The King James Only Debate
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No one is insinuating there is a mistake of or in God's word, you are claiming that is what we are implying. The original writings are inerrant and are God-breathed, all the translations we have (except the New World Translation, the book of Mormon, etc are perversions) do not deviate from any major doctrine of Christianity, it is clear in all of them that you must accept Jesus Christ as your personal Savior and sovereign Lord, that he died on the cross for your sins, and rose again on the third day. Finally, that you can start living a new life through Christ starting today if you repent (change your mind) and put your trust in Christ. These translations as their goal try to be as close to the original writings as possible. Some are thought for thought, paraphrase (The Message), very literal (NASB), etc but God uses them all to convict, correct, and change a person from the inside out. Leave this KJV-only cult, recant, repent, and reconcile to God. Thanks. God bless. 
Sorry but I sense you have not well read the thread and the other thread on the issue. Your preaching now, this is only a sort of discussions. You should have preached to the lost sinners, telling Christ to become their Saviour. Perhaps some in here does not yet have the saving knowledge of Christ. Your quick to judge, Hoho...
You must decide if you want to discuss Textus receptus vs NA vs Majority text or if you want to discuss KJV vs "modern translations".
Sometimes you make the mistake of comparing KJV to sinaiticus, sometimes of comparing Textus receptus (critical edition of multiple manuscripts) to sinaiticus (one manuscript) etc.
Thats why I have to correct you in my posts. Lets concentrate on one thing you have problem with and let us debate that.
For example sinaiticus or modern editions of Biblical Greek or KJV committee or the belief of someone or whatever, but do not jump between them.
Hoho.
Sometimes you make the mistake of comparing KJV to sinaiticus, sometimes of comparing Textus receptus (critical edition of multiple manuscripts) to sinaiticus (one manuscript) etc.
Thats why I have to correct you in my posts. Lets concentrate on one thing you have problem with and let us debate that.
For example sinaiticus or modern editions of Biblical Greek or KJV committee or the belief of someone or whatever, but do not jump between them.
Hoho.
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I actually do not understand the reason for such view (KJV Only). Maybe something between tradition, national fetish, wrong information about critical editions, reading only hostile KJV Only arctiles on the topic... I do not know.
I can understand what KJV Only guys here witnessed - that KJV is the only translation that satisfies them, makes the reading more interesting for them etc.
But I do not understand the hostility against everything different.
I can understand what KJV Only guys here witnessed - that KJV is the only translation that satisfies them, makes the reading more interesting for them etc.
But I do not understand the hostility against everything different.
First of all, the scholarship of the men who translated the King James Bible is literally unsurpassable by today's scholars. The men of the King James translation committee were scholars of unparalleled ability.
Secondly, it would be foolish and contradictory to believe that today's scholars ever could equal or surpass those of the Authorized Version.
Most Christians agree that the world, with time, degenerates. Morals have degenerated since 1611. Character has degenerated since 1611. Even our atmosphere has degenerated. Are we then to believe that education has gotten better? Education has degenerated along with the entire world system and could never produce a scholar equal to those of nearly four hundred years ago.
Secondly, it would be foolish and contradictory to believe that today's scholars ever could equal or surpass those of the Authorized Version.
Most Christians agree that the world, with time, degenerates. Morals have degenerated since 1611. Character has degenerated since 1611. Even our atmosphere has degenerated. Are we then to believe that education has gotten better? Education has degenerated along with the entire world system and could never produce a scholar equal to those of nearly four hundred years ago.
I agree.
But I dont think this is how the situation should be described. NIV (example) does not attack the word of God, it only uses another sources to translate from (from the majority view those sources are better than what KJV translators had).
I dont see them like some satanic group trying to destroy the Bible for us. This is the view I do not understand, why you have arrived to it. Why to be so extreme?
But I dont think this is how the situation should be described. NIV (example) does not attack the word of God, it only uses another sources to translate from (from the majority view those sources are better than what KJV translators had).
I dont see them like some satanic group trying to destroy the Bible for us. This is the view I do not understand, why you have arrived to it. Why to be so extreme?
I would never say the people who translated the new versions are of Satan, but Satan's attacks has always been against the word of God, to change the word of God even in subtle ways. One subtle change on what God has said perverts what God has said. With many versions, people are in doubt to what God has really said. The believer today does not cherish the Scriptures like we should and have no problem with their preacher telling them that, "this is a better translation if said this way." We've accepted Bible correcter's as our pastors. This scholarship is what is taught at most seminaries today.
Its like to say that doctors of the middle ages are unsurpassable by today's doctors.
I dont see how it could be possible. We know much more today.
I am still seeing no reason for making them such supermen.
I dont think that morals have degenerated. Nor Character. We have more political freedom, thats why some immoral things are not "covered in shadow" but are freely showed. And we have much much much more information. In middle ages, people of one village in England had no means of knowing what was going on in Saudi Arabia.
Its not possible to compare because of that.
I think that the majority of Christians accepts the biblical prophecy that in the last time "knowledge will increase". And I think you can see it everywhere around us. Right know you are using "magical witchcraft" - computer and internet. Something half of KJV translators would call magic.
I dont see how it could be possible. We know much more today.
I am still seeing no reason for making them such supermen.
I dont think that morals have degenerated. Nor Character. We have more political freedom, thats why some immoral things are not "covered in shadow" but are freely showed. And we have much much much more information. In middle ages, people of one village in England had no means of knowing what was going on in Saudi Arabia.
Its not possible to compare because of that.
I think that the majority of Christians accepts the biblical prophecy that in the last time "knowledge will increase". And I think you can see it everywhere around us. Right know you are using "magical witchcraft" - computer and internet. Something half of KJV translators would call magic.
This is not satan attacking the word of God, but more manuscripts discovered.
I dont see the "satanic" connection anywhere you see it.
Many versions = people doubt. One version = people do not doubt.
Many manuscripts = people doubt. One manuscript = people do not doubt.
Many theologies = people doubt. One theology = people do not doubt.
Many churches = people doubt. One church = people do not doubt.
But we are not talking about "people doubting", we are talking about what is the truth. To have only one option makes you "sure", but the certainity is only virtual, because of the lack of information/alternatives.
I dont see the "satanic" connection anywhere you see it.
Many versions = people doubt. One version = people do not doubt.
Many manuscripts = people doubt. One manuscript = people do not doubt.
Many theologies = people doubt. One theology = people do not doubt.
Many churches = people doubt. One church = people do not doubt.
But we are not talking about "people doubting", we are talking about what is the truth. To have only one option makes you "sure", but the certainity is only virtual, because of the lack of information/alternatives.
Nearly all of you only-ists use this same "claim"... out of curiosity, where do you find this in scripture. Satan's greatest attacks are against God's word???
It seems to me that most scripture indicates that Satan's attacks are mostly against US.... people... not words.
This is even quoted from the KJV, to help you understand.
That doesn't sound like he's looking for a translation to "corrupt"....
It seems to me that most scripture indicates that Satan's attacks are mostly against US.... people... not words.
This is even quoted from the KJV, to help you understand.
That doesn't sound like he's looking for a translation to "corrupt"....
And there is a reason why God revealed these "more manuscripts" to us.
They were not hidden from the Alexandria, they were not hidden from the Byzantine empire.
You must realize that the western Europe was under the influence of the Latin, because of the Roman church, thats why so few Greek manuscript there. I doubt you want to advocate for this.
Situation in the East was much more better.
They were not hidden from the Alexandria, they were not hidden from the Byzantine empire.
You must realize that the western Europe was under the influence of the Latin, because of the Roman church, thats why so few Greek manuscript there. I doubt you want to advocate for this.
Situation in the East was much more better.