THE HOLY SPIRIT AND THE CHURCH WILL BE TAKEN OUT BEFORE ANTICHRIST COMES

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ib4gzus

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THE ANTICHRIST
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
Paul continues to explain who this son of perdition is, continuing and saying: For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only He who now letteth will let, until He be taken out of the way. There it is, He who let's is the Holy Ghost, read it like this: For the mysterious work of satan, the work of iniquity is already going on: only He ( THE HOLY SPIRIT) who now let's it happen, will continue to allow it to happen, until He be taken out of the way.

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming: (2 Thessolonians 2:1-8)

The Holy Spirit is now on earth, within the very body of those who are God's Saved. God restrains satan from doing the evil he would like to do. But, once the Lord has had enough, once the people of earth have reached the point where the Lord washes His holy and incorruptible hands of humanity, He gathers His up, we call it the rapture.

In gathering us up, He also recalls The Holy Ghost, who dwells within us, leaving absolutely no restraint on satan.
(PRAISE GOD I WON'T BE HERE WHEN THAT HAPPENS.)

The Church And The Holy Spirit Must Be Removed From The World Before the Tribulation Begins!

Let me say that the Church (all believers) MUST be removed from the world before any of this can happen. 2nd Thessalonians 2:3-10 clearly tells us that the Antichrist (man of sin) cannot be revealed on earth until the Church is removed from the world. 2nd Thessalonians 2:7-9 state... "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders." It's as obvious as can be to any genuine believer, who is familiar with the Word of God, who "He"
in verse 7 is referring to...
the Holy Spirit of God!
Jesus said in John 16:8 concerning the Holy Spirit... "And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment."
Where does the Word of God say that the Holy Spirit lives?
1st Corinthians 3:16 says...
"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"
Are you starting to get the picture?
The Antichrist doesn't stand a chance with
Christians in the world,
because with the help of The Holy Spirit,
we will EXPOSE him, just as we do
other servants of Satan
Wake up Christians! Time is short!
The Devil is at your front door!

2nd Thessalonians 2:7 is CONCREATE PROOF that the Rapture must precede the Tribulation!

There can be NO other Person for "He" than the Holy Spirit.
Also, the events surrounding the Second Coming of Christ
are TOTALLY DIFFERENT with the events concerning the Rapture--solid PROOF that the Bible teaches a Pretribulation Rapture!
Some ignorant people today are claiming that the Rapture doctrine didn't exist until recent centuries.
That is absurd!
We are reading the exact same Words of God today
which the Apostle Paul penned nearly 2,000 years ago!
IT IS MAN WHO FAILED TO RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH.
It's not a question of history,
but of faith in the precious Words of God.:) ​
 
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babyboyblue

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There are like 3 other threads right now on this same topic of Anti-Christ and tribulation and rapture. Obviously a hot topic tonight.

You know what always gets me when I read that first text you quoted? It reads that the Anti-Christ as God, sits in the temple of God Showing that he is God. He's doesn't appear to be one that violently opposes Christ, but seeks to takes to place of Christ. Seeking worship that belongs to God alone. I believe Revelation 13 also supports this when it says:

and all the world wondered after the beast. 4And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast.

I don't believe the church will be raptured away before or during the tribulation. Just as God kept Noah through the flood and Shadrach through the fiery furnace and Daniel through the Lion's den, he will keep his people through the tribulation. Doesn't the bible say that it is by tribulations we are refined as gold?

I just read 2 Thes 2:7, can't say that I agree the church will be removed. Seems Paul is talking to the church and he makes reference to another by saying "he" will be taken out of the way. If the whole body of believers were going, wouldn't Paul say "we along with he" will be taken out of the way?

Just my 2cents.
 
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MaggieMye

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Did it ever occur to you that YOU are wrong and mistaken about this? The church for 1800 years did NOT conceive or adhere to any pre trib doctrine. You need to do more research.

Maggie
 
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Deadflesh

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"... no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost." 1 Corinthians 12:3



 
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Crossfire

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babyboyblue said:
There are like 3 other threads right now on this same topic of Anti-Christ and tribulation and rapture. Obviously a hot topic tonight.

You know what always gets me when I read that first text you quoted? It reads that the Anti-Christ as God, sits in the temple of God Showing that he is God. He's doesn't appear to be one that violently opposes Christ, but seeks to takes to place of Christ. Seeking worship that belongs to God alone. I believe Revelation 13 also supports this when it says:

and all the world wondered after the beast. 4And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast.

I don't believe the church will be raptured away before or during the tribulation. Just as God kept Noah through the flood and Shadrach through the fiery furnace and Daniel through the Lion's den, he will keep his people through the tribulation. Doesn't the bible say that it is by tribulations we are refined as gold?

I just read 2 Thes 2:7, can't say that I agree the church will be removed. Seems Paul is talking to the church and he makes reference to another by saying "he" will be taken out of the way. If the whole body of believers were going, wouldn't Paul say "we along with he" will be taken out of the way?

Just my 2cents.
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I agree completely. The book of Exodus in another great example. While God's people where kept safe from God's wrath, they were in the land and did face tribulation / persecution. If you study Exodus alongside the book of Revelation, it becomes pretty obvious that certain aspects of the Exodus parallel certain aspects of the end times. If you can identify these parallels then there's a good chance that the symbolism in Exodus could help you to better understand the events in Revelation.
 
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ib4gzus said:
yes it is bibical
i wouldn't have posted it on a christian web site otherwise

im am sorry that soo many don't understand.:(
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What does Matthew 24:29-31 mean?
 
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Scotth1960

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ib4gzus said:
THE ANTICHRIST
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
Paul continues to explain who this son of perdition is, continuing and saying: For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only He who now letteth will let, until He be taken out of the way. There it is, He who let's is the Holy Ghost, read it like this: For the mysterious work of satan, the work of iniquity is already going on: only He ( THE HOLY SPIRIT) who now let's it happen, will continue to allow it to happen, until He be taken out of the way.

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming: (2 Thessolonians 2:1-8)

The Holy Spirit is now on earth, within the very body of those who are God's Saved. God restrains satan from doing the evil he would like to do. But, once the Lord has had enough, once the people of earth have reached the point where the Lord washes His holy and incorruptible hands of humanity, He gathers His up, we call it the rapture.

In gathering us up, He also recalls The Holy Ghost, who dwells within us, leaving absolutely no restraint on satan.
(PRAISE GOD I WON'T BE HERE WHEN THAT HAPPENS.)

The Church And The Holy Spirit Must Be Removed From The World Before the Tribulation Begins!

Let me say that the Church (all believers) MUST be removed from the world before any of this can happen. 2nd Thessalonians 2:3-10 clearly tells us that the Antichrist (man of sin) cannot be revealed on earth until the Church is removed from the world. 2nd Thessalonians 2:7-9 state... "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders." It's as obvious as can be to any genuine believer, who is familiar with the Word of God, who "He"
in verse 7 is referring to...
the Holy Spirit of God!
Jesus said in John 16:8 concerning the Holy Spirit... "And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment."
Where does the Word of God say that the Holy Spirit lives?
1st Corinthians 3:16 says...
"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"
Are you starting to get the picture?
The Antichrist doesn't stand a chance with
Christians in the world,
because with the help of The Holy Spirit,
we will EXPOSE him, just as we do
other servants of Satan
Wake up Christians! Time is short!
The Devil is at your front door!

2nd Thessalonians 2:7 is CONCREATE PROOF that the Rapture must precede the Tribulation!

There can be NO other Person for "He" than the Holy Spirit.
Also, the events surrounding the Second Coming of Christ
are TOTALLY DIFFERENT with the events concerning the Rapture--solid PROOF that the Bible teaches a Pretribulation Rapture!
Some ignorant people today are claiming that the Rapture doctrine didn't exist until recent centuries.
That is absurd!
We are reading the exact same Words of God today
which the Apostle Paul penned nearly 2,000 years ago!
IT IS MAN WHO FAILED TO RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH.
It's not a question of history,
but of faith in the precious Words of God.:) ​
Dear friend,
Jesus Christ said, "I will be with you always, even unto the end of the age (world)".
Jesus Christ said, "I do not pray that Thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that Thou shouldest keep them from the evil one."
These verses prove the impossibility of the Holy Spirit and the Church being taken out of the world in a so-called "rapture".
Where Christ is, the Holy Spirit is. Christ is everywhere, so it's impossible for His Spirit to be taken out of the world.
Christ didn't want to pray to take His Church out of the world before the Second Coming.
Only at the Second Coming of Christ will the Church leave the present world behind.
It is not a question of faith in the Bible, but believing in the Orthodox Christian "faith once delivered unto the Saints" (Jude 3). Any man can claim, "The Bible says" so and so, when the Bible does not say what they say that the Bible says. The Church that Christ founded does not believe in the pre-tribulation rapture, therefore it is not the truth. The Church alone is the "pillar and ground of the truth" (1 Tim. 3:15). The pre tribulation rapture of Christians is a heresy.
Truly a bad heresy. Some ignorant people today are claiming that the pre-tribulation rapture is taught in the Bible! It is not!
God bless you!
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
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texian

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Daniel 12: 7 says ""...when he shall have accomplished
to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be
finished."

The end will come at the time when the holy people are scattered.

The key question is who are the holy people in Daniel 12: 7? Do you define them by man made theology or by scripture?

But Daniel 12: 7 does not fit the end time scenario of comic book prophecy, that there is to be a one man super world political dictator who is going to come and sit in a newly re-built temple in Jerusalem and defile it. This event, for the comic book theologians, is to mark the start of the tribulation. Another part of the comic book scenario is that the dispensationalist church will be raptured off the earth right before the one man super anti-Christ appears and sits in the literal temple in Jerusalem.

So, in the comic book scenario the "holy people" are the Jews who in postponement theology are all saved and totally born again after the "church" has been raptured. If the born again Jews are to be scattered, and remember it says the power of the holy people is to be scattered, this does not fit with the dispensationalist scenario that "All Israel" shall be saved during the tribulation. Remember also that during the tribulation in the comic book scenario the 144,000, all male Jew virgins, are running around doing something. Hal Lindsay says they are 144,000 "Billy Grahams." Though the Jews as the "Holy People" may not all be in one place during the tribulation their power will not be reduced by the scattering as told in Daniel 12: 7 - in the comic book scenario.

So, the comic book theologians have to ignore Daniel 12: 7 or make up explanations about how it is fulfilled in some way that doesn't involve "All Israel shall be saved" during the tribulation.

In scripture, rather than in Comic Book Theology, Paul teaches in I Corinthians 3: 16-17 and I Corinthians 6: 19 that that the believers, those born again in Christ, are the temple. Then what he says in II Thessalonians 2: 4 is metaphor and does not talk about one guy sitting in a literal temple. If it refers to one super New World Order anti-Christ politician sitting in a literal temple, then Paul was not writing under the the Holy Spirit in either II Thessalonians 2: 4 or in I Corinthians 3: 16-17 and I Corinthians 6: 19. The Holy Spirit does not inspire contradictory doctrines.

And - the Holy Spirit is not the Restrainer of II Thessolonains 2: 7. Get a good concordance and look up texts involving the Holy Spirit and how he deals with us. He leads into the truth. The restrainer is not the Holy Spirit. Since the Holy Spirit leads into the truth, then how could a Remnant or the 144,000 operate in great faith on the earth during the very last days? And how could a comic book 144,000 of male Jewish virgins all be Hal Lindsey's "Billy Grahams" without the Holy Spirit?
 
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notIbutChrist

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ib4gzus said:
yes it is bibical
i wouldn't have posted it on a christian web site otherwise

im am sorry that soo many don't understand.:(
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The pretrib rapture is a lie created by satan it is not biblical, and you posting it on a christan site does not prove anything
 
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notIbutChrist

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Originally Posted by babyboyblue

There are like 3 other threads right now on this same topic of Anti-Christ and tribulation and rapture. Obviously a hot topic tonight.

You know what always gets me when I read that first text you quoted? It reads that the Anti-Christ as God, sits in the temple of God Showing that he is God. He's doesn't appear to be one that violently opposes Christ, but seeks to takes to place of Christ. Seeking worship that belongs to God alone. I believe Revelation 13 also supports this when it says:

and all the world wondered after the beast. 4And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast.

I don't believe the church will be raptured away before or during the tribulation. Just as God kept Noah through the flood and Shadrach through the fiery furnace and Daniel through the Lion's den, he will keep his people through the tribulation. Doesn't the bible say that it is by tribulations we are refined as gold?

I just read 2 Thes 2:7, can't say that I agree the church will be removed. Seems Paul is talking to the church and he makes reference to another by saying "he" will be taken out of the way. If the whole body of believers were going, wouldn't Paul say "we along with he" will be taken out of the way?

Just my 2cents.
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Crossfire said:
I agree completely.
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Me too....
 
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I believe post-trib rapture due to Matthew 24:29-31. What is your explanation of these verses? And I believe that what the OP is teaching is false Pre-Trib doctrine. It's blaspheme to say that the Holy Spirit will be "taken out of the way." 2 Thesalonians 2:7 does not say that this is the Holy Spirit and I believe you have a poor view of the Holy Spirit (who is God) because you say he will be "taken out of the way." My God is not taken out of the way! There is no other Scripture to say that this is the Holy Spirit. You are making a big assumption. Another thing to consider is that there are Christians in the Tribulation for sure and every Christian has the Holy Spirit in them!

Here are a few verses that prove there are Christians during the Tribulation.​

Revelation 7:3 Saying Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Because there are Christians in the Tribulation the Holy Spirit will be in those Christians. I believe it is a false doctrine to believe there are no Christians and no Holy Spirit in the Tribulation. I don't believe you have any Scriptural proof that any of that is true.
 
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Choc cupcakes jonathan bro?
 
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what would be the point of a post trib rapture? would there be any believers left alive by then?
 
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cronjecj

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fretslide said:
what would be the point of a post trib rapture? would there be any believers left alive by then?
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Matthew 24:22 (KJV)
And except those days should be shortened (Tribulation), there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
 
Katy-follower

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cronjecj said:
What does Matthew 24:29-31 mean?
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The elect mentioned in that scripture are those tribulation Saints (millions of whom will be Jews) who have chosen to follow Jesus Christ and reject the Antichrist during the tribulation. They were willing to die for their testimony to Christ and refusal to follow the Antichrist.

The church is no longer mentioned in scripture after Rev 4. So the church is not here after that time.


The movement of the Body of Christ at the rapture is from earth to heaven; at the Second Coming it is from heaven to earth. At the Second Coming, the Lord comes with His Saints. The Saints can't be raptured at the end of the tribulation period if they are already with Him...

Jude 1:14: “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints"
(Christ returns with the angels and saints. The saints can't be on earth and return with him at the same time).

1 Thess 3:13: "at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints"

Col 3:4: "When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory"

Christ has bound us to Himself so strong that we must appear with Him at the Second Coming. We are His body. Just as our physical bodies function as one, so shall the Saints (body of Christ) with Jesus at His glorious return.


If you look at passages in the bible that describe being "caught up" (raptured), there are no angels involved because there is no judgment. There can't be angels involved during a rapture event because they have no power to translate our bodies, and angels would have no need to gather our translated bodies, since believers immediately go up to Christ. The rapture is for believers only. The "gathering" described in Matthew includes angels separating both the elect and the evildoers, and the evildoers are mourning (they know it's too late and judgment is coming).
 
zone

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Katy-follower said:
The elect mentioned in that scripture are those tribulation Saints (millions of whom will be Jews) who have chosen to follow Jesus Christ and reject the Antichrist during the tribulation. They were willing to die for their testimony to Christ and refusal to follow the Antichrist.
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nah.
saints in the tribulation are saints who enter the tribulation.
they are blood-bought christians.

unbelieving jews in the trib are not saints, nor unbelieving gentiles.
the church is here, so is the Holy Spirit.

no new species of saints appears, concocted for "the return to Plan A after the Plan B church has been 'raptured'", according to dispensational scenario.
 
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