The Heresy of Annihilationism
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I agree.
The thing I see and want others to see if possible, is that some verses are describing dead men as they were before Jesus' resurrection (sleeping), some verses describe dead men after Jesus' resurrection (aware, conscious), some verses describe dead men in hell before hell is thrown in the lake of fire, and some verses describe dead men after being thrown in the lake of fire.
I think it's important to (if possible) try to ascertain which is which.
It also is never strictly and plainly said that anyone but the unholy trinity will be in torment night and day forever and ever.
Of the humans thrown in the lake of fire, it is only said they also have a part in the lake and this is the second death.
And oddly, God said death in the beginning and satan said, oh no, you wont really die, and the same thing is being repeated here again when God says second death - they are saying, oh no, you wont really die but will live forever. (In torment).
The thing I see and want others to see if possible, is that some verses are describing dead men as they were before Jesus' resurrection (sleeping), some verses describe dead men after Jesus' resurrection (aware, conscious), some verses describe dead men in hell before hell is thrown in the lake of fire, and some verses describe dead men after being thrown in the lake of fire.
I think it's important to (if possible) try to ascertain which is which.
It also is never strictly and plainly said that anyone but the unholy trinity will be in torment night and day forever and ever.
Of the humans thrown in the lake of fire, it is only said they also have a part in the lake and this is the second death.
And oddly, God said death in the beginning and satan said, oh no, you wont really die, and the same thing is being repeated here again when God says second death - they are saying, oh no, you wont really die but will live forever. (In torment).
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Actually...he doesn't believe a mortal sinner is given the gift of eternal life...he believes the sinner is born eternally alive already...but then there's being born again and receiving Gods' Spirit, but Gods' Spirit does not give a man immortality because he already had immortality before he received Gods' Spirit...
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you jumped in , without reading the whole conversation,
and in a way accussed me of saying you denied the trinity
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...biblical-holidays.177529/page-11#post-3631690
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...biblical-holidays.177529/page-11#post-3631676
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...biblical-holidays.177529/page-12#post-3631702
and in a way accussed me of saying you denied the trinity
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...biblical-holidays.177529/page-11#post-3631690
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...biblical-holidays.177529/page-11#post-3631676
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...biblical-holidays.177529/page-12#post-3631702
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Now that I looked at what was said you I think misunderstood my comment The person who mentiond
my comment was misplaced I was speaking to gb9 I clearly posted in the wrong location I will ask you to forgive my mistake. As you look it was gb9 who brought up the trinity not you. three conversions going on wit you & gb9 you and I and jermiah and me .
my comment was misplaced I was speaking to gb9 I clearly posted in the wrong location I will ask you to forgive my mistake. As you look it was gb9 who brought up the trinity not you. three conversions going on wit you & gb9 you and I and jermiah and me .
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I am baffled by this whole conversation for the very same reason. Everyone is assuming everyone else is either agreeing or disagreeing with them, but I'm stuck thinking, what is anyone saying?
I do believe there is Hell just as much as I believe there is Heaven. But I know about as much about Hell as Heaven for the same reason. Every explanation of either location in the Bible tries to make some place completely alien to anyone on earth understandable to people who haven't been to either place. It would be easier to understand what the dark side of the moon is like because at least someone has been to the light side of the moon to hazard a guess.
And yet, you all seem to be arguing things we mere humans will never fully comprehend until we get there, as if the destination is the ultimate reason we're leading our lives in this way.
It's not the reason we are. And if it is the reason, then there is a much bigger problem than if there is a hell to face.
Is there no room for "we can't possibly understand it, however I think.... What do you think?"
A meeting of the minds, instead of a digging in of the heels.
I do believe there is Hell just as much as I believe there is Heaven. But I know about as much about Hell as Heaven for the same reason. Every explanation of either location in the Bible tries to make some place completely alien to anyone on earth understandable to people who haven't been to either place. It would be easier to understand what the dark side of the moon is like because at least someone has been to the light side of the moon to hazard a guess.
And yet, you all seem to be arguing things we mere humans will never fully comprehend until we get there, as if the destination is the ultimate reason we're leading our lives in this way.
It's not the reason we are. And if it is the reason, then there is a much bigger problem than if there is a hell to face.
Is there no room for "we can't possibly understand it, however I think.... What do you think?"
A meeting of the minds, instead of a digging in of the heels.
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Well, that's rare in here to see a man say, oops, I made a mistake, I'm sorry. 
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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well the issue is what the word of God says about the context of hell and what it means if hell is not as Jesus said it would be.
That is very important Jesus said hell is place of eternal torment . IF that is not the case and I just cease to exist, and can live my life on earth as I please and when I die if I am not saved I just cease to exist . That is not Biblical it is error and it is not truth. The position is not one of compromise and WE do know what Jesus has said about . Those who hold to the annihilationism error a void the very words of Christ. they allegorize them, or dismiss them wit " it was parable" or use one word wagon circling to prove biblical context. that is error.
That is very important Jesus said hell is place of eternal torment . IF that is not the case and I just cease to exist, and can live my life on earth as I please and when I die if I am not saved I just cease to exist . That is not Biblical it is error and it is not truth. The position is not one of compromise and WE do know what Jesus has said about . Those who hold to the annihilationism error a void the very words of Christ. they allegorize them, or dismiss them wit " it was parable" or use one word wagon circling to prove biblical context. that is error.
I will try to unconfused you but not sure it will work.
The core of the debate centers on whether or not men are born immortal.
Because in order to be eternally tormented, a man would have to BE eternal.
The core of the debate centers on whether or not men are born immortal.
Because in order to be eternally tormented, a man would have to BE eternal.
The body is mortal the soul is not.
For the cause of Christ
Roger