The Holy Ghost is The Father of Jesus Christ
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I did not say that please read what I said I shall try to speak even more clearly The God Head is a Mystery
1cor 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. we have limited Revelation because we are not able to fully understand all God is at once . Yes the Holy Spirit has the Mind of God but also has Orders too Jesus said in Gospel of John 14: 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. that is the Job of what the Holy Spirit i is to dos to do but because you have not yet received glorification your mind could not handle all that God knows so the Holy Spirit provides what you need as you need it. Now I will not as you did, suggest I do not have the Holy Spirit indwell-ed but I will say or ask Did not the Holy Spirit Lead you to John 14:26 and 1 cor 13:12 ?
1cor 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. we have limited Revelation because we are not able to fully understand all God is at once . Yes the Holy Spirit has the Mind of God but also has Orders too Jesus said in Gospel of John 14: 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. that is the Job of what the Holy Spirit i is to dos to do but because you have not yet received glorification your mind could not handle all that God knows so the Holy Spirit provides what you need as you need it. Now I will not as you did, suggest I do not have the Holy Spirit indwell-ed but I will say or ask Did not the Holy Spirit Lead you to John 14:26 and 1 cor 13:12 ?
He passed from the level of using the dictionary to see the meaning of words like "fear", to the level of reading and making sentences with the words he recently learned. So far, his sentences only make sense for him. I think we should give him more time and he should spend more time reading and refrain from posting (although I wouldn't bet on this capacity of his to refrain from posting).
lol why only those who don't know,
suggest other are lacking what they say God has showed them exclusively. it is eltizing of scriptures to make one's self look more spiritual and prey on the unlearned as if they were really learned, they would be used to lift up, comfort and exhort. But they are not. so this is how one tells if their Teaching are from God; does it bring attention to them or the Word of God ?
This shows me that Christ was present for creation and creation was by him, for him, created through him, and all things within creation hold together because of him. I'm not real sure what the topic of this thread is trying to prove, but Christ as the Word was present since before time even existed.
One way I tried to rationalize the Trinity concept in my own mind before was like this (and this is entirely my speculation and may not be true): God is the invisible Spirit, perpetually existing. Christ is called the "Word" all throughout scripture. I picture God as the "mind" and Christ is the literal spoken Word of God put in flesh (Body). Therefore they are separate but the same. Christ speaks what the Father tells him because he is God's literal words personified literally. Then there is the Holy Ghost (the spirit). With all three you get mind, body and spirit.
We see all three present in the first 3 verses of the bible:
I don't know how far off I am with this because the Trinity doctrine has always been pretty much out of my reach (hard for me to grasp in any intellectual sense), but this is what I get from scripture regarding it.
One way I tried to rationalize the Trinity concept in my own mind before was like this (and this is entirely my speculation and may not be true): God is the invisible Spirit, perpetually existing. Christ is called the "Word" all throughout scripture. I picture God as the "mind" and Christ is the literal spoken Word of God put in flesh (Body). Therefore they are separate but the same. Christ speaks what the Father tells him because he is God's literal words personified literally. Then there is the Holy Ghost (the spirit). With all three you get mind, body and spirit.
We see all three present in the first 3 verses of the bible:
I don't know how far off I am with this because the Trinity doctrine has always been pretty much out of my reach (hard for me to grasp in any intellectual sense), but this is what I get from scripture regarding it.
True. For the Holy Ghost is God's Spirit.
Also, keep in mind that the Son of God, the God-man Jesus, was the "Word," which was with God from the beginning.
The Word Became Flesh
John 1:1-13
[SUP]1[/SUP]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.[SUP]2 [/SUP]He [Jesus] was with God in the beginning.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Through him [Jesus] all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him [Jesus] was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. [SUP]5 [/SUP]The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]There was a man sent from God whose name was John [the one who baptized.] [SUP]7 [/SUP]He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him [Jesus] all might believe. [SUP]8 [/SUP]He himself [John] was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. [SUP]10 [/SUP]He [Jesus] was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. [SUP]11 [/SUP]He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his [Jesus'] name, he gave the right to become children of God— [SUP]13 [/SUP]children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
To all readers:
Have you been born again?
If not, believe in his [Jesus'] name and become a child of God today!
God bless you,
Joseph
Also, keep in mind that the Son of God, the God-man Jesus, was the "Word," which was with God from the beginning.
The Word Became Flesh
John 1:1-13
[SUP]1[/SUP]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.[SUP]2 [/SUP]He [Jesus] was with God in the beginning.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Through him [Jesus] all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him [Jesus] was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. [SUP]5 [/SUP]The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]There was a man sent from God whose name was John [the one who baptized.] [SUP]7 [/SUP]He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him [Jesus] all might believe. [SUP]8 [/SUP]He himself [John] was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. [SUP]10 [/SUP]He [Jesus] was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. [SUP]11 [/SUP]He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his [Jesus'] name, he gave the right to become children of God— [SUP]13 [/SUP]children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
To all readers:
Have you been born again?
If not, believe in his [Jesus'] name and become a child of God today!
God bless you,
Joseph
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I do not know how fR DOWN YOU HAVE WENT ForthAngel but you only have to look at the Q?
Do you believe God is a Spirit?
If you say yes,
then I will ask you
do you believe
God is a Holy Spirit?
If you say yes then I will
Ask you do you believe
The Holy Spirit is God?
Well?
Do you believe the Holy Spirit is God?
Yes or no?
the Q? that is asked by JackHammer appears to be one of human reason and not of sound biblical application nor interpretation. The Bible is Clear on the "GodHead" and the Eternal existence of Christ. But we cannot fully understand the Full Nature of God or of the GodHead. It is a Mystery we only know as the Word of god has shown us 1, and through our personal relationship with the Lord Jesus.
I do not know how fR DOWN YOU HAVE WENT ForthAngel but you only have to look at the Q?
Originally Posted by JackHammer
Do you believe God is a Spirit?
If you say yes,
then I will ask you
do you believe
God is a Holy Spirit?
If you say yes then I will
Ask you do you believe
The Holy Spirit is God?
Well?
Do you believe the Holy Spirit is God?
Yes or no?
the Q? that is asked by JackHammer appears to be one of human reason and not of sound biblical application nor interpretation. The Bible is Clear on the "GodHead" and the Eternal existence of Christ. But we cannot fully understand the Full Nature of God or of the GodHead. It is a Mystery we only know as the Word of god has shown us 1, and through our personal relationship with the Lord Jesus.
Do you believe God is a Spirit?
If you say yes,
then I will ask you
do you believe
God is a Holy Spirit?
If you say yes then I will
Ask you do you believe
The Holy Spirit is God?
Well?
Do you believe the Holy Spirit is God?
Yes or no?
the Q? that is asked by JackHammer appears to be one of human reason and not of sound biblical application nor interpretation. The Bible is Clear on the "GodHead" and the Eternal existence of Christ. But we cannot fully understand the Full Nature of God or of the GodHead. It is a Mystery we only know as the Word of god has shown us 1, and through our personal relationship with the Lord Jesus.
Would the rocks be the fathers of those created from them? It's a silly question.
God is God, The Holy Spirit is God. And Christ is God. Simple.
J
False.
The Holy Ghost is NOT "God the Father of Jesus Christ". Christ Himself said:
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." (John 14:26)
Again:
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:" (John 15:26)
The Holy Ghost is sent from the Father and proceeds from the Father, but the Holy Ghost is NOT the Father.
The Holy Ghost is NOT "God the Father of Jesus Christ". Christ Himself said:
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." (John 14:26)
Again:
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:" (John 15:26)
The Holy Ghost is sent from the Father and proceeds from the Father, but the Holy Ghost is NOT the Father.
