The Gospels and the Mystery
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you got it, Jesus kept the 10 commandments and was teaching them, the way Paul writes is sometimes difficult to understand and people falsly interpert that paul said the commandments were no more or are abolished which cannot be as God does not change.
If Paul meant the commandments were abolished he would be a false prophet according to deuteronomy.
this is what paul said;"But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully." (1 tim 1:8, NKJV)
1 Timothy 1:8 in the New King James Version (NKJV)
also;
Romans 7:12 (NKJV): "Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good."
Romans 7:14 (NKJV): "For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin."
to those who negate the commandments jesus said;
Matthew 7:21-23:
JFF
If Paul meant the commandments were abolished he would be a false prophet according to deuteronomy.
this is what paul said;"But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully." (1 tim 1:8, NKJV)
1 Timothy 1:8 in the New King James Version (NKJV)
also;
Romans 7:12 (NKJV): "Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good."
Romans 7:14 (NKJV): "For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin."
to those who negate the commandments jesus said;
Matthew 7:21-23:
- "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven."
- "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'"
- "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'"
JFF
how is it them that circumcision - which was 430 years before the law - is taken away?
does that mean God has changed?
how is it that Adam only ate vegetables, Noah was given all meats, Moses was given only kosher meats, then Jesus declared all food clean again?
does that mean God has changed?
how is it the blood of bulls and goats were commanded and now it is an abomination to sacrifice them?
does that mean God has changed?
how is it Abraham made altars where he saw fit, then Israel was commanded God could only be worshiped at the tabernacle, then only at the temple, and then Jesus says He is neither worshipped on one mountain or another?
does that mean God has changed?
i think you are confusing the regulation of carnal activities with God.
does that mean God has changed?
how is it that Adam only ate vegetables, Noah was given all meats, Moses was given only kosher meats, then Jesus declared all food clean again?
does that mean God has changed?
how is it the blood of bulls and goats were commanded and now it is an abomination to sacrifice them?
does that mean God has changed?
how is it Abraham made altars where he saw fit, then Israel was commanded God could only be worshiped at the tabernacle, then only at the temple, and then Jesus says He is neither worshipped on one mountain or another?
does that mean God has changed?
i think you are confusing the regulation of carnal activities with God.
The only one of the ten Paul never reiterated as a demand upon us today is the Sabbath. Legalists today speak much about the observance of Sabbath, and yet never admit that "going to church" is work when rushing about to get the family ready and off to churchianity, hustling just as if they were at their jobs. Not much of a day of rest when hustling about for more than half that day...not to mention that the sabbath is actually Saturday, not Sunday, but we are not bound by that. If we were, as a work, then we have fallen from grace.
MM
MM
The constant, irrational denials of there being more than one Gospel in the NT basically serve as an accusation against the apostles for having allegedly leaving out various elements from their presentations of the Gospel that were active at the time they wrote their epistles and the crowd to whom they wrote.
The tendency, then, is to claim that one has to piece it all together into an alleged harmonized whole, mixing together ALL the elements from each of the apostles with the confused understanding that they're all speaking the same thing, but with different terms. Others claim that the works elements allegedly intermix with grace without any violation, which is itself the most irrational theory of all, casting a very dark pall upon the epistles and the men who wrote them, relegating them into the crowd of shiftless miscreants who are incapable of speaking clearly their meaning.
Peter clearly taught the Gospel given to him as the following:
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
1 Corinthians 15:1-4
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
The cognizant dissonance behind the belief that these two messages are saying the same thing, it simply does not follow when we consider this as a systematic piece:
Ephesians 2:5, 8
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, by grace ye are saved; ...
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Grace in this passage is biblically defined in this manner from Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
"pre-eminently of that kindness by which God bestow: favors even upon the ill-deserving, and grants to sinners the pardon of their offences, and bids them accept of eternal salvation through Christ:"
One cannot, therefore, EARN their salvation through the works of water baptism and repentance under the Gospel of Grace. The idea some have stated about repentance, assuming they could ever repent of all their sins, no man can do that! Nobody is that good. Peter clearly stated a WORK when referring to water baptism. Some like to claim it's the baptism of Holy Spirit is something stated nowhere in scripture that I can find, even in concept. It's a creation in the minds of men who read into scripture whatever meshes with their personal fancies.
The modus operandi is to avoid these items of discussion by parroting the usual fare of claims from other areas of scripture, therefore avoiding the key issue presented within these verses; as if they are in opposition to the other texts ripped from their contexts and sewn into the tapestry of a tattered and gaping hole gospel blanket based upon the inconsistent belief in a singular Gospel throughout.
The singular Gospel believe simply doesn't mesh with the scriptures, which is a demonstration for failing to rightly divide the word of truth.
MM
The tendency, then, is to claim that one has to piece it all together into an alleged harmonized whole, mixing together ALL the elements from each of the apostles with the confused understanding that they're all speaking the same thing, but with different terms. Others claim that the works elements allegedly intermix with grace without any violation, which is itself the most irrational theory of all, casting a very dark pall upon the epistles and the men who wrote them, relegating them into the crowd of shiftless miscreants who are incapable of speaking clearly their meaning.
Peter clearly taught the Gospel given to him as the following:
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
1 Corinthians 15:1-4
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
The cognizant dissonance behind the belief that these two messages are saying the same thing, it simply does not follow when we consider this as a systematic piece:
Ephesians 2:5, 8
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, by grace ye are saved; ...
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Grace in this passage is biblically defined in this manner from Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
"pre-eminently of that kindness by which God bestow: favors even upon the ill-deserving, and grants to sinners the pardon of their offences, and bids them accept of eternal salvation through Christ:"
One cannot, therefore, EARN their salvation through the works of water baptism and repentance under the Gospel of Grace. The idea some have stated about repentance, assuming they could ever repent of all their sins, no man can do that! Nobody is that good. Peter clearly stated a WORK when referring to water baptism. Some like to claim it's the baptism of Holy Spirit is something stated nowhere in scripture that I can find, even in concept. It's a creation in the minds of men who read into scripture whatever meshes with their personal fancies.
The modus operandi is to avoid these items of discussion by parroting the usual fare of claims from other areas of scripture, therefore avoiding the key issue presented within these verses; as if they are in opposition to the other texts ripped from their contexts and sewn into the tapestry of a tattered and gaping hole gospel blanket based upon the inconsistent belief in a singular Gospel throughout.
The singular Gospel believe simply doesn't mesh with the scriptures, which is a demonstration for failing to rightly divide the word of truth.
MM
Maybe the issue is one of semantics. Everyone has always been saved by believing what God has said. Has He approached and dealt with different cultures through times in specific ways, of course. But I think the term grace has always been involved in the way God offered eternal life, and a relationship with Him. So having a narrow view of grace may be akin to splitting hairs when it comes to how one is saved. Just my opinion.
Hi MM, I do know the sabbath command is part of the 10 commandments and from GOD's point of view should be observed. Moving the family to church should not be viewed as work, since it if for worship. Jesus condemned the pharisees and scribes on how they added to the law all sort of details that are not part of the sabbath command and the rest of the law also. please see as reference these verses below;
Seven Woes to the Scribes and Pharisees
Mat 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Mat 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
Mat 23:6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
Mat 23:7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Mat 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
Mat 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
Mat 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Mat 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Mat 23:16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
Mat 23:17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
Mat 23:18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
Mat 23:19 Ye fools and blind: for whether isgreater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
Mat 23:20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
Mat 23:21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
Mat 23:22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Mat 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Mat 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of deadmen's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Mat 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Mat 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
Mat 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Mat 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
Mat 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Mat 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: andsome of them ye shall kill and crucify; andsome of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
as for moving the family to church, One should prepare everything in advance before the sabbath, clothing car, etc...
Jesus, James Paul quoted the commandments
In matthew 19;
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother, and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."
Romans 13:8-10 (KJV): "Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."
it is true that Paul for example did not say to observe the sabbath per say but it is in book of Acts that they kept the sabbath, what better way to show that this commandment is valid then by observing it. Jesus observed also so did the disciples.
JFF
Seven Woes to the Scribes and Pharisees
Mat 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Mat 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
Mat 23:6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
Mat 23:7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Mat 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
Mat 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
Mat 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Mat 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Mat 23:16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
Mat 23:17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
Mat 23:18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
Mat 23:19 Ye fools and blind: for whether isgreater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
Mat 23:20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
Mat 23:21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
Mat 23:22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Mat 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Mat 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of deadmen's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Mat 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Mat 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
Mat 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Mat 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
Mat 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Mat 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: andsome of them ye shall kill and crucify; andsome of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
as for moving the family to church, One should prepare everything in advance before the sabbath, clothing car, etc...
Jesus, James Paul quoted the commandments
In matthew 19;
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother, and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."
Romans 13:8-10 (KJV): "Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."
it is true that Paul for example did not say to observe the sabbath per say but it is in book of Acts that they kept the sabbath, what better way to show that this commandment is valid then by observing it. Jesus observed also so did the disciples.
JFF
This did occur to me, which is why I launched out into a search for all the uses for the term "grace" in the Gospels and in the epistles of the apostles, and grace is never directly associated with the concept of salvation in any of those places other than Paul's declarations for salvation under the Gospel of Grace. Grace is a very specific and precise term used to describe the basis for our salvation in contrast to what was before the Gospel of Grace, and what follows after this Gospel is completed and removed from this earth.
So, if indeed it were merely a matter of semantics, that should be more apparent, but the text doesn't lead us in that direction dare we consider the distinctives of water baptism and repentance, with Paul only referencing water baptism in the early part of his ministry, but later not at all, and never with water baptism as a central feature for remission of sins.
That was a worthy question, however. Thanks.
MM
So, if indeed it were merely a matter of semantics, that should be more apparent, but the text doesn't lead us in that direction dare we consider the distinctives of water baptism and repentance, with Paul only referencing water baptism in the early part of his ministry, but later not at all, and never with water baptism as a central feature for remission of sins.
That was a worthy question, however. Thanks.
MM
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Getting ready for churchianity is indeed works-based if the sabbath observance is thrown into the mix. The sabbath observance forbade that level of work in that day...if Sunday is your sabbath.
All who believe that works of the Law will assure salvation and/or supplement it, then go for it. I'm not here to take away from anyone the dogmas they choose to hold near and dear. I may argue against legalism like yours, but I will also defend your right to believe what you choose to believe at the exclusion of argumentation to the contrary.
The Gospel of Grace does not point to the Law, and especially the Sabbath, but you choose to keep that feature in your belief system in relation to your own salvation, and if you stay that course, then you will find out what it will ever get for you in the end...if anything.
Go for it, and with gusto, for you will need superhuman gusto for works to ever amount to anything other than reward, and observances may or may not earn any rewards at all.
MM
All who believe that works of the Law will assure salvation and/or supplement it, then go for it. I'm not here to take away from anyone the dogmas they choose to hold near and dear. I may argue against legalism like yours, but I will also defend your right to believe what you choose to believe at the exclusion of argumentation to the contrary.
The Gospel of Grace does not point to the Law, and especially the Sabbath, but you choose to keep that feature in your belief system in relation to your own salvation, and if you stay that course, then you will find out what it will ever get for you in the end...if anything.
Go for it, and with gusto, for you will need superhuman gusto for works to ever amount to anything other than reward, and observances may or may not earn any rewards at all.
MM
The gospel taught by the apostles is what Jesus preached, all of which was not focused upon the cross and the shed Blood. The apostles, when preaching the Gospel during Jesus' ministry never said one word about the coming crucifixion and resurrection, for they knew nothing about that, and were even afraid to ask about it when Jesus spoke it to them directly.
When Peter and Stephen spoke of the crucifixion of Christ, it was initially framed within the context of accusation against Israel and the religious elite. The mystery of the body of Christ, not revealed to any man until Paul, was the very thing that would have kept Satan from seeking the crucifixion, as the scriptures declare. Recall how amazed the apostles were to hear that Gentiles were being saved and filled with Holy Spirit apart from having to become Jews, as was true before the inception of the Gospel of Grace.
The Kingdom Gospel did not present the sealing of Holy Spirit unto salvation, where the Gospel of Grace did and does. Those under that Gospel were stuck with receiving ultimate salvation at the end of their lives so long as they persevered unto that end, just as Jesus declared in Matthew 24. That is the nature of the Kingdom Gospel in contrast to the nature of the Gospel of Grace.
Does that help?
MM
When Peter and Stephen spoke of the crucifixion of Christ, it was initially framed within the context of accusation against Israel and the religious elite. The mystery of the body of Christ, not revealed to any man until Paul, was the very thing that would have kept Satan from seeking the crucifixion, as the scriptures declare. Recall how amazed the apostles were to hear that Gentiles were being saved and filled with Holy Spirit apart from having to become Jews, as was true before the inception of the Gospel of Grace.
The Kingdom Gospel did not present the sealing of Holy Spirit unto salvation, where the Gospel of Grace did and does. Those under that Gospel were stuck with receiving ultimate salvation at the end of their lives so long as they persevered unto that end, just as Jesus declared in Matthew 24. That is the nature of the Kingdom Gospel in contrast to the nature of the Gospel of Grace.
Does that help?
MM
Galatians 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Now, if they were one and the same Gospel, then who are they identified by differing designations as to whom they were addressed...to whom they were written? If they were one and the same Gospel, then Paul would certainly have stated that the one, singular Gospel preached to both, the circumcision and the uncircumcision. Some have claimed that's precisely what Paul is saying here...once again demonstrating cognitive dissonance in an ability to read the text for what it says.
Paul did not say the Gospel TO the circumcision and to the uncircumcision, but OF the circumcision and that Gospel OF the uncircumcision.
What does UN mean? NOT. So UNcircumcision are those who are NOT circumcised.
That some will go to such irrational ends to try and make something into what it is not, the process is staggering. A locked mindset at the exclusion of what's actually stated in the texts one claims to believe...that makes no rational sense to me.
MM
Now, if they were one and the same Gospel, then who are they identified by differing designations as to whom they were addressed...to whom they were written? If they were one and the same Gospel, then Paul would certainly have stated that the one, singular Gospel preached to both, the circumcision and the uncircumcision. Some have claimed that's precisely what Paul is saying here...once again demonstrating cognitive dissonance in an ability to read the text for what it says.
Paul did not say the Gospel TO the circumcision and to the uncircumcision, but OF the circumcision and that Gospel OF the uncircumcision.
What does UN mean? NOT. So UNcircumcision are those who are NOT circumcised.
That some will go to such irrational ends to try and make something into what it is not, the process is staggering. A locked mindset at the exclusion of what's actually stated in the texts one claims to believe...that makes no rational sense to me.
MM
That's a good question, and Mark gives to us a very good answer from the Lord Himself right before His ascention:
Mark 16:16-18
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
If we today were under that same Gospel, then we ALL would be doing all those things because Jesus did not utter one word about those things coming to an end...IF we are to take ONLY what Jesus stated. Jesus also, in His parting words, did not state that they were to preach about His crucifixion, burial and subsequent resurrection after three days, according to the scriptures.
Do you see that, folks? NOTHING about the cross. Some have crammed meaning into the belief aspect their own thinking, but the Greek shows to us ONLY to have faith in Christ, to believe. Jesus did not define anything as an addition to that faith to include the elements of His death, burial and resurrection. Men force that into the text by pointing to what did happen, and yet Jesus Himself said nothing about that as the defining element for belief in Him. In Him as, what? That He is Messiah. THAT is what He wanted us Israelites to believe...that He is the Christ, the Son of God, just as Peter had confessed and was blessed for confessing.
It was not until Paul that belief in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ became the conduit through which the free gift of the GRACE of God through faith is bestowed upon the new believer without having to become a Jew, as was the case under the Kingdome Gospel. Grace alone is the power through which the body of Christ was formed and established. The Gospel of Grace applies to both Jew and Gentile, with us all being indistinguishable in the body of Christ that was the mystery hidden from ALL of mankind, including Satan and his princes and lower level angels, and even the angels of God.
So, yes, as previously stated, Jesus preached the same Gospel that was preached by the eleven. There could not be any difference until the mystery was revealed through Paul.
I hope that answers your inquiry.
MM
Mark 16:16-18
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
If we today were under that same Gospel, then we ALL would be doing all those things because Jesus did not utter one word about those things coming to an end...IF we are to take ONLY what Jesus stated. Jesus also, in His parting words, did not state that they were to preach about His crucifixion, burial and subsequent resurrection after three days, according to the scriptures.
Do you see that, folks? NOTHING about the cross. Some have crammed meaning into the belief aspect their own thinking, but the Greek shows to us ONLY to have faith in Christ, to believe. Jesus did not define anything as an addition to that faith to include the elements of His death, burial and resurrection. Men force that into the text by pointing to what did happen, and yet Jesus Himself said nothing about that as the defining element for belief in Him. In Him as, what? That He is Messiah. THAT is what He wanted us Israelites to believe...that He is the Christ, the Son of God, just as Peter had confessed and was blessed for confessing.
It was not until Paul that belief in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ became the conduit through which the free gift of the GRACE of God through faith is bestowed upon the new believer without having to become a Jew, as was the case under the Kingdome Gospel. Grace alone is the power through which the body of Christ was formed and established. The Gospel of Grace applies to both Jew and Gentile, with us all being indistinguishable in the body of Christ that was the mystery hidden from ALL of mankind, including Satan and his princes and lower level angels, and even the angels of God.
So, yes, as previously stated, Jesus preached the same Gospel that was preached by the eleven. There could not be any difference until the mystery was revealed through Paul.
I hope that answers your inquiry.
MM