Scripture itself can be complicated Snoozy.. do you understand everything it teaches? Did you not have someone explain it to you, either verbally or in Writing? Yes I understand that no one can understand scripture without the Holy Spirit, but that does not mean that every topic is as easy to understand as others? Nor does it mean men with their own single translation, that's how we end up with cults.
2 Peter 3:16
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
You say if you just pick up the bible you don't need the doctrines of grace - It would be more correct to say that when you read the scriptures from Gen to Rev the Doctrines of Grace jump from every page!
2 Peter 3:16
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
You say if you just pick up the bible you don't need the doctrines of grace - It would be more correct to say that when you read the scriptures from Gen to Rev the Doctrines of Grace jump from every page!
i just said that often times we just make it more complicated by more books. like the trinity is this huge theological nightmare people debate over. when the bible uses simple language to describe the Godhead.
now we have creeds like begotten not made and stuff which is no where in the bible. we talk about persons and essences and all that stuff. its just weird.
i like how simply the bible puts it.
that was kind of the point of my message when johny mentioned the lack of arminian books and how calvinists have books. its cause the two wills and two decrees and two of everything is so difficult to understand that u need books longer than the bible to get it.
i dont know how long the potter's freedom is but if its not that long i'll probably read it since im kinda interested in this topic. i think both sides are wrong on some things and right on others.
but depleted (a fellow chatter here) posted one of those soteriology charts and what i believe lined up with the calvinist one, which is crazy cause i never considered myself a calvinist.