The Jews Are Gonna Experience Worst Time Ever In Tribulation, Us Christians Need 2 Warn Them!!

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Daniel 12:1

At that time Michael shall stand up, the great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation, even to that time.

The trumpets, seals, and bowls of Revelation all described the horrific conditions of the world in general during this time. The Jewish people will be targets of the full fury of the devil and his antichrist during this period, and will live in a world that is in incredible upheaval because of the judgment of God.

iv. “The Jew has always been a target of Satan. He has sought to destroy them because he knew that God has ordained to accomplish His purposes through this nation. And thus Satan has attempted in times past to destroy the nation of Israel in order to thwart the purposes of God.” (Smith) Revelation 12:13-17, Jeremiah 30:7 Jacob’s trouble.

Despite the terrors of that time, deliverance is assured. No matter how great the attack is against the Jewish people, God promises to preserve them. He will never break His promise to Abraham: And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you (Genesis 17:7).

And every one who is found written in the book: This promise of deliverance is not for every last person of Jewish heritage, but for these who are found written in the book. Not every person of Jewish heritage will be saved, yet Israel as a whole will be known as a people who trust in Jesus as their Messiah, and truly turn to the Lord (Romans 11:25-27).
 

Dino246

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I guess the complete destruction of their city, temple, religious system, and entire way of life, and the near-annihilation of their ethnic identity through pestilence, slaughter, and slavery wasn't sufficient tribulation.
 

mar09

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Hi Sd,
I was listening to this vid before I came to read the OP.. and trying to reconcile things.
 

Blade

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I guess the complete destruction of their city, temple, religious system, and entire way of life, and the near-annihilation of their ethnic identity through pestilence, slaughter, and slavery wasn't sufficient tribulation.
Ouch lol... yet true.... but their trouble is not over. Theres a price to be picked by GOD and then not do what He said..

Oh I really like Amir Tsarfati..
 
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Sucks to be those chosen people huh?
There are groups that are sending Jews back to Israel. So they can be there for Armageddon? That's the king of antisemitism.
And people think the status of elect is better? Look what awaits the chosen.
 

MattforJesus

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God is giving the world 7 years to have their way and cause all people who do not love Him to follow the beast, and when they follow the beast by worshipping him then God will put them down.

And brings Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior.

Which Israel is blinded in part, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in, when they follow the beast for then repentance and salvation are no longer available to them, and so all Israel shall be saved.

Paul said the saints are not going to be gathered unto Christ until there is a falling away first, which is the condition of the world in response to the Gospel, which they stop the preaching of the Gospel, and evolution is religion, and the man of sin claims to be God which happens in the middle of the 7 years.

Then the beast makes war against the saints and prevails against them, and the saints are given in to his hands for three and one half years, and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people then all things are finished, and the saints are resurrected to heaven.

Which Jesus shall then be revealed to the world when He puts them down, and saved Israel then the heathen that God spared shall know that God was always on Israel's side.

When the man of sin, New Age Christ establishes peace in the Middle East between the Jews and Palestinians, and the nations come together and say Peace and safety as the world works for peace on earth, the 7 years period will begin.

The wrath of God is not in the 7 years period for the first half repentance and salvation are still available to the world so the wrath of God is not there.

After the beast claims to be God he has power to continue for three and one half years, and has power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, so the wrath of God is not there for God is allowing the beast to rule over the wicked, and make war against the saints.

The trumpets is not the wrath of God but are warnings to the world to repent of their sins, and stop going by the false new age movement, and turn to God but after the 6th trumpet they do not turn to God, so He gives them the New Age Christ to rule over them.

An example is WW1, did not turn to God set up League of Nations.

WW2, did not turn to God set up United Nations, and United Religions.

And that pattern will continue until the 6th trumpet, Islam against the world, which will cause one third of the world to perish mainly in the Arab nations as they pluck them up by the roots, for Islam rebelled because the world hindered anything being preached except the new age movement, and they stopped the Gospel from being preached.

That war is so terrible that they turn to the beast as the solution to have peace on earth.

The beast will then make war against all people who keep the commandments of God, and the testimony of Jesus.

Which it is the greatest persecution ever because it is on a worldwide scale both Jews and Gentiles who follow Jesus.

But Israel as a nation is protected for the 7 years period from physical attack, and the beast only goes against the Jews that claim Jesus, for the beast does not have power to go against the nation of Israel for God will not allow it for it is God's plan to turn them to the truth.

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Repentance and salvation is still available to the world for the first three and one half years.

Israel is protected from physical attack for the first three and one half years probably by the 7 years peace treaty, but God will surely protect Israel from physical attack.

12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

After the 6th trumpet the world does not turn to God so He gives them the man of sin to rule over them, which war breaks out in heaven, and the devils are cast to earth, and deceive all people who do not love God.

This is not physical Babylon, for the Bible says she will never have physical dominion again, but her ways are still on earth so she has not fallen yet, and they resurrected the Babylon spirit which Babylon represents the occult, human religion, and the kingdom of man which is what the beast kingdom is about.

When the world follows the beast and takes the mark of the beast then repentance and salvation is no longer available to the them and the fulness of the Gentiles have come in.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

God will then send Israel 2 witnesses to turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior and at the end of that three and one half years Israel will be in the truth.

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Israel is protected from physical attack for the last three and one half years.

But the beast makes war against all people who keep the commandments of God, and the testimony of Jesus, both Jew and Gentile, but the beast cannot attack Israel physically for God has the plan to turn them to the truth.

Which it is the time of Jacob's trouble which the Jews that claim Jesus will be persecuted, and a Gentile when they are saved are a Jew inward, and part of the commonwealth of Israel, so a Gentile belongs to Israel when they are saved.

It is the greatest persecution ever in history because it is on a worldwide scale, and both Jew and Gentile that claim Christ belong to Israel.

Continued,
 

MattforJesus

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Continued,

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

This is the last three and one half years that the 2 witnesses preach to the Jews and turn them to the truth.

Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

The beast and nobody has power to stop the 2 witnesses from preaching to the Jews, for if they try to stop them the 2 witnesses have power to go against them and put them down.

Which is another reason they cannot physically attack Israel for the last three and one half years for the world has no power against the 2 witnesses that are preaching in Israel.

God is protecting Israel from physical attack for the 7 years period.

At the end of the last three and one half years the Jews will be in the truth.

The Jews are blinded in part for the first three and one half years, although some confess Christ, and many are still blinded in part during the last three and one half years but they steadily come to the truth, and at the last miracle of the 2 witnesses then all the rest turned to the truth.

The beast makes war against those that follow Jesus, but many did not follow Jesus during the first three and one half years, and they steadily were coming to the truth during the last three and one half years, and the beast could not make war against Israel physically.

The first half because of the peace treaty so the beast did not go against them, and the last three and one half years because the 2 witnesses were taking down people that would hinder them from preaching to the Jews.

Most of the warring against the saints will be done around the world with the Gentiles, with some Jews around Israel.

But the Gentiles belong to Israel so they are part of the time of Jacob's trouble.

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

At the end of the last three and one half years when the 2 witnesses have finished their testimony then the beast has power over them, and kills them

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

The world is then glad because they are dead which tormented the people that would go against them.

Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Then the Spirit of life from God will enter in to them, and they will stand up, and then great fear will come upon them which saw, and they shall be caught up to God.

And there shall be a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and 7000 men were slain, then the rest of the Jews that did not believe will turn to God, and believe in Jesus.

Then all of Israel will be in the truth.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God.

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Then the saints that remain are caught up to be with Jesus, and then the wrath of God is poured upon the heathen, and the kingdoms of the earth have become the kingdoms of Jesus.

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

At the end of the 7 years period then comes the end when Jesus shall deliver up the kingdom to the Father, and then He shall put down the wicked.

It seems as if the seals cover a longer time span that starts before the 7 years period, but goes in to the 7 years time frame too.

Which the trumpets are a shorter time span and all first 6 of them could be within the first three and one half years, for the 6th trumpet is in the first three and one half years, and then the 7th trumpet is at the end of the last three and one half years the resurrection of the saints that remain.

But a some trumpets might be shortly before 7 years period begins as a warning that starts before the world comes together and says Peace and safety.

And the vials a shorter time span than the trumpets, that happen after the 7 years period is over.

I do not believe that the seals and trumpets are the wrath of God, but come from the operation of people, as disaster from people like the 6th trumpet, Islam against the world.

As a testimony of people's nature that they cannot get along, and cannot solve their problems, and cannot have peace on earth without God.

The wrath of God is when the saints are off the earth at the end of the 7 years period that God is giving the world their way for 7 years to cause all people who do not love Him to follow the beast, and then make war against the saints.
 
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Daniel 12:1

At that time Michael shall stand up, the great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation, even to that time.

The trumpets, seals, and bowls of Revelation all described the horrific conditions of the world in general during this time. The Jewish people will be targets of the full fury of the devil and his antichrist during this period, and will live in a world that is in incredible upheaval because of the judgment of God.

iv. “The Jew has always been a target of Satan. He has sought to destroy them because he knew that God has ordained to accomplish His purposes through this nation. And thus Satan has attempted in times past to destroy the nation of Israel in order to thwart the purposes of God.” (Smith) Revelation 12:13-17, Jeremiah 30:7 Jacob’s trouble.

Despite the terrors of that time, deliverance is assured. No matter how great the attack is against the Jewish people, God promises to preserve them. He will never break His promise to Abraham: And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you (Genesis 17:7).

And every one who is found written in the book: This promise of deliverance is not for every last person of Jewish heritage, but for these who are found written in the book. Not every person of Jewish heritage will be saved, yet Israel as a whole will be known as a people who trust in Jesus as their Messiah, and truly turn to the Lord (Romans 11:25-27).
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 3:36 (KJV 1900)
 
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Continued,

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

This is the last three and one half years that the 2 witnesses preach to the Jews and turn them to the truth.

Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

The beast and nobody has power to stop the 2 witnesses from preaching to the Jews, for if they try to stop them the 2 witnesses have power to go against them and put them down.

Which is another reason they cannot physically attack Israel for the last three and one half years for the world has no power against the 2 witnesses that are preaching in Israel.

God is protecting Israel from physical attack for the 7 years period.

At the end of the last three and one half years the Jews will be in the truth.

The Jews are blinded in part for the first three and one half years, although some confess Christ, and many are still blinded in part during the last three and one half years but they steadily come to the truth, and at the last miracle of the 2 witnesses then all the rest turned to the truth.

The beast makes war against those that follow Jesus, but many did not follow Jesus during the first three and one half years, and they steadily were coming to the truth during the last three and one half years, and the beast could not make war against Israel physically.

The first half because of the peace treaty so the beast did not go against them, and the last three and one half years because the 2 witnesses were taking down people that would hinder them from preaching to the Jews.

Most of the warring against the saints will be done around the world with the Gentiles, with some Jews around Israel.

But the Gentiles belong to Israel so they are part of the time of Jacob's trouble.

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

At the end of the last three and one half years when the 2 witnesses have finished their testimony then the beast has power over them, and kills them

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

The world is then glad because they are dead which tormented the people that would go against them.

Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Then the Spirit of life from God will enter in to them, and they will stand up, and then great fear will come upon them which saw, and they shall be caught up to God.

And there shall be a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and 7000 men were slain, then the rest of the Jews that did not believe will turn to God, and believe in Jesus.

Then all of Israel will be in the truth.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God.

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Then the saints that remain are caught up to be with Jesus, and then the wrath of God is poured upon the heathen, and the kingdoms of the earth have become the kingdoms of Jesus.

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

At the end of the 7 years period then comes the end when Jesus shall deliver up the kingdom to the Father, and then He shall put down the wicked.

It seems as if the seals cover a longer time span that starts before the 7 years period, but goes in to the 7 years time frame too.

Which the trumpets are a shorter time span and all first 6 of them could be within the first three and one half years, for the 6th trumpet is in the first three and one half years, and then the 7th trumpet is at the end of the last three and one half years the resurrection of the saints that remain.

But a some trumpets might be shortly before 7 years period begins as a warning that starts before the world comes together and says Peace and safety.

And the vials a shorter time span than the trumpets, that happen after the 7 years period is over.

I do not believe that the seals and trumpets are the wrath of God, but come from the operation of people, as disaster from people like the 6th trumpet, Islam against the world.

As a testimony of people's nature that they cannot get along, and cannot solve their problems, and cannot have peace on earth without God.

The wrath of God is when the saints are off the earth at the end of the 7 years period that God is giving the world their way for 7 years to cause all people who do not love Him to follow the beast, and then make war against the saints.
nice one man, thanks!!