The "Impossible" Gospel
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The Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write: In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil men and imposters will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. But as for you (Timothy), continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom (her Jewish mom) you learned it, and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of His appearing and His kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the Word, be prepared in season and out of season: correct, rebuke and encourage - with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Not a new plan...
Ephesians 1:4-5 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
1 Peter 1:19-20 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Ephesians 1:4-5 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
1 Peter 1:19-20 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
I didn’t mention covenant – I was talking about the law. However, if you are interested in my view of the “old” covenant and the “new” covenant, rather than post the whole thing here, you can find it here: Covenants
It was also a thread called The New Covenant Wine Is All of God’s Word
It was also a thread called The New Covenant Wine Is All of God’s Word
The words spoken of God are the contents/wine of the covenants. I heard a preacher say once that you cannot put the new wineskins into the old wineskins. What would a person want to do that for? Where did the wine go?
Jeremiah 33:19-22
19 And the word of the LORD came unto Jeremiah, saying,
20 Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;
21 Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.
22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.
Jeremiah 33:19-22
19 And the word of the LORD came unto Jeremiah, saying,
20 Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;
21 Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.
22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.
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I understand that you were referring to the Law. The Levitical Law was used to teach obedience to the Covenant of Moses. A the time of Christ, it had become so corrupt that no one could keep it. That's why we have the New Covenant that is based on the two New Commandments. When you start corrupting them, the same thing happens. If Levitical Law had been corrupted so easily, why would God use it again?
First off, it's not the covenant of Moses.
Second, the 2 commandments of love are not new, they are the law God gave to Moses and not Moses' ideas.
Third, the Levitical law was the physical foreshadowing of what Jesus fulfilled and now is understood spiritually because Jesus was/is the final sacrifice. We are to continue in presenting our bodies as a living sacrifice unto God which is reasonable.
I'll quote some of the spiritual instructions of love from the law so we can learn how to love God's way and not our own way.
Deuteronomy 6:1-6
1 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
2 That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
3 Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
Leviticus 19:11-18
11 Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.
12 And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
13 Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
14 Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD. 17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18 Thou shalt not avenge , nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
There is nothing new about these laws even though we live in a much different culture.
Second, the 2 commandments of love are not new, they are the law God gave to Moses and not Moses' ideas.
Third, the Levitical law was the physical foreshadowing of what Jesus fulfilled and now is understood spiritually because Jesus was/is the final sacrifice. We are to continue in presenting our bodies as a living sacrifice unto God which is reasonable.
I'll quote some of the spiritual instructions of love from the law so we can learn how to love God's way and not our own way.
Deuteronomy 6:1-6
1 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
2 That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
3 Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
Leviticus 19:11-18
11 Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.
12 And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
13 Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
14 Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD. 17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18 Thou shalt not avenge , nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
There is nothing new about these laws even though we live in a much different culture.
I like that verse, but if I may.
The term "Mosaic covenant" in a man made term. The covenant with Israel is not replaced. The physical temple worship is, along with the Levite priesthood. If we blanket with the term "Mosaic covenant" then we also have to exclude all of the ten commandments, for all that God spoke in that covenant is from Exodus 20: through Exodus 23.
Exodus 24:8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said , Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.
God made the covenant, not Moses.
The term "Mosaic covenant" in a man made term. The covenant with Israel is not replaced. The physical temple worship is, along with the Levite priesthood. If we blanket with the term "Mosaic covenant" then we also have to exclude all of the ten commandments, for all that God spoke in that covenant is from Exodus 20: through Exodus 23.
Exodus 24:8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said , Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.
God made the covenant, not Moses.
Something for folks to chew on:
Jesus did issue a new commandment that could not possibly have fit under the old covenant given through Moses. Moses didn't die for the sins of people. Animal blood was shed to temporarily cover the sins of Israel under that covenant, particularly those who observed Passover. Jesus never commanded, nor did the apostles command, to put animal blood forth for forgiveness of sin for eternal life. Only Jesus' blood can do that.
Take a closer look at Leviticus 19:18 (KJV) [SUP]8 [/SUP] Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
That covenant commandment called for loving neighbor as we love ourselves. There has always been much debate over the extent of love for neighbors, and just exactly who neighbor is.
Jesus had something higher in mind. It didn't stop at loving God with all our might, either. Our might isn't enough. His body and blood is what it took.
Jesus commanded that we love each other like He loved us.
That is the main difference between old and new covenant.
John 13:34 (KJV)
[SUP]34 [/SUP] A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
John didn't issue a new commandment, but reminded all to keep that commandment of Jesus 1 John 2:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
[HR][/HR] 1 John 2:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
[HR][/HR] 2 John 1:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
"Beginning" referred to the ministry of Jesus among men. If not, then the only remaining "beginning" would have to be with the covenant given to Adam. That wouldn't make sense, since there was no teaching to love one another in Adam's day the way Jesus loved us. Again, the "beginning" could not be with Moses due to the inferior sacrifice, Jesus being the one acceptable to God once and for all eternity.
ABOLISHED. President Lincoln gets credit for abolishing slavery in America. But slavery continued a while. What? But it was abolished. That means the practice didn't have force of law to continue, that in fact law prohibited slavery. The history of that is still existing, but remains abolished. In a like manner we have
2 Corinthians 3:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
[HR][/HR] Ephesians 2:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Examine the context of those verses, or remain confused.
I suppose some folks think they have a better revelation of truth than Paul had. We have a right of free speech in America to say such things (in essence), but not with God and His people who hear His voice.
Jesus did issue a new commandment that could not possibly have fit under the old covenant given through Moses. Moses didn't die for the sins of people. Animal blood was shed to temporarily cover the sins of Israel under that covenant, particularly those who observed Passover. Jesus never commanded, nor did the apostles command, to put animal blood forth for forgiveness of sin for eternal life. Only Jesus' blood can do that.
Take a closer look at Leviticus 19:18 (KJV) [SUP]8 [/SUP] Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
That covenant commandment called for loving neighbor as we love ourselves. There has always been much debate over the extent of love for neighbors, and just exactly who neighbor is.
Jesus had something higher in mind. It didn't stop at loving God with all our might, either. Our might isn't enough. His body and blood is what it took.
Jesus commanded that we love each other like He loved us.
That is the main difference between old and new covenant.
John 13:34 (KJV)
[SUP]34 [/SUP] A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
John didn't issue a new commandment, but reminded all to keep that commandment of Jesus 1 John 2:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
[HR][/HR] 1 John 2:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
[HR][/HR] 2 John 1:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
"Beginning" referred to the ministry of Jesus among men. If not, then the only remaining "beginning" would have to be with the covenant given to Adam. That wouldn't make sense, since there was no teaching to love one another in Adam's day the way Jesus loved us. Again, the "beginning" could not be with Moses due to the inferior sacrifice, Jesus being the one acceptable to God once and for all eternity.
ABOLISHED. President Lincoln gets credit for abolishing slavery in America. But slavery continued a while. What? But it was abolished. That means the practice didn't have force of law to continue, that in fact law prohibited slavery. The history of that is still existing, but remains abolished. In a like manner we have
2 Corinthians 3:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
[HR][/HR] Ephesians 2:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Examine the context of those verses, or remain confused.
I suppose some folks think they have a better revelation of truth than Paul had. We have a right of free speech in America to say such things (in essence), but not with God and His people who hear His voice.