The Israel of God

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zone

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Mind you zone, You have to agree that the left behind series was actually a very well written science fiction that had a good moral story too it.. we have to give it some credit :)
i know phil!:)

the Plan B part is cool when everybody vanishes.

then the Plan A part is awful...when all the jews and and believers get left behind and....uh....they uh....what do they do again?
 

zone

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Yes, the Gentile Sheep are also of Israel, but not that Israel which is comprised of merely physical ethnic jews, but that Israel which is of the Election of Grace, Abraham's Spiritual Children !
soooooooooooo....the Church is Israel?
the Israel of God?

:)

put yer armour on.
you'll now be labeled an antisemticantinomianpunitivereplacementheologian......somethingorother.

constantine was the first one i heard.
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BUT I HAVE OTHER SHEEP ALSO...which are NOT OF THIS FOLD (ISRAEL) them I MUST BRING ALSO AND THEY SHALL ALL BE THE SONS OF GOD.
Referring to Israel scattered throughout the nations.

James 1.1
To the twelve tribes scattered abroad
 
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There are plenty in the church that are not Israel.

To qualify you have to be an unadulterated descendant of Abraham and Sarah.The promises are only for these descendants.

The Jews are generally not what they appear to be and usually have their roots elsewhere..
 
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Jesus is Israel that saves His Israel !


1 Cor 2:12-13


12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

All scripture first and foremost is spiritual truth, inspired by the Living God 2 Tim 3:16

16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

This applies to both OT and NT. The Lord Jesus Christ fulfills all scripture, all was centered in Him Lk 24:26-27

26Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

27And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Jesus must open our understanding so that we can receive the spiritual meaning of the scriptures, and not just the letter of scripture. Lk 24:44-45


44And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

They needed to have a spiritual understanding of the scriptures as how they pertained to Christ, again pointing to what paul meant in 1 Cor 2:13

The Holy Spirit now continues what Christ did, in opening up the understanding of scripture OT and NT to see the Glories of Christ. Jesus said that when He shall come into the world that He shall:

Jn 16:13-14


13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14He shall glorify me:

The bringing into existence of National Israel was a type of Christ !

Christ is and always has been the True Israel of God, National Israel was merely a type.

Lets look at this verse and see how it is spiritually applied to Christ.

Ex 4:22

22And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

The inspired writer was inspired to write these words because The Nation of Israel was a type liken unto Christ, Gods Firstborn Son

Rom 8:29

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Col 1:15

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

And through Him the True Israel of God will be delivered from bondage and sin, sins servitude Jn 8:32-36


32And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

33They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

34Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

35And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

36If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.



This nation was designated Gods Firstborn only because it was typical and a shadow , a visible likeness of the True Israel of God, Christ. National Israel was also a type of the body of Christ, for the Head and Body are one.

The Nation was termed the firstfruits Jer 2:3a

Israel was holiness unto the LORD, and the firstfruits of his increase:

Because Christ is the Firstfruit [1 Cor 15:23]

The nation was termed Chosen Deut 7:6 because Christ was Chosen Isa 42:1

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

The Nation was called Son Ex 4:22 because Christ is the Son Jn 8:36

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

It is only because of Christ all these designations find realization. And Inheritance into Israel is not by natural birth, but by being born of the seed of Christ Isa 53:10

Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shallprosper in his hand.

The incorruptible seed of the word of God 1 Pet 1:23

23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

The Inheritance of this Israel is not subject to corruption 1 Pet 1:4

4To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

This is the Inheritance that Abraham sought after as the Father of the Faithful Heb 11:16

16But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

This was fulfilled in Christ, The Israel of God, Gods Firstborn Son !

And all that belong to Christ, belong to The Israel of God Gal 3:29

29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed [Israel], and heirs according to the promise.

Gal 3:16

16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed [Israel], which is Christ.50
 
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lsaiah 41.8

But you Israel my servant Jacob who l have chosen,descendants of Abraham my friend..

Matt 15.24

I was sent only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel

Gal 3.29

If ye be Christs then ye be Abrahams seed and heirs according to the promise

Not Abrahams spiritual seed.Abrahams literal seed.
 
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And So all Israel shall be saved !

Rom 11:25-26


25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

All Israel is saved by God's Mystery plan and purpose, and not according to the natural mind of men.

Israel was saved by God's hardening of non elect jews, from Covenant Israel [ which were ethnic jews who were genuine believers in the messiah] and the grafting in of gentiles believers into Covenant Israel, and in this manner all Israel shall be saved, the Israel of God !

This is confirmed by the mentioning of the gentiles as entering in eiselthein


And what are they entering into ? The Covenant Israel, the Commonwealth of Israel Eph 2:12,19

12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

19Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

The ethnic jews who were saved !

What Paul is is saying, is that Israel of promise is being saved contrary to what people think, its not by God saving all ethnic jews, but by the breaking off of the unsaved jews, and the grafting in of the saved gentiles into fellowship with the saved jews, is how God planned and purpose to save all Israel. This was a Mystery !51
 
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Not Abrahams spiritual seed.Abrahams literal seed.
It is Abraham's Literial Spiritual Seed, for Gentiles Belong to Christ, and they are not Abraham's physical Seed. Do you believe that Gentiles Belong to Christ ?
 
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The Mystery


The use of the term mystery is quite befitting to describe that All Israel shall be saved by means of the gentiles being brought into the Faith of the Messiah, the Jewish Messiah at that !

Although they may not have been quite clear on the matter, but the True Saints of the OT like David and Isiah and the early NT saints like Simeon and others, when prophesying of the coming Messiah and or His work of salvation to Israel, they always had subjoined a reference to the gentiles as well.

Isa 49:6

And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.


Isa 42:6

I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

lk 2:32

A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

God of course would raise up Paul to further expound this Mystery !52
 
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Rom 11:24 & Eph 2:11-13

Rom 11:24

24For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

Eph 2:11-15,19

11Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;


12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;for to make in himself of twain one new man [Or Israel], so making peace;

19Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God [Israel];


The Israel that God loves and foreknew use to be represented by both saved and reprobated jews in the Nation of Israel, but now having broken off the reprobated jews [ The physical nation of Israel as a whole] and grafting in the saved gentiles, the Israel of God is represented by both saved jews and saved gentiles, instead of saved jews and reprobated jews.53
 

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Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Galations 3:28,29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then
you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."
 
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The Israel of God
(Galatians 6:16)

by Michael Marlowe, Dec. 2004.

14 ἐμοὶ δὲ μὴ γένοιτο καυχᾶσθαι εἰ μὴ ἐν τῷ σταυρῷ τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, δι᾽ οὗ ἐμοὶ κόσμος ἐσταύρωται κἀγὼ κόσμῳ. 15 οὔτε γὰρ περιτομή τί ἐστιν οὔτε ἀκροβυστία, ἀλλὰ καινὴ κτίσις. 16 καὶ ὅσοι τῷ κανόνι τούτῳ στοιχήσουσιν, εἰρήνη ἐπ᾽ αὐτοὺς καὶ ἔλεος, καὶ ἐπὶ τὸν Ἰσραὴλ τοῦ θεοῦ.

14 But far be it from me to boast, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world hath been crucified unto me, and I unto the world. 15 For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. 16 And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.




The proper interpretation and translation of the last phrase in Galatians 6:16 has become a matter of controversy in the past century or so. Formerly it was not a matter of controversy. With few exceptions, "The Israel of God" was understood as a name for the Church here. [1] The καὶ ("and") which precedes the phrase ἐπὶ τὸν Ἰσραὴλ τοῦ θεοῦ ("upon the Israel of God") was understood as an explicative καὶ. This understanding of the grammar is reflected in the Revised Standard Version's "Peace and mercy be upon all who walk by this rule, upon the Israel of God," and in the New International Version's "even to the Israel of God." It is not necessary, however, to understand the καὶ as an explicative in order to get substantially the same sense. If it be regarded as an ordinary connective καὶ, as Marvin Vicent says, "The ὅσοι ['as many as'] will refer to the individual Christians, Jewish and Gentile, and Israel of God to the same Christians, regarded collectively, and forming the true messianic community." (Word Studies in the New Testament vol. 4, p. 180). So the rendering "and upon the Israel of God" (KJV and others) is acceptable enough, if it is not misunderstood. In any case, it seems clear that in this verse Paul cannot be pronouncing a benediction upon persons who are not included in the phrase "as many as shall walk by this rule" (the rule of boasting only in the cross). The entire argument of the epistle prevents any idea that here in 6:16 he would give a blessing to those who are not included in this group.

The phrase has become controversial because the traditional interpretation conflicts with principles of interpretation associated with Dispensationalism. Dispensationalists are interested in maintaining a sharp distinction between "Israel" and "the Church" across a whole range of theological matters pertaining to prophecy, ecclesiology, and soteriology. They are not comfortable with the idea that here Paul is using the phrase "Israel of God" in a sense that includes Gentiles, because this undermines their contention that "the Church" is always carefully distinguished from "Israel" in Scripture. This is a major tenet of dispensationalist hermeneutics. C.I. Scofield in his tract, Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth (New York, Loizeaux Brothers, 1888) wrote, "Comparing, then, what is said in Scripture concerning Israel and the Church, [a careful Bible student ] finds that in origin, calling, promise, worship, principles of conduct, and future destiny--all is contrast." Likewise Charles Ryrie in his book Dispensationalism Today (Chicago, 1965) explained that the "basic premise of Dispensationalism is two purposes of God expressed in the formation of two peoples who maintain their distinction throughout eternity." (pp. 44-45).

The Israel of God (Galatians 6:16) < click


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do we have this sorted out yet?

AMEN. SOOOO true. So many would argue against the interpretation that Israel can apply to the church, largely because that would require compromising certain opinions on God's favoring of Israel in certain parts of the Bible.
 
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It is Abraham's Literial Spiritual Seed, for Gentiles Belong to Christ, and they are not Abraham's physical Seed. Do you believe that Gentiles Belong to Christ ?
it's not Abraham's seed in the first place. It's Jacob's.
 
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It is Abraham's Literial Spiritual Seed, for Gentiles Belong to Christ, and they are not Abraham's physical Seed. Do you believe that Gentiles Belong to Christ ?
The gentiles are Israel scattered through the nations.Amos 9.9

Gentiles is the Greek word ethnos which just means nations.

Acts 26.6
Now l am on trial because l hope for the promise that God made to our ancestors.
7 this is the pro mise that the twelve tribes of our people hope to receive

Matt 10.23
You will not finish going through all the cities of lsrael before the Son of Man comes
 
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The scripture is full of the evidence that both jew and gentile would be the One People of God, the Israel of God, a Spiritual People, with no ethnic distinction.

That both would be a union of believers in Christ Gal 3:16,29

16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

This was predicted in the book of Gen 3:15


15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed [Christ Gal 3:16]; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Later in the book of genesis we have regarding the Sons of Noah this promise Gen 9:26-27


26And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

27God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

Japheth, a patriarch of the gentiles,, would dwell in the tents of shem, the father of the semitic race.

This was fulfilled with Christ death Eph 2:12-19


12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

14For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

17And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

18For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

19Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
 
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The gentiles are Israel scattered through the nations.Amos 9.9

Gentiles is the Greek word ethnos which just means nations.

Acts 26.6
Now l am on trial because l hope for the promise that God made to our ancestors.
7 this is the pro mise that the twelve tribes of our people hope to receive

Matt 10.23
You will not finish going through all the cities of lsrael before the Son of Man comes
Do you believe that Gentiles Belong to Christ ?