The Lake of Fire
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Journeyman, you are saying all the unbelievers will be killed at Christs second coming? Wait a minute, all those "In Christ" will be transformed but scripture says there will be a remnant of every nation to start the millennium. You don't think Christ will have to rule saints with a rod of iron, do you? (see Rev. 12:5).
Hahaha... You go ahead and tell an atheist they will be separated from God as punishment and they will laugh in your face. I don't know how this ever got popular but it is not a deterrent.
Hahaha... You go ahead and tell an atheist they will be separated from God as punishment and they will laugh in your face. I don't know how this ever got popular but it is not a deterrent.
Journeyman, you are saying all the unbelievers will be killed at Christs second coming? Wait a minute, all those "In Christ" will be transformed but scripture says there will be a remnant of every nation to start the millennium. You don't think Christ will have to rule saints with a rod of iron, do you? (see Rev. 12:5).
Hahaha... You go ahead and tell an atheist they will be separated from God as punishment and they will laugh in your face. I don't know how this ever got popular but it is not a deterrent.
Hahaha... You go ahead and tell an atheist they will be separated from God as punishment and they will laugh in your face. I don't know how this ever got popular but it is not a deterrent.
The "rod of iron" that God rules by is his word. He always has,
But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. Isa.11:4
Brother, it's imperative to see this. This world never ruled over Jesus. Not ever. In the days of his flesh, he ruled over enemies way above mankind. All of them. Look at this,
Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Lk.10:19
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations, And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. Rev.2:26-27
In Christ we already have the power. The unbelievers simply didn't know it. They saw his strength weakness. When they see us in glory, its too late for them.
But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. Isa.11:4
Brother, it's imperative to see this. This world never ruled over Jesus. Not ever. In the days of his flesh, he ruled over enemies way above mankind. All of them. Look at this,
Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Lk.10:19
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations, And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. Rev.2:26-27
In Christ we already have the power. The unbelievers simply didn't know it. They saw his strength weakness. When they see us in glory, its too late for them.
What are you amillennial? I suppose you think Satan is bound right now, right? The world system is under man's dominion in this era (Gen. 1:28). Satan pretty much run this world by his influence upon man. Christ even acknowledged that (see Matt. 4:8, 9). That is okay, it will not last much longer. Then we will see the physical Kingdom of God. Ultimately, God does reign supreme but He is doing things a little different right now.
What are you amillennial? I suppose you think Satan is bound right now, right? The world system is under man's dominion in this era (Gen. 1:28). Satan pretty much run this world by his influence upon man. Christ even acknowledged that (see Matt. 4:8, 9). That is okay, it will not last much longer. Then we will see the physical Kingdom of God. Ultimately, God does reign supreme but He is doing things a little different right now.
But everyone else is a bit ignorant of his special powers. I'm just waitng for my invite to come sup with Jesus in the new Jerusalem. At the moment, it doesnt seem possible. i mean what with terrorism and all in the middle east.
Judgement - ones views on the outcome, spring from the purpose and validity of judgement.
Will innocent babies be tormented in hell for eternity?
Is heaven a place of choice and free will, an expression of our hearts or a robot reality of obedience?
How do we achieve this place of choice and free will if our hearts are impossibly distorted?
Are we pure perfect spirit with a fallen fleshly nature, to be separated at the last day?
You can end up with people saying they follow Jesus, yet divide over these very issues, and what it means
to know Jesus.
Will sinners who know how to love and care be condemned? Or is there something more fundamentally
wrong, when we believe we are loving something else is going on?
I was struck when a famous atheist claimed their morality showed how deluded people were in religious beliefs.
What they failed to see was their whole emotional framework of self worth and value was embedded in their
family and social background, not in belief at all, yet they spoke as if their belief founded their perspective.
This idea we value outside our humanity and emotional ties leads many to pompous declarations of security and
knowledge. Equally in faith, it is hard to see value, when we are so embedded in our own loyalties.
Will innocent babies be tormented in hell for eternity?
Is heaven a place of choice and free will, an expression of our hearts or a robot reality of obedience?
How do we achieve this place of choice and free will if our hearts are impossibly distorted?
Are we pure perfect spirit with a fallen fleshly nature, to be separated at the last day?
You can end up with people saying they follow Jesus, yet divide over these very issues, and what it means
to know Jesus.
Will sinners who know how to love and care be condemned? Or is there something more fundamentally
wrong, when we believe we are loving something else is going on?
I was struck when a famous atheist claimed their morality showed how deluded people were in religious beliefs.
What they failed to see was their whole emotional framework of self worth and value was embedded in their
family and social background, not in belief at all, yet they spoke as if their belief founded their perspective.
This idea we value outside our humanity and emotional ties leads many to pompous declarations of security and
knowledge. Equally in faith, it is hard to see value, when we are so embedded in our own loyalties.
Yes. The current creation being exposed to fire is purified
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 2Pet.3:7, 13
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 2Pet.3:7, 13
Look at this way. matthew 13:24-51
Read the parables Jesus even explains them esp regarding tares being gathered and burned but wheat being saved and gathered into a barn.
Are we tares to be burned or wheat to be saved? Well I dont know about you but i think believers are all in the wheat catgeory! The disciples asked Jesus if they could gather but Jesus said no he dont want the wheat to be gathered he wanted them to grow together and then he was going to burn the tares first. Then the wheat could be gathered.
The reapers arent going to burn the wheat! Just the tares. This is the end of the world. We will witness the devil being burned but we ourselves wont be burned. I dont know who promotes the idea that any child of God would be burned.
Read the parables Jesus even explains them esp regarding tares being gathered and burned but wheat being saved and gathered into a barn.
Are we tares to be burned or wheat to be saved? Well I dont know about you but i think believers are all in the wheat catgeory! The disciples asked Jesus if they could gather but Jesus said no he dont want the wheat to be gathered he wanted them to grow together and then he was going to burn the tares first. Then the wheat could be gathered.
The reapers arent going to burn the wheat! Just the tares. This is the end of the world. We will witness the devil being burned but we ourselves wont be burned. I dont know who promotes the idea that any child of God would be burned.