The KJV Only & The Textus Receptus Only - a continuous thread

[John146]

No, I do not know that.

1. Word of God - sayings, commands, prophecies, declared will given by God
2. Scriptures - writings made by inspired authors or by their company
3. Manuscripts - hand-made copies of various Scriptures made by people, not inspired
4. Text editions - critical text of selected books made by comparing various manuscripts, not inspired
5. Bible - translation of text editions to various languages made by people, not inspired

You make a jump in your assumptions and say that the very Bible you have in our home in 2017 is what was in the beginning, the word of God.

Can you prove it somehow? Because I think you use these terms wrongly.

Again, Scripture spoke to Pharaoh. This was not written Scripture, but the spoken word of God. There is no difference, one and the same.

Romans 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

 

[trofimus]

Again, Scripture spoke to Pharaoh. This was not written Scripture, but the spoken word of God. There is no difference, one and the same.

Romans 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

Well, you must understand what you read, a little.

No, Scripture was not talking to Pharaoh. This verse is just a shortage of "what Scripture records that was told to Pharaoh".

 

[John146]

Well, you must understand what you read, a little.

No, Scripture was not talking to Pharaoh. This verse is just a shortage of "what Scripture records that was told to Pharaoh".

I let it stand as it reads, no private interpretation. God said what He meant, and meant what He said. Scripture is the word of God. Just as Scripture, God's word, was talking to Pharaoh, Scripture, God's word, talks to me when I read it.

 

[Bogadile]

I let it stand as it reads, no private interpretation. God said what He meant, and meant what He said. Scripture is the word of God. Just as Scripture, God's word, was talking to Pharaoh, Scripture, God's word, talks to me when I read it.

Lets play this wooden literalism out:
So a book that was not yet written at the time of Pharaoh spoke to him?
You do know that Exodus was not written before the things that happened in the book of Exodus happened?
My goodness.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I let it stand as it reads, no private interpretation. God said what He meant, and meant what He said. Scripture is the word of God. Just as Scripture, God's word, was talking to Pharaoh, Scripture, God's word, talks to me when I read it.

There are also other Scriptures where the written Word of God is referred to as God Himself. Here is one example (Heb 4:12,13)

12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

 

[Bogadile]

There are also other Scriptures where the written Word of God is referred to as God Himself. Here is one example (Heb 4:12,13)

12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

Are you saying Hebrews 4:12 is about the Bible?

 

[preacher4truth]

Are you saying Hebrews 4:12 is about the Bible?

Sort of. My guess is he believes it is about the KJV.

 

[Bogadile]

Sort of. My guess is he believes it is about the KJV.

Oh boy.
I have asked a ton of times and no one has answered:
What is the word of God for the finnish speaking people? I got a bunch of people in my family who do not read nor speak english. We are a bunch of hillbillies from the countryside is why.

 

[John146]

Lets play this wooden literalism out:
So a book that was not yet written at the time of Pharaoh spoke to him?
You do know that Exodus was not written before the things that happened in the book of Exodus happened?
My goodness.

Exactly my point. Scripture is equated with the word of God. The word of God and Scripture is interchangeable.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Yeah that would be me you're calling stupid... the fruit of the spirit is all over you lol.

No one is saved w/o being regenerated and vice versa. If one is born again, they're saved. If one is saved, they're born again.

You said you were saved by reading the NIV but born again after reading the KJV. That concept is foreign to the bible.

 

[Locutus]

Well, you must understand what you read, a little.

No, Scripture was not talking to Pharaoh. This verse is just a shortage of "what Scripture records that was told to Pharaoh".

Exactly, it was Moses that spoke the words to Fairo given him by God.


(Exo 9:13 KJV) And the LORD said unto Moses, Rise up early in the morning, and stand before Pharaoh, and say unto him, Thus saith the LORD God of the Hebrews, Let my people go, that they may serve me.

(Exo 9:14 KJV) For I will at this time send all my plagues upon thine heart, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like me in all the earth.

(Exo 9:15 KJV) For now I will stretch out my hand, that I may smite thee and thy people with pestilence; and thou shalt be cut off from the earth.

(Exo 9:16 KJV) And in very deed for this cause have I raised thee up, for to show in thee my power; and that my name may be declared throughout all the earth.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Oh boy.
I have asked a ton of times and no one has answered:
What is the word of God for the finnish speaking people? I got a bunch of people in my family who do not read nor speak english. We are a bunch of hillbillies from the countryside is why.

According to the KJVO stance, they're doomed. The KJV is the word of God. All other versions are corrupted.

 

[Locutus]

Oh boy.
I have asked a ton of times and no one has answered:
What is the word of God for the finnish speaking people? I got a bunch of people in my family who do not read nor speak english. We are a bunch of hillbillies from the countryside is why.

King Finn Version??

Get yerselves a king already...

 

[Dino246]

There are also other Scriptures where the written Word of God is referred to as God Himself. Here is one example (Heb 4:12,13)

12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

In verse 13, whose sight and eyes is it talking about? Those of the word of God, or those of God? Does the word of God have eyes and sight? That's a stretch. I suggest that the most natural way to understand this passage is that verse 13 is referring to God Himself, not to the word of God.

 

[Bogadile]

According to the KJVO stance, they're doomed. The KJV is the word of God. All other versions are corrupted.

I truly hope this is not the answer they give. But the scary thing is, they dodge my question so i hope that they do not think my grandma is not saved because she does not read the right manuscript bible.

I have noted that *anyversiononlyism* is an american thing entirely. No group in Europe Africa or Asia holds to anything like that.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Are you saying Hebrews 4:12 is about the Bible?

What else?

And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God (Eph 6:17).

 

[Nehemiah6]

In verse 13, whose sight and eyes is it talking about? Those of the word of God, or those of God? Does the word of God have eyes and sight? That's a stretch. I suggest that the most natural way to understand this passage is that verse 13 is referring to God Himself, not to the word of God.

Why are you deliberately avoiding the connection between verses 12 and 13?

...and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight...

 

[Nehemiah6]

What is the word of God for the finnish speaking people? .

I have given you a link in another thread. Just go to BibleHub.com and you will find a Finnish Reformation Bible.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I truly hope this is not the answer they give. But the scary thing is, they dodge my question so i hope that they do not think my grandma is not saved because she does not read the right manuscript bible.

I have noted that *anyversiononlyism* is an american thing entirely. No group in Europe Africa or Asia holds to anything like that.

Other countries haven't had to deal with...

Gail Riplinger
Peter Ruckman
Sam Gipp
Steven Anderson

Just to name a few...

 

[SovereignGrace]

I have given you a link in another thread. Just go to BibleHub.com and you will find a Finnish Reformation Bible.

But that's not a KJV. And the KJV is the word of God, per ye blokes.