The Holy Ghost is The Father of Jesus Christ

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p_rehbein

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Do you believe God is a Spirit?

If you say yes,

then I will ask you

do you believe

God is a Holy Spirit?

If you say yes then I will

Ask you do you believe

The Holy Spirit is God?

Well?

Do you believe the Holy Spirit is God?

Yes or no?
.............and, so he reveals he was just playing word games all along.........is anyone surprised?
 

CS1

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Why do you believe that someone
with the indwelling of the Holy Ghost cannot fully understand what the Spirit of truth taught them?

I think it is because you do not have the indwelling of the Holy Ghost.

Am I right?
I did not say that please read what I said I shall try to speak even more clearly The God Head is a Mystery

1cor 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. we have limited Revelation because we are not able to fully understand all God is at once . Yes the Holy Spirit has the Mind of God but also has Orders too Jesus said in Gospel of John 14: 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. that is the Job of what the Holy Spirit i is to dos to do but because you have not yet received glorification your mind could not handle all that God knows so the Holy Spirit provides what you need as you need it. Now I will not as you did, suggest I do not have the Holy Spirit indwell-ed but I will say or ask Did not the Holy Spirit Lead you to John 14:26 and 1 cor 13:12 ?
 

GuessWho

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Funny..............as I read your comments, I see how child like they are in the understanding of Scripture..........and I see, by reading the above, that you understood no better than the Author of the OP the statements of others here.......

Go in peace...........
He passed from the level of using the dictionary to see the meaning of words like "fear", to the level of reading and making sentences with the words he recently learned. So far, his sentences only make sense for him. I think we should give him more time and he should spend more time reading and refrain from posting (although I wouldn't bet on this capacity of his to refrain from posting).
 

p_rehbein

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He passed from the level of using the dictionary to see the meaning of words like "fear", to the level of reading and making sentences with the words he recently learned. So far, his sentences only make sense for him. I think we should give him more time and he should spend more time reading and refrain from posting (although I wouldn't bet on this capacity of his to refrain from posting).

Actually, I like your comment, and you may well be right..........given that, I will go in peace, and leave it to others to keep a watchful eye over the Faith.
 

CS1

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Frankly, I'm shocked

lol why only those who don't know,
suggest other are lacking what they say God has showed them exclusively. it is eltizing of scriptures to make one's self look more spiritual and prey on the unlearned as if they were really learned, they would be used to lift up, comfort and exhort. But they are not. so this is how one tells if their Teaching are from God; does it bring attention to them or the Word of God ?
 

ForthAngel

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[SUP]Colossians
15 [/SUP]He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. [SUP]18 [/SUP]And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, [SUP]20 [/SUP]and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.
This shows me that Christ was present for creation and creation was by him, for him, created through him, and all things within creation hold together because of him. I'm not real sure what the topic of this thread is trying to prove, but Christ as the Word was present since before time even existed.

One way I tried to rationalize the Trinity concept in my own mind before was like this (and this is entirely my speculation and may not be true): God is the invisible Spirit, perpetually existing. Christ is called the "Word" all throughout scripture. I picture God as the "mind" and Christ is the literal spoken Word of God put in flesh (Body). Therefore they are separate but the same. Christ speaks what the Father tells him because he is God's literal words personified literally. Then there is the Holy Ghost (the spirit). With all three you get mind, body and spirit.

We see all three present in the first 3 verses of the bible:

Genesis 1 English Standard Version (ESV)
The Creation of the World

1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
I don't know how far off I am with this because the Trinity doctrine has always been pretty much out of my reach (hard for me to grasp in any intellectual sense), but this is what I get from scripture regarding it.
 

1joseph

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Matthew 1:18
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Luke 1:35
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

As you can read in the bible it is written that the Holy Ghost is God the Father of Jesus Christ.
True. For the Holy Ghost is God's Spirit.

Also, keep in mind that the Son of God, the God-man Jesus, was the "Word," which was with God from the beginning.

The Word Became Flesh

John 1:1-13
[SUP]1[/SUP]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.[SUP]2 [/SUP]He [Jesus] was with God in the beginning.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Through him [Jesus] all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him [Jesus] was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. [SUP]5 [/SUP]The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]There was a man sent from God whose name was John [the one who baptized.] [SUP]7 [/SUP]He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him [Jesus] all might believe. [SUP]8 [/SUP]He himself [John] was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. [SUP]10 [/SUP]He [Jesus] was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. [SUP]11 [/SUP]He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his [Jesus'] name, he gave the right to become children of God— [SUP]13 [/SUP]children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

To all readers:
Have you been born again?
If not, believe in his [Jesus'] name and become a child of God today!

God bless you,
Joseph

 
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CS1

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This shows me that Christ was present for creation and creation was by him, for him, created through him, and all things within creation hold together because of him. I'm not real sure what the topic of this thread is trying to prove, but Christ as the Word was present since before time even existed.

One way I tried to rationalize the Trinity concept in my own mind before was like this (and this is entirely my speculation and may not be true): God is the invisible Spirit, perpetually existing. Christ is called the "Word" all throughout scripture. I picture God as the "mind" and Christ is the literal spoken Word of God put in flesh (Body). Therefore they are separate but the same. Christ speaks what the Father tells him because he is God's literal words personified literally. Then there is the Holy Ghost (the spirit). With all three you get mind, body and spirit.

We see all three present in the first 3 verses of the bible:



I don't know how far off I am with this because the Trinity doctrine has always been pretty much out of my reach (hard for me to grasp in any intellectual sense), but this is what I get from scripture regarding it.

I do not know how fR DOWN YOU HAVE WENT ForthAngel but you only have to look at the Q?

Originally Posted by JackHammer

Do you believe God is a Spirit?

If you say yes,

then I will ask you

do you believe

God is a Holy Spirit?

If you say yes then I will

Ask you do you believe

The Holy Spirit is God?

Well?

Do you believe the Holy Spirit is God?

Yes or no?


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he Q? that is asked by JackHammer appears to be one of human reason and not of sound biblical application nor interpretation. The Bible is Clear on the "GodHead" and the Eternal existence of Christ. But we cannot fully understand the Full Nature of God or of the GodHead. It is a Mystery we only know as the Word of god has shown us 1, and through our personal relationship with the Lord Jesus.
 

Galatians2-20

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The Holy Spirit did not provide the seed from which Christ was concieved, the Holy Spirit was the seed. ;)
 

ForthAngel

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I do not know how fR DOWN YOU HAVE WENT ForthAngel but you only have to look at the Q?

Originally Posted by JackHammer

Do you believe God is a Spirit?

If you say yes,

then I will ask you

do you believe

God is a Holy Spirit?

If you say yes then I will

Ask you do you believe

The Holy Spirit is God?

Well?

Do you believe the Holy Spirit is God?

Yes or no?


t
he Q? that is asked by JackHammer appears to be one of human reason and not of sound biblical application nor interpretation. The Bible is Clear on the "GodHead" and the Eternal existence of Christ. But we cannot fully understand the Full Nature of God or of the GodHead. It is a Mystery we only know as the Word of god has shown us 1, and through our personal relationship with the Lord Jesus.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham.

Would the rocks be the fathers of those created from them? It's a silly question.

God is God, The Holy Spirit is God. And Christ is God. Simple.
 

CS1

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[SUP]9 [/SUP]And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham.

Would the rocks be the fathers of those created from them? It's a silly question.
lol hahahah
 
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urual

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Holy Ghost and Christ are one...Christ simple mean Anointed...1 john 5 v 7 confirmed that there are three who bear record in heave.the Father,the word and the Holy Ghost and these three are one....
 
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LOL PLAYING MIND GAMES WITH MYSELF AWESOME. I will have fun until Hadaza comes online.
 

CS1

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Holy Ghost and Christ are one...Christ simple mean Anointed...1 john 5 v 7 confirmed that there are three who bear record in heave.the Father,the word and the Holy Ghost and these three are one....
actually the verse you used 1 John 5:7 some will argue it was not in the original translation Poxa roma . but the context of the verse as you used it is three distinct separate but one. The Father, Spirit of God ,and Christ " word as it is in the Gospel of john chapter one
 
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JesusistheChrist

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JackHammer said:
Matthew 1:18
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Luke 1:35
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

As you can read in the bible it is written that the Holy Ghost is God the Father of Jesus Christ.
True. For the Holy Ghost is God's Spirit.
False.

The Holy Ghost is NOT "God the Father of Jesus Christ". Christ Himself said:

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." (John 14:26)

Again:

"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:" (John 15:26)

The Holy Ghost is sent from the Father and proceeds from the Father, but the Holy Ghost is NOT the Father.
 

CS1

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this is the mystery of the Godhead. and because 3-1 doesn't satisfy ones human intellect does not reduce anything God said about the Holy Spirit of what Christ Has said about the Holy Spirit and the personification of all three yet one.
 
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JesusistheChrist

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this is the mystery of the Godhead. and because 3-1 doesn't satisfy ones human intellect does not reduce anything God said about the Holy Spirit of what Christ Has said about the Holy Spirit and the personification of all three yet one.
Methinks that you don't understand what "one" means...
 

CS1

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it really DOESN'T MATTER what you or i think it only matters what the Word of God sayes about the topic of the Godhead. which you nor I fully understand that much I do know
 

ISeeYou

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Why isnt the seven eyes on one stone used as the fulness?