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ἀναγεγεννημένοι οὐκ ἐκ σπορᾶς φθαρτῆς, ἀλλὰ ἀφθάρτου, διὰ λόγου ζῶντος θεοῦ καὶ μένοντος εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα.
(RP Byzantine text)
- through the word of living God
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And now, see the difference here:
ἐραυνᾶτε τὰς γραφάς, ὅτι ὑμεῖς δοκεῖτε ἐν αὐταῖς ζωὴν αἰώνιον ἔχειν· καὶ ἐκεῖναί εἰσιν αἱ μαρτυροῦσαι περὶ ἐμοῦ·
"You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. (J 5:39, NIV)
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What do you think that the KJV is?
a) "Word of God", i.e. "Logos tu Theu" which gives life?
b) Translation and edition of "Scriptures", i.e. "graphas", which pharisees wrongly thought it can give them life?
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My response:
We are born again by/through the word of God (or Word of God?). By his declared will.
We are not born again by reading writings, editions, Scriptures, which is the KJV, NIV, ESV etc.
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I believe the KJV is the word of God and the Word of God. The vehicle which Christ choses to manifest himself to the world, either in a human body, written words, or through visions makes no difference, it is still the Spirit of Christ manifest to the world.
What scripture says that we are born again by his declared will? I mean exactly that, we are born againg by his declared will, not the assumption that being chosen or saved is by God's declared will, I mean where does the bible say we are BORN AGAIN by God's declared will?
What scripture says that we are born again by his declared will? I mean exactly that, we are born againg by his declared will, not the assumption that being chosen or saved is by God's declared will, I mean where does the bible say we are BORN AGAIN by God's declared will?
"Declared will" was just my illustration of what the word of God is. That it is not a book, it is not a translation, it is not anything material, Scriptures are material. Which is a difference.
It seems to me that if some king said His will (words of king), somebody wrote it down (scripture), somebody translated it to English, you would say that the translation is the king?
It seems to me you are saying the same with Bible - that it is the Word of God (Christ). Which it is not, like a photography of you is not you.
It seems to me that if some king said His will (words of king), somebody wrote it down (scripture), somebody translated it to English, you would say that the translation is the king?
It seems to me you are saying the same with Bible - that it is the Word of God (Christ). Which it is not, like a photography of you is not you.
Hebrews 4:12 KJV
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Is this verse talking about the Word of God or the word of God?
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Is this verse talking about the Word of God or the word of God?
It surelly is not talking about Scriptures (i.e. about the KJV 
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Scriptures can represent the word of God, but neither in its perfectness nor in its whole. (Like photography is not you, Bible is not God)
)Scriptures can represent the word of God, but neither in its perfectness nor in its whole. (Like photography is not you, Bible is not God)
Of course we can get to know about Christ, about his personality, character etc.
But it is in vain if He is not living in us and if we do not have a personal relationship with Him.
"Depart from me... I never knew you" - we can think we know Him, but knowing Him is about daily walking with Him. It is not a knowledge gained by reading.
But it is in vain if He is not living in us and if we do not have a personal relationship with Him.
"Depart from me... I never knew you" - we can think we know Him, but knowing Him is about daily walking with Him. It is not a knowledge gained by reading.
Do you have some example from the Bible, where the Bible is called "word of God" or even "the word of God"? (Greek : logos tu Theu).
Because I think there is a significant difference between "word of God", Scriptures and Bible.
And I think that because you make them synonyms and use it as you wish by chance, you got to KJV Onlyism.
Because I think there is a significant difference between "word of God", Scriptures and Bible.
And I think that because you make them synonyms and use it as you wish by chance, you got to KJV Onlyism.
Is not Scripture the words given by God to man, and man preserved the words by writing it down(script) as he was moved by the Holy Spirit?
2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Romans 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
There was no written Scripture at the time of this confrontation, and yet Scripture spoke to Pharaoh. Scripture is equated to God's word given to Moses to Aaron to Pharaoh. How did Timothy know holy Scripture if not preserved by God through the writings of men as they were moved by the Holy Spirit?
2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Romans 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
There was no written Scripture at the time of this confrontation, and yet Scripture spoke to Pharaoh. Scripture is equated to God's word given to Moses to Aaron to Pharaoh. How did Timothy know holy Scripture if not preserved by God through the writings of men as they were moved by the Holy Spirit?
No, I do not know that.
1. Word of God - sayings, commands, prophecies, declared will given by God
2. Scriptures - writings made by inspired authors or by their company
3. Manuscripts - hand-made copies of various Scriptures made by people, not inspired
4. Text editions - critical text of selected books made by comparing various manuscripts, not inspired
5. Bible - translation of text editions to various languages made by people, not inspired
You make a jump in your assumptions and say that the very Bible you have in our home in 2017 is what was in the beginning, the word of God.
Can you prove it somehow? Because I think you use these terms wrongly.
1. Word of God - sayings, commands, prophecies, declared will given by God
2. Scriptures - writings made by inspired authors or by their company
3. Manuscripts - hand-made copies of various Scriptures made by people, not inspired
4. Text editions - critical text of selected books made by comparing various manuscripts, not inspired
5. Bible - translation of text editions to various languages made by people, not inspired
You make a jump in your assumptions and say that the very Bible you have in our home in 2017 is what was in the beginning, the word of God.
Can you prove it somehow? Because I think you use these terms wrongly.