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Originally Posted by John146
Did God inspire words and then lost them?

Did God inspire words and commanded to live by them and not preserve them for us?


The original mss were the only ones inspired. All others are copies, nothing more, nothing less. IOW, they're not inspired.
 
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What does all this matter?
Compare your Bible version with the KJV and find out.

1 Peter 4:[SUP]19 [/SUP]Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator. KJV

Would you rather have the KJV's message that those that suffer entrust the keeping of their souls to Jesus Christ in doing a good job of that while the believers suffer or would you rather have a changed message that some Bibles do in having it about the believer doing a good job while they suffer, and some do it by keeping a commitment to the Lord religiously too?

So I would rather have the KJV's message of His promise to rest in Him that He will do a good job keeping my soul if and when I suffer.. as I do suffer now.. and He is keeping my soul well, rather than be striving to follow Him in doing the best I can while suffering to do so.

This is how I get to know Him & the power of His resurrection when I trust him for all things.

Romans 8:26-27 is about how the Holy Spirit has intercessions for us but He cannot even utter His own groanings in verse 26 which is why verse 27 exists to testify of HOW which is by the Son as the One that searches our hearts as Hebrews 4:12-16 confirms and thus He is the One that knows the mind of the Spirit to give the Spirit's unspoken intercessions to the Father because the Son, the man Christ Jesus, is the only Mediator between God and man ( 1 Timothy 2:5 )

Many believers today thinks they have the gift of tongues when they had a supernatural encounter apart from salvation when they felt a spirit coming over them in bringing this tongue but since it comes with no interpretation, they assume it is a prayer language of the Holy Spirit. BUT...

BUT in all Bibles in John 16:13, the Holy Spirit cannot speak for Himself, but speaks what He hears and so He cannot use tongues which is for speaking unto the people in their native tongues that is unknown to the tongue speaker ( 1 Corinthians 14:20-21 ) to turn that appointed gift around to serve as a means for uttering His intercessions to God by.

So all I can do is ask you to go before that throne of grace, trust Jesus Christ as your Good Shepherd, to see which Bible version you should rely on for the meat of His words to discern good & evil by Him in the KJV.

May He help you to see how modern Bibles have changed His words that they remove the meat for believers to discern good & evil and thus wind up supporting false teachings or false tongues that are not of Him at all but is found in the world as vain & profane babbling which is of the devil.

The Lord wants us to pray so that we may know what we had prayed for and give the Father genuine heartfelt thanks in Jesus's name for answers to prayers.

As it is, many believers have not tested the spirits, but believed every thing falling on them to be of God, including the tongues that it brings ( 1 John 4:1-6 ), thus falling away from the faith in giving heed to seducing spirits & doctrines of devils ( 1 Timothy 4:1-2 ) in promoting this second blessing which Paul warned against ( 2 Corinthians 11:1-4, 13:5 & 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 & 2 Thessalonians 3:1-7,14-15 )

You can compare the KJV with whatever Bible version you are using at Bible Gateway leaning on Him for wisdom to see which Bible He would have you rely on for the meat of His words;

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Peter+4%3A19%3BRomans+8%3A26-27&version=KJV
 

hornetguy

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Compare your Bible version with the KJV and find out.

1 Peter 4:[SUP]19 [/SUP]Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator. KJV
Here is "my" version :rolleyes:.... the NASB

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Therefore, those also who suffer according to the will of God shall entrust their souls to a faithful Creator in doing what is right.
Much easier to understand....
 

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Compare your Bible version with the KJV and find out.

1 Peter 4:[SUP]19 [/SUP]Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator. KJV

Would you rather have the KJV's message that those that suffer entrust the keeping of their souls to Jesus Christ in doing a good job of that while the believers suffer or would you rather have a changed message that some Bibles do in having it about the believer doing a good job while they suffer, and some do it by keeping a commitment to the Lord religiously too?

So I would rather have the KJV's message of His promise to rest in Him that He will do a good job keeping my soul if and when I suffer.. as I do suffer now.. and He is keeping my soul well, rather than be striving to follow Him in doing the best I can while suffering to do so.

This is how I get to know Him & the power of His resurrection when I trust him for all things.

Romans 8:26-27 is about how the Holy Spirit has intercessions for us but He cannot even utter His own groanings in verse 26 which is why verse 27 exists to testify of HOW which is by the Son as the One that searches our hearts as Hebrews 4:12-16 confirms and thus He is the One that knows the mind of the Spirit to give the Spirit's unspoken intercessions to the Father because the Son, the man Christ Jesus, is the only Mediator between God and man ( 1 Timothy 2:5 )

Many believers today thinks they have the gift of tongues when they had a supernatural encounter apart from salvation when they felt a spirit coming over them in bringing this tongue but since it comes with no interpretation, they assume it is a prayer language of the Holy Spirit. BUT...

BUT in all Bibles in John 16:13, the Holy Spirit cannot speak for Himself, but speaks what He hears and so He cannot use tongues which is for speaking unto the people in their native tongues that is unknown to the tongue speaker ( 1 Corinthians 14:20-21 ) to turn that appointed gift around to serve as a means for uttering His intercessions to God by.

So all I can do is ask you to go before that throne of grace, trust Jesus Christ as your Good Shepherd, to see which Bible version you should rely on for the meat of His words to discern good & evil by Him in the KJV.

May He help you to see how modern Bibles have changed His words that they remove the meat for believers to discern good & evil and thus wind up supporting false teachings or false tongues that are not of Him at all but is found in the world as vain & profane babbling which is of the devil.

The Lord wants us to pray so that we may know what we had prayed for and give the Father genuine heartfelt thanks in Jesus's name for answers to prayers.

As it is, many believers have not tested the spirits, but believed every thing falling on them to be of God, including the tongues that it brings ( 1 John 4:1-6 ), thus falling away from the faith in giving heed to seducing spirits & doctrines of devils ( 1 Timothy 4:1-2 ) in promoting this second blessing which Paul warned against ( 2 Corinthians 11:1-4, 13:5 & 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 & 2 Thessalonians 3:1-7,14-15 )

You can compare the KJV with whatever Bible version you are using at Bible Gateway leaning on Him for wisdom to see which Bible He would have you rely on for the meat of His words;

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Peter+4%3A19%3BRomans+8%3A26-27&version=KJV
I second this! Well done enow
 

John146

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[/I]
The original mss were the only ones inspired. All others are copies, nothing more, nothing less. IOW, they're not inspired.[/I]
The original ten commandments were destroyed (written by God's own finger). Did God panic? Nope. He allowed Moses to make a copy and that copy was inspired by God.
 

hornetguy

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Have you confirmed that with Him at that throne of grace? No. You did not. What is more important? Your relationship with the Lord or defending your zingers which holds no substance nor scripture for such a vague rebuttal?
Ok... I will be less "vague", since you don't seem to comprehend what I was criticizing about your out of context scriptures.

John 14:[SUP]23 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.[SUP]24 [/SUP]He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

This is in NO way talking about preserving the "pure words" of God. It is about obeying the commands (words) that Jesus gave us. Keep his commandments. Way out of context for this discussion....

John 15:[SUP]20 [/SUP]Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

Again, this is saying "remember what I told you...." NOT saying to be sure you have the "pure words of God".... way out of context for this discussion.

Psalm 119:[SUP]157 [/SUP]Many are my persecutors and mine enemies; yet do I not decline from thy testimonies.[SUP]158 [/SUP]I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word.

In other words, "you didn't do what I told you to do" .... NOT "you failed to keep the pure words of God".... way out of context for this discussion.
 

John146

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The original ten commandments were destroyed (written by God's own finger). Did God panic? Nope. He allowed Moses to make a copy and that copy was inspired by God.
Let's make sure we don't put more emphasis on the "originals" than God does.
 
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The original ten commandments were destroyed (written by God's own finger). Did God panic? Nope. He allowed Moses to make a copy and that copy was inspired by God.
Moses was God's prophet. The translators in 17th England don't meet that standard. They were not inspired to translate His word into English.
 

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Jesus never spoke english. He could have, I am sure. But His words were recorded in Greek, no? He didn't speak Greek, but they were written/translated to Greek. Is this correct?
This is very interesting question.

I am quite sure Jesus was speaking in Greek, at least in some time. When speaking with Romans, Pilate, centurions, Syrian woman etc.

Its quite possible that many of His sayings in the New Testament are not translations to Greek at all.

The Bible and Interpretation - Did Jesus Speak Greek?
Did Jesus Speak Greek? - Mark D. Roberts
 
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Let's make sure we don't put more emphasis on the "originals" than God does.
No one has those original mss now. All we have are copies of those original mss. Those copies were not inspired whilst they were being copied.
 

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Bingo! A translation can be inspired, no?
I believe that any translation that is entered into with the prayerful request for God's guidance will end up being the words of God.

Translators in the 20th century are just as able to ask for, and receive God's guidance when doing their translation as the translators that King James employed were.
 
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even i dont believe the kjv is inspired.. come on guys.
 
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This is very interesting question.

I am quite sure Jesus were speaking in Greek, at least in some time. When speaking with Romans, Pilate, centurions, Syrian woman etc.

Its quite possible that many of His sayings in the New Testament are not translations to Greek at all.
This may be true. I would say He spoke many languages, if not all of them. But pure conjecture coming from me.
 

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I believe that any translation that is entered into with the prayerful request for God's guidance will end up being the words of God.

Translators in the 20th century are just as able to ask for, and receive God's guidance when doing their translation as the translators that King James employed were.
I believe that all of the major versions, revisions, translations of the bible are the inspired Word of God. I fully concur with your estimation.
 

trofimus

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This may be true. I would say He spoke many languages, if not all of them. But pure conjecture coming from me.
Sure, from His godly position.

But I mean that He practically used Greek in daily life and therefore many of His sayings in the NT does not have to be translations from Aramaic.