The King James Only Debate

[BigD9832]

If Lucifer comes from a mistake on the Septuagint then what relevancy does that have with the KJV if we are against Septuagint and use the Hebrew & Aramaic? I pasted the verses that all mentioned hell and gave the clear interpretation what translation do i need to give it if is already in English? The reason being is cus the KJV is the preserved word of God also for this very reason is why translation is important bc then bibles start teaching different things and people act like if it doesnt matter which bible to use.

I am not sure how it got into the KJV. Perhaps the king just liked the sound of it. You do know that if there was ever a dispute over any translation point it was brought to the king. The ONLY answer that the translators would ever give to the king was, "Yes your Majesty." End of discussion.


There is nothing pure or preserved by the KJV. If this is the only correct version than man had no "pure" or correct version for 1600 years. A long time to go without the precious Spirit of God.


You pasted a story about King Tyre, not Lucifer.


The word "lucifer" is only in the Bible once. Did you look it up in the Tanakh?

 

[JamesBejon]

No that would be clear criticism in the eyes of a scoffer they should clearly distinguish Joseph being Mary's partner, husband, dtc etc not a parent at all. Neither Mary just let her be a mother bc she had to birth him but God did not mate with her.

Okay, well the KJV reads in Luke 2.41: “Now his parents [i.e., Jesus’] went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover”. That leaves you, as I see it, with two options. The first is to stop reading the KJV and spend loads of time trashing it as a corrupt Bible on internet forums. The second is to accept that you’ve signed up to some fairly weird fringe view of the KJV--for what reason I don’t know--, to abandon it, and to get back to what really matters in Christianity, namely loving Jesus, spending time in prayer and Bible study (whatever version it happens to be, within reason), trying to do good and, by God’s grace, to love others and improve yourself as a Christian, and telling other people the good news about what Jesus has done for you. I hope that some of these things are helpful to you. It will take some soul-searching on your behalf and some re-evaluation of things you’ve come to believe, but it will be worth it in the long run. God bless, James.

 

[Dan_473]

No that would be clear criticism in the eyes of a scoffer they should clearly distinguish Joseph being Mary's partner, husband, dtc etc not a parent at all. Neither Mary just let her be a mother bc she had to birth him but God did not mate with her.

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ST. LUKE 2:27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,

 

[John146]

The point of reformation was the return to the beginnings, i.e. to the original texts. Not to some text from the middle ages. Guess why all the reformation translations were from the hebrew/greek and not from latin like all before.

Of course you can be saved without any Bible. No question about it.

But you can be also absolutely complete Christian without ever reading Ester or Rut. Do you think that we need every exact word in such books or else we are doctrinally corrupted? Can you show me why?

Matthew 4:4, But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Where are the words that God gave us, every word? Are they preserved some where? Do we have them? If we don't have them, can we truly live for the Lord according to Matthew 4:4?

 

[trofimus]

Matthew 4:4, But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Where are the words that God gave us, every word? Are they preserved some where? Do we have them? If we don't have them, can we truly live for the Lord according to Matthew 4:4?

Can you exactly show me how is any Christian made incomplete without ever reading majority of the Old Testament?

How is any Christian made incomplete by not knowing whether some king was 40 or 20 years old when he started to reign?

If you cant it will be a proof your understanding of the "living by every word of God" is wrong and it means something different than the need of a perfect Bible.

BTW, regarding the context of this verse, you should have no need to eat any food.

 

[Dan_473]

Matthew 4:4, But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Where are the words that God gave us, every word? Are they preserved some where? Do we have them? If we don't have them, can we truly live for the Lord according to Matthew 4:4?

we don't have every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.

ST. LUKE 2:46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.
ST. LUKE 2:47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.

 

[The_Bible]

I am not sure how it got into the KJV. Perhaps the king just liked the sound of it. You do know that if there was ever a dispute over any translation point it was brought to the king. The ONLY answer that the translators would ever give to the king was, "Yes your Majesty." End of discussion.


There is nothing pure or preserved by the KJV. If this is the only correct version than man had no "pure" or correct version for 1600 years. A long time to go without the precious Spirit of God.


You pasted a story about King Tyre, not Lucifer.


The word "lucifer" is only in the Bible once. Did you look it up in the Tanakh?

You don't know the story of how the KJV was made they were taken from the original Greek Manuscripts of the NT and the Masoretic texts that were Hebrew and Aramaic. We had the manuscripts preserved but they were kept mostly ONLY to the Catholics until Erasmus came and published it ig word for word so it could be translated into other languages and it was a process from their. Many people contributed like Martin Luther but the KJV is made from the last to editions of Theodore Beza & Stephanius. I keep saying King James did not have anything to do with the Bible but just give the authorization to edit it and revise it. The scholars were like 42 of them that all worked on it for 7 years. King James had other problems to worry about.

Lucifer is the only one described as satan look at the attributes.

Isaiah (14:12-14) - How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

2 Corinthians 11:14 - And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. (Lucifer = Luz aka light)

Ephesians 2:2 - Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: (Whom art thou fallen?, whom shall ascend unfo fhe heavens?, whom shall exalt his throne above the stars?)

Genesis 3:5 - For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Matthew 6:22 - The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

Revelation 12:9 - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Jude 6 - And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

The Bible clearly teaches angels not being the originals that God created but basically fallen angels who are going to be judged and this one particular angel named Lucifer which tranlated to light is the same as Satan.

 

[The_Bible]

we don't have every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.

ST. LUKE 2:46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.
ST. LUKE 2:47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.

What does that verse even prove? So what, Jesus a lier now? Idk about you but MY Bible has every word. Idk about your sword but my sword "is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart".

Ephesians 6:17 - And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Hebrews 4:12 - For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit,s quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

 

[The_Bible]

Can you exactly show me how is any Christian made incomplete without ever reading majority of the Old Testament?

How is any Christian made incomplete by not knowing whether some king was 40 or 20 years old when he started to reign?

If you cant it will be a proof your understanding of the "living by every word of God" is wrong and it means something different than the need of a perfect Bible.

BTW, regarding the context of this verse, you should have no need to eat any food.

We need to eat it clearly says not of bread ALONE and it adds the word of God. Idk what your reply means.

1 Peter (1:23-25) - Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

What seed are you born with? Is your seed corrupted by words that are truth or false? Your not defending a specific Bible but rather ALL other bibles I at least say it is the KJV. Your a liberal.

 

[KJV1611]

you are very generous when checking out the kjv. If you will use the same approach when dealing with the niv, the same set of 'weights', I'm pretty sure it will pass with flying colors.

PROVERBS 11:1 a just weight is the Lord's delight.

I do the same with the other versions. But how can I let a son of the gods slide? How is that the exact same spiritual concept as the son of God.

 

[The_Bible]

Okay, well the KJV reads in Luke 2.41: “Now his parents [i.e., Jesus’] went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover”. That leaves you, as I see it, with two options. The first is to stop reading the KJV and spend loads of time trashing it as a corrupt Bible on internet forums. The second is to accept that you’ve signed up to some fairly weird fringe view of the KJV--for what reason I don’t know--, to abandon it, and to get back to what really matters in Christianity, namely loving Jesus, spending time in prayer and Bible study (whatever version it happens to be, within reason), trying to do good and, by God’s grace, to love others and improve yourself as a Christian, and telling other people the good news about what Jesus has done for you. I hope that some of these things are helpful to you. It will take some soul-searching on your behalf and some re-evaluation of things you’ve come to believe, but it will be worth it in the long run. God bless, James.

par·ent
ˈperənt/
noun
plural noun: parents
1.
a father or mother.
"the parents of the bride"
synonyms: mother, father, birth/biological parent, progenitor; More
verb
3rd person present: parents
1.
be or act as a mother or father to (someone).
"the warmth and attention that are the hallmarks of good parenting"
synonyms: raise, bring up, look after, take care of, rear; hand-rear
"those who parent young children"
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Look at the definition of the word "parent" and you would say but the argument was, BUT the argument was whether you should call JOSEPH & MARY his parents when they DO NOT mention their names to confuse people into saying " Oh well ig this makes Joseph is father" that does not qualify for a what you try to argue on. Pick up and read a preserved word of God not a PER-VERSION.

 

[KJV1611]

what I don't understand is the point to all this in the first place... I can see defending ones faith, defending the defenseless or giving answer for the hope that dwells within us, but what I don't understand is why defend a particular version of the bible over any of the others ? is the Fathers arm shortened that now the message of Salvation and restoration is limited to mans versions of Holy writ? how about we just pray for guidance and be willing to sit at our Saviors feet a children learning pure doctrine from the Author himself, He is really not limited within any translation, if he can teach through his creation surely he is not limited to what man may think is best.. how about we trust in Him to reach the lost through us instead of us presuming to knw a better way?

My point is that people claim "errors" that aren't errors.

 

[KJV1611]

I wonder if only English speakers have this man made dilemma or do say Indonesian Christians debate on which is the best Javanese translation?

I do know that Kenyan's have this debate.

 

[oldethennew]

God's purpose, Sacrifice, and His principles are unique in this fallen-world to all of us who Love Him
and have been called by Him...for us, there is no debate or question, period...

 

[KJV1611]

I've read the Niv and never come away thinking that Jesus wasn't born from a virgin.

But my real favorite is the nirv.

The NIV preaches another Jesus, it's cut and dry. The NIV is wrong, Joseph was not Jesus father.

 

[KJV1611]

God's purpose, Sacrifice, and His principles are unique in this fallen-world to all of us who Love Him
and have been called by Him...for us, there is no debate or question, period...

That's right and his sheep hear his voice and ANOTHER they will not follow.

 

[KJV1611]

Okay, well the KJV reads in Luke 2.41: “Now his parents [i.e., Jesus’] went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover”. That leaves you, as I see it, with two options. The first is to stop reading the KJV and spend loads of time trashing it as a corrupt Bible on internet forums. The second is to accept that you’ve signed up to some fairly weird fringe view of the KJV--for what reason I don’t know--, to abandon it, and to get back to what really matters in Christianity, namely loving Jesus, spending time in prayer and Bible study (whatever version it happens to be, within reason), trying to do good and, by God’s grace, to love others and improve yourself as a Christian, and telling other people the good news about what Jesus has done for you. I hope that some of these things are helpful to you. It will take some soul-searching on your behalf and some re-evaluation of things you’ve come to believe, but it will be worth it in the long run. God bless, James.

I have a step son and I am his parent but I am not his father. There is a huge difference beween Joseph being a parent to Jesus verses Jesus being his father.

 

[Dan_473]

What does that verse even prove? So what, Jesus a lier now? Idk about you but MY Bible has every word. Idk about your sword but my sword "is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart".

Ephesians 6:17 - And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Hebrews 4:12 - For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit,s quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

the kjv doesn't have every word God spoke.

we don't know what answers Jesus gave at the temple.



wouldn't it be cool to know what he said as he expounded on here?

ST. LUKE 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

 

[Dan_473]

I do the same with the other versions. But how can I let a son of the gods slide? How is that the exact same spiritual concept as the son of God.

those are the words of Nebuchadnezzar.




like the queen says

DANIEL 5:10 Now the queen by reason of the words of the king and his lords came into the banquet house: and

the queen spake

and said, O king, live for ever: let not thy thoughts trouble thee, nor let thy countenance be changed:
DANIEL 5:11 There is a man in thy kingdom, in whom is

the spirit of the holy gods;

and in the days of thy father light and understanding and wisdom, like the wisdom of the gods, was found in him; whom the king Nebuchadnezzar thy father, the king, I say, thy father, made master of the magicians, astrologers, Chaldeans, and soothsayers;

 

[Dan_473]

The NIV preaches another Jesus, it's cut and dry. The NIV is wrong, Joseph was not Jesus father.

I don't get that impression from the Niv.


Who are the parents referred to here

ST. LUKE 2:27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,