The King James Only Debate

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Its to be spiritually born of God, to see the truth, to regret sins, to listen to the Holy Spirit, belief in the gospel etc.

Without it we are blind and dead in our sins... and we like it.

How do you define it?
It's our inner man, the Christ formed in us. The Christ formed in us comes from our knowledge of Christ.
 

The_Bible

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Huh? What exactly are you trying to say here? It's rather convoluted.
That wasn't specifically towards you just in general to those who say the KJV is not the ONLY uncorrupted word of God in English. I am saying if ya believe ya can use other bibles how do you handle sensitive topics such as slavery that many people seem to have trouble with, Christianity in particular, since it was used to justify slavery? Most bibles contain the words slave as I showed so then how would you explain them that the book is not racist and the religion made from racist white men?
 
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The KJV had nothing to do with King James except for giving the green light for the SCHOLARS to make it which they took 7 years. Whether the man was a homo mattered not if he didn't even contribute to the editing or revisions. Plus I doubt he was a sodomite.


That all seems highly unlikely. Seeing how King James hand picked the people who would make the KJV. And it took him about 25 years to give them the "green light." After some of them died mysteriously.


Can you back up anything that you are saying?
 

The_Bible

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I am well aware of the arguments claiming corruption in bibles. It doesn't mean I agree or accept them as valid. If an evolutionist presents evidence supporting his view, it doesn't mean he's right either.



I would encourage you to find the evidence for yourself. You are far more likely to accept it direct from the sources than from me. James White's The King James Only Controversy is a good start.



Once again, your meaning is difficult to determine, because your sentence structure is poor. This isn't a slight on you personally, just an area in which you could improve significantly.

If you want to quote the Preface to the Reader from the 1611 KJV, then do so... and read the part where it declares that, as Augustine said, it is profitable to study several different translations to get the full meaning of a passage... and the part where it says that even the meanest translation of the word of God is still the word of God. The Preface is no friend to the KJVo philosophy.

If I've understood your wording correctly, you are claiming that the KJV was translated from "the original manuscripts". That would be incorrect, because it (the NT anyway) was translated from published Greek editions, not from manuscripts.

By the way, why would I give two hoots what "the masons" (I presume you mean "Freemasons") say? They aren't a valid source of anything except perhaps information on the occult garbage they propagate. Their comments mean little to me.
Hah ofc your brainwashed you listen to James White, how about you start listening to Gail Riplinger or David Daniels from Cick Publications. Masons are obviously involved in religion. You think not? Like is obviousy they wish to be elite and you don't think they won't infiltrate churches? Like Aleister Crowley, the Church of Satan, Occultism? And you did not present a argument. The Greek editions were from the Greek manuscripts published by Erasmus.
 
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Hah ofc your brainwashed you listen to James White, how about you start listening to Gail Riplinger or David Daniels from Cick Publications. Masons are obviously involved in religion. You think not? Like is obviousy they wish to be elite and you don't think they won't infiltrate churches? Like Aleister Crowley, the Church of Satan, Occultism? And you did not present a argument. The Greek editions were from the Greek manuscripts published by Erasmus.
These people know nothing about the satanic attack on the bible... they can't even see the New Age Jesus in the newer translations. Actually these people don't know anything accept that they hate people who stand for the KJV.
 

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That all seems highly unlikely. Seeing how King James hand picked the people who would make the KJV. And it took him about 25 years to give them the "green light." After some of them died mysteriously.
Can you back up anything that you are saying?
I mean is pretty well known that he had scholars make the bible which was known "the authorized version" later credited to King James bc he was the king at the time. I don't understand him taking 25 years, where is evident he took that long and what would've mattered?

Who were the translators of the King James Bible?

"Royalty, Rumors and Racists"

https://www.chick.com/reading/books/158/158_03.asp?FROM=biblecenter
 

The_Bible

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These people know nothing about the satanic attack on the bible... they can't even see the New Age Jesus in the newer translations. Actually these people don't know anything accept that they hate people who stand for the KJV.
Idk how foolish can they be to pick up any random bible from the library shelf and say "great this bible definitely hasn't been tampered with and is reliable to read :D" like that was the first step I did when i started to take Christianity seriously I wondered with all these Bible versions was it safe to just pick a bible without it being corrupted or did there had to be ONE better than the rest in ways of accuracy.
 

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These people know nothing about the satanic attack on the bible... they can't even see the New Age Jesus in the newer translations. Actually these people don't know anything accept that they hate people who stand for the KJV.
presume much? you don't know me... and frankly it sounds a bit prideful for you to make such a statement of others you've never even met. fact is I and others a lot smarter then I can show errors in the text of the KJV as well as others... the truth doesn't come from a bible version , but from the author, and he clearly gives ALL believers the promise tha tHis spirit will guide and lead all into truth who seek it... maybe you should study more of our Saviors character and learn some lessons in the real love of our Savior toward fallen man and how you can share the good news on power through faith, not through mans opinions on what they THINK is best for others, if you feel led to only read the KJV then by all means obey , but unless you cite a direct command for everyone to do so does not mean you can presume to say whats good for others.
 
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presume much? you don't know me... and frankly it sounds a bit prideful for you to make such a statement of others you've never even met. fact is I and others a lot smarter then I can show errors in the text of the KJV as well as others... the truth doesn't come from a bible version , but from the author, and he clearly gives ALL believers the promise tha tHis spirit will guide and lead all into truth who seek it... maybe you should study more of our Saviors character and learn some lessons in the real love of our Savior toward fallen man and how you can share the good news on power through faith, not through mans opinions on what they THINK is best for others, if you feel led to only read the KJV then by all means obey , but unless you cite a direct command for everyone to do so does not mean you can presume to say whats good for others.
How many years have you been reading the KJV?
 

John146

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presume much? you don't know me... and frankly it sounds a bit prideful for you to make such a statement of others you've never even met. fact is I and others a lot smarter then I can show errors in the text of the KJV as well as others... the truth doesn't come from a bible version , but from the author, and he clearly gives ALL believers the promise tha tHis spirit will guide and lead all into truth who seek it... maybe you should study more of our Saviors character and learn some lessons in the real love of our Savior toward fallen man and how you can share the good news on power through faith, not through mans opinions on what they THINK is best for others, if you feel led to only read the KJV then by all means obey , but unless you cite a direct command for everyone to do so does not mean you can presume to say whats good for others.
After you got saved, let's say you never read any Scripture...do you think the Holy Spirit will teach you all the doctrines for the believer found in the word of God without reading or studying?
 

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presume much? you don't know me... and frankly it sounds a bit prideful for you to make such a statement of others you've never even met. fact is I and others a lot smarter then I can show errors in the text of the KJV as well as others... the truth doesn't come from a bible version , but from the author, and he clearly gives ALL believers the promise tha tHis spirit will guide and lead all into truth who seek it... maybe you should study more of our Saviors character and learn some lessons in the real love of our Savior toward fallen man and how you can share the good news on power through faith, not through mans opinions on what they THINK is best for others, if you feel led to only read the KJV then by all means obey , but unless you cite a direct command for everyone to do so does not mean you can presume to say whats good for others.
You do not need to meet the person when they're blatanly telling you they do not agree with the KJV and why not have a bit of pride when you know truth? Fact is I and others alot smarter than I can have arguments against these "errors" of the KJV. The truth is not longer absolute when it is being tampered with by corrupted people with evil intentions of just carelessly doing things. The word of God is a essential topic needed to fully try to comprehend scriptures therefore making it a must to accept a bible version to be superior if not infallible.


1 Peter (1:23-25) - Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

John 17:17 - Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Revelation (22:18-19) - For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of THIS BOOK, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in THIS BOOK: And if any man shall take away from the words of THE BOOK OF THIS PROPHECY, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in THIS BOOK.
 
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"The_Bible" you sound like a prideful, closed minded know it all eager to put others down for disagreeing with you. You will fit in perfectly here in the Bible Discussion Forums.
 

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"The_Bible" you sound like a prideful, closed minded know it all eager to put others down for disagreeing with you. You will fit in perfectly here in the Bible Discussion Forums.
And don't you forget it :D

1 Corinthians (2:15-16) - But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.


1 Timothy 2:7 - Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.


1 Corinthians 9:16 - For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!


Romans (1:16-17) - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
 
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trofimus

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After you got saved, let's say you never read any Scripture...do you think the Holy Spirit will teach you all the doctrines for the believer found in the word of God without reading or studying?
Some old woman in Siberia will not probably know why there are differences between minority and majority texts or what is KJV or how to explain prophecies in Daniel.

But if she lives in love to God and to others, I think she will be elevated above all who know "data", but are not living it.
 
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Idk how foolish can they be to pick up any random bible from the library shelf and say "great this bible definitely hasn't been tampered with and is reliable to read :D" like that was the first step I did when i started to take Christianity seriously I wondered with all these Bible versions was it safe to just pick a bible without it being corrupted or did there had to be ONE better than the rest in ways of accuracy.


Actually I generally like what you have to say. I may have been a bit hasty before.


Tampered with? It's a definite possibility. But can we prove it?


It seems to me that much of the "mistakes" in the KJV can be attributed to the language and the Modern Greek manuscripts. The Ancient Koine Greek manuscripts come to us from about 420 - 450 ad. They are...


Codex Varicanus (a & b)
Codex Alexandrinus
Codex Sinaiticus


These are the oldest and most complete manuscripts that we have today.


Compare those with the Modern Greek manuscripts that come to us from about 1500 ad. About 1000 years later. This would include the Textus Receptus. There are about 15,000 Modern Greek manuscripts.


It would be naive to imagine that the words from Ancient Greek (when the NT was penned) and the Modern Greek language did not change at all in 1000 years. Alot can happen in 1000 years.


Ancient Koine Greek was a pretty primitive language. It started out as a fisherman's language. Most words have just one definition. Modern Greek is actually the same language, just about 1000 years later.


The KJV used mostly materiel that came from Tyndale's English version. Of course Tyndale was burned at the stake by the King of England for providing the Bible to the populous in their native language... English.


I just think that there are plenty of changes made just over time. But I can show that there have been definite changes made by the KJV to the text.


I may do just that as time goes on here.

 
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"The_Bible" you sound like a prideful, closed minded know it all eager to put others down for disagreeing with you. You will fit in perfectly here in the Bible Discussion Forums.
CLV Mt 7:1 "Do not judge, lest you may be judged,

Very few things Jesus told us NOT to do. But this is one of them.
 

trofimus

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CLV Mt 7:1 "Do not judge, lest you may be judged,

Very few things Jesus told us NOT to do. But this is one of them.
"Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly."
John 7:24

We can judge. But we should not judge others quickly and unjustly.
 

p_rehbein

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CLV Mt 7:1 "Do not judge, lest you may be judged,

Very few things Jesus told us NOT to do. But this is one of them.

Hmm.........

Seems to me, Jesus told us a WHOLE BUNCH of things NOT TO DO.......but, now, that may just be me.

Say, do you believe in the Holy Trinity? Is Jesus God?
 

John146

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Some old woman in Siberia will not probably know why there are differences between minority and majority texts or what is KJV or how to explain prophecies in Daniel.

But if she lives in love to God and to others, I think she will be elevated above all who know "data", but are not living it.
Absolutely agreed. Without charity we are nothing.