “No.” [SUP]6 [/SUP]And He said to them, “Cast the net on the right-hand side of the boat and you will find a catch.” So they cast, and then they were not able to haul it in because of the great number of fish. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved *said to Peter, “It is the Lord.”
Mark 14:43-52
[SUP]43 [/SUP]Immediately while He was still speaking, Judas, one of the twelve, *came up accompanied by a crowd with swords and clubs, who were from the chief priests and the scribes and the elders. [SUP]44 [/SUP]Now he who was betraying Him had given them a signal, saying, “Whomever I kiss, He is the one; seize Him and lead Him away under guard.” [SUP]45 [/SUP]After coming, Judas immediately went to Him, saying, “Rabbi!” and kissed Him. [SUP]46 [/SUP]They laid hands on Him and seized Him. [SUP]47 [/SUP]But one of those who stood by drew his sword, and struck the slave of the high priest and cut off his ear. [SUP]48 [/SUP]And Jesus said to them, “Have you come out with swords and clubs to arrest Me, as you would against a robber? [SUP]49 [/SUP]Every day I was with you in the temple teaching, and you did not seize Me; but this has taken place to fulfill the Scriptures.” [SUP]50 [/SUP]And they all left Him and fled.
[SUP]51 [/SUP]A young man was following Him, wearing nothing but a linen sheet over his naked body; and they *seized him. [SUP]52 [/SUP]But he pulled free of the linen sheet and escaped naked. - who is this "naked" man
No doubt there will be someone who reads this that will think, "Don't we have more important things to think about" - Well, stop reading this thread. It may not be important, but I would like to have some input of this, since, for some reason, it keeps coming up - in my mind. I thought that maybe someone could shed some light on this for me. If I understand correctly, "The Gospel of John" was not on the original, but for discussion's sake, let's assume that it wasn't. Can anyone give me scriptural evidence that the disciple whom Jesus loved was, in fact John.
, though not conclusively. I don't know how important this is, but like I said it keeps coming up - mainly because we are studying John in bible class and the teacher keeps says what did "John" mean when he wrote.... Which really shouldn't bother me, but it does. I just think it is kind of silly to assume that the disciple whom Jesus loved was John when there is little to no evidence to support it.