The King James Bible

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Dino246

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Nope, but there would only be one, not multiple versions containing different words and truth.
As you have not done so since I asked this of you, please explain why you aren't reading Tyndale or even Wycliffe, as they pre-date the KJV in English. According to you, there cannot be more than one.

Please explain why Erasmus made five editions. Please explain why the KJV translators used his five plus two others, and referred to additional versions.

Your reasoning on this matter is deeply and fatally flawed.
 

Joseppi

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Jesus said, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

There isn't any contradiction of truth in the above quote of Jesus. yet is different than what Matthew remembered Jesus said about the temptation in the wilderness.

While some looking for error by means of man made notions of perfection rather than God's, they that don't doubt can observe that in this manner of witness and testimony in the varied gospel accounts, the Spirit of God gives us clarity and broader access to understanding than the witness of one man can provide.

In Matthew God stresses that his word proceedeth, as to reveal to the faithful reader that many times we must know what God is saying at the moment.
In Luke God insures the understanding that every word of God is scripture, that is, written.

Remember that God's word can be written in your heart as well.

When we hear a prophet speak, or a teacher, how are we to know if truth is spoken?
By what is written we can verify with scripture, for scripture can't be broken.
And the scripture says let other prophets judge one other's speech.
And the scripture says a prophet is false if his prediction doesn't come to pass.
etc...
 

Dino246

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Again, you present your own notion of perfection, not God's.
None of the verses you provided contradict what is written of God.
You can't present any contradiction you imagine can be noted by your assumption of perfection.

But as I have said, you will find many contradictions of truth in modern bibles.

You might not understand why God's measure is not according to your own.The reason is that requires of us both faith and sincerity or we can't understand. You search for error and you think you find it. But your premise is false. Where is your idea of perfection found in scripture?

The fact that you know Jesus told you the truth proves that you should've realized your notion of perfection is not of God.
Another example of you completely missing the point. Each of the verses Trof posted includes a quote from the OT. Go and look up each quoted passage and see how the NT quotation differs from the OT original. Then explain the differences frmo within your framework of "perfection"... then explain why you deny this latitude to other translations.
 

PeterJames

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That's an interesting question; if the NT can quote the OT with variants, then it does beg the question why this is not permissible with many Bible translations.

Another example of you completely missing the point. Each of the verses Trof posted includes a quote from the OT. Go and look up each quoted passage and see how the NT quotation differs from the OT original. Then explain the differences frmo within your framework of "perfection"... then explain why you deny this latitude to other translations.
 

notuptome

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Language is not static. Revisions are useful to keep bible versions from becoming unreadable.

The KJV translators did the best they could from the original manuscripts at their disposal they admitted as much in the forward of their finished work.

I suspect that the KJV will still be around when the newcomers reach their 400th birthdays.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Dino246

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Do you see a contradiction? One version doesn't specify where Satan must go. But there is no contradiction of truth.
But you were shown contradiction of truth in the niv you prefer.
To which "contradiction of truth in the niv" are you referring?
 

Joseppi

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I was not requesting an explanation of the use or meaning of numbers in Scripture, thank you.
Yet I gave it to you.
How would you know? Have you studied modern translations?
I have no interest in modern versions. I don't read books about evolution either.
I challenge you to find a single example of distortion of numbers in any modern Christian translation without comparing it to the KJV.
Not in the least interested in modern bibles.
More hogwash based on a logical fallacy and ignorance of the text. A man cannot be twenty-two years old and forty-two years old at the same time.
I have no need to explain again how wisdom is required.
Pettiness isn't of God.
Since you have made this assertion, and all Scripture is inspired by God, does the "four" in "four squads of soldiers" in Acts 12 refer to completion?
Is it related to something God did or that man did?
I suggest you re-read what you wrote, as you contradicted yourself. Is your "study" of Scripture replete with such creativity?
No comment.
 

tanakh

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My Question to all KJV lovers is which edition is the perfect inspired one? I have a reproduction of an early edition that
includes not only the bog standard Apocrypha but the letter to the Laodiceans as well. I have also read that prior to 1885
the KJV consisted of no less than 80 books which is more than todays Catholic version.
 

Joseppi

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Another example of you completely missing the point. Each of the verses Trof posted includes a quote from the OT. Go and look up each quoted passage and see how the NT quotation differs from the OT original. Then explain the differences frmo within your framework of "perfection"... then explain why you deny this latitude to other translations.
I already explained these things.
I'm not looking for error. When you or Trofimus find it, then present it.
Remember the complexity of the Holy Bible.

I give other versions no latitude concerning God's truths.
 

Joseppi

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To which "contradiction of truth in the niv" are you referring?
I have presented at least three. But I'm not starting over. I no the tactics of people not interested in truth. Do your own research or pay attention.
 

Dino246

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I have no interest in modern versions. I don't read books about evolution either.
Not in the least interested in modern bibles.
So ANY criticisms you make about the content of modern translations are ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT MERIT, since you admit you haven't done the homework to confirm them.

I give other versions no latitude concerning God's truths.
Yet you give the KJV all sorts of latitude concerning God's truths. Your attitude is hypocritical.

Pettiness isn't of God.
I'll happily quote this back to you the next time you make a petty remark.
 

Joseppi

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My Question to all KJV lovers is which edition is the perfect inspired one? I have a reproduction of an early edition that
includes not only the bog standard Apocrypha but the letter to the Laodiceans as well. I have also read that prior to 1885
the KJV consisted of no less than 80 books which is more than todays Catholic version.
This also was dealt with.
But apparently whenever you are confronted with truth you forget and start over.
Its just a obfuscation tactic you use.
 

Dino246

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I have presented at least three. But I'm not starting over. I no the tactics of people not interested in truth. Do your own research or pay attention.
Don't be a jack-donkey. It's a simple question.
 

Dino246

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This also was dealt with.
But apparently whenever you are confronted with truth you forget and start over.
Its just a obfuscation tactic you use.
Do you tell this to your fellow KJV-only proponents when they do the same?
 

Studyman

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Well maybe your synopsis of scripture is "the message" some posters suggest is all one needs to be approved of God.
I think what you have presented above is a dumped down personal message that modern bible readers will find comforting.
However, it doesn't line up with any notion that you have studied much.
Wow, you got all that from this one post.

I guess God can't reveal Himself to men unless you approve the translation they use, or they attend some Bible school that you approve of. Exactly what part of my post instigated such a condemnation? Was it the part about God being a Spirit? Maybe the part about Spiritual understand that you imply I am void of.

However, it doesn't line up with any notion that you have studied much.
"Any notion", no come on. Be honest here. You aren't speaking about "Any Notion", you are speaking about your notion, nothing else. I mean, your judgment and condemnation means little to me. I am just curious as to how you came to it by this one short post.
 
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The KJV claims there is a personal God that everybody is accountable to Him,and one God that created all things,and He was manifest in flesh as Jesus Christ to provide salvation,the death,burial,and resurrection of Jesus,the Gospel,and Jesus is Lord and Savior,who is above all principality,power,and rule,the King of kings,and Lord of lords,and we can have forgiveness of sins by confessing Christ,repenting of our sins,and receive the Holy Spirit which we have the power to overcome the flesh and live Christlike,and Jesus will put an end to sin on earth,and the saints will dwell with God and Jesus for all eternity in a place where sin has never been and sin will never be.

If the KJV teaches those precious truths then all else will fall in to place and be truth,for if the devil cannot hinder those truths then he cannot hinder anything of the KJV,and God has His hand on that translation.

Those truths is what the devil and the world would want to hinder but they cannot hinder them,so the KJV is a good translation.

If other translations teach those truths then all else should fall in to place as truth.

And if they say king James was a heathen king does not matter when God can use him to get His word out to the people.

Babylon was the greatest Gentile kingdom,referred to as gold,and a lion,which they were blessed by God,which they rode on eagle's wings,and king Nebuchadnezzar was a heathen king that acknowledged other gods,and things of the occult,but he proclaimed throughout his entire kingdom,and those nations he ruled over,that the God of Israel is the God of gods,and a Lord of kings,that He is the greatest God of the gods,and for all people to acknowledge Him,and if they did not they were cut in pieces,and their house made a dunghill,and said that God rules in the kingdom of men,and gives the kingdom to who he wants.

But when the king died and his son took the throne he took the vessels out of the temple of the LORD,and drank out of them praising other gods when he knew what his father believed,and the kingdom was stripped from them and given to the Medes and Persians,and the eagle's wings were plucked,and then Babylon was known as the kingdom of man.

So God can use whoever He wants to put out His word if they are a king,or ruler,and their kingdom rules over many people,and they acknowledge the God of Israel,even if they are a heathen king.

Look at America how she allows the Gospel to be spread in the nation,and throughout the world big time,but she is a heathen nation that allows all religions to be practiced there including Satanism,the occult,and the new age movement that God warns us about in 1 Timothy 4:1-5,2 Timothy 4:2-4,and allows the pursuit of money and material things that causes selfishness,and arrogance,and self exaltation,and neglects the poor and needy as they are ripping,and gypping,and heaping as much as they can to themselves that is not of God,and worldliness,and fleshy pleasures,and sin.

But God uses America to get the Gospel,and the truth of His word out in the nation,and world,and God used king Nebuchadnezzar to get His word,and truth,out in to his kingdom,and those nations he ruled over,and God can use king James to get his truth,and his word,out in to the world,and it can be translated correctly even though they might interpret in incorrectly in some places.

God has to use the heathen at times because they are the ones that rule in the nations,and kingdoms,and there has not been one nation,or kingdom,that did it right before God but Israel when she dwelled in the truth,for all others were heathens that acknowledged the God of Israel,but they had their own ways about them according to the world,but they caused many to acknowledge the God of Israel,but many did not have the correct viewpoint.

America allows the Bible to be practiced in America,but they are also a heathen nation,so many do not have the correct viewpoint of the Bible,which America strayed more in the ways of the heathen and false religions than any other nation in the history of mankind,for there are more religions,more of the occult,especially the new age movement,more Christian denominations and sects than ever in the history of mankind,and America allows them all to be practiced in her nation.

But like Babylon when the king's son blew it,eventually they will not acknowledge the God of Israel and shall collapse,which they will not want to believe in a personal God,but honor the God of forces,or the power of nature as their higher power,and people can still evolve to be greater,which will eventually be a law to acknowledge no other religious ways for the peace of the world.

But now she causes people to acknowledge the God of Israel which many see the truth,and abide by the truth,and God can use king James to do the same and the translation correct,although I do not believe they called it the king James Bible back years ago.

The KJV teaches the truths that the devil and the world would want to hinder the most,but they cannot do it,at least not in written word,so all should fall in to place and be truth,and God has His hand on that translation.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Nope, but there would only be one, not multiple versions containing different words and truth.
Different words can have the same meaning.

How does a train go when it's running at full speed?

1) The train goes quickly
2) The train moves fast
3) The train travels speedily

Which one is the truth?
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Do you see a contradiction? One version doesn't specify where Satan must go. But there is no contradiction of truth.
But you were shown contradiction of truth in the niv you prefer.
What the blazes are you talking about?
Get thee behind & get thee hence are both from the KJV. There are no thees in the NIV at all.
 
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Different words can have the same meaning.

How does a train go when it's running at full speed?

1) The train goes quickly
2) The train moves fast
3) The train travels speedily

Which one is the truth?
AND metaphorically speaking the train could be flying as well.....or running top speed, sailing, cruising, chugging along, movin on, zipping along........
 

trofimus

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Jesus said, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
Thats so sad that your KJV does not have what Jesus quoted. Thats probably because your KJV is perfect.