The Law is Good

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Is the Law Good

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tek

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DavidF: The Law did a lot more than attempt.
Sabath and the whole LAW is only a shadow of Christ.

Collosians 2:16-17 …sabbaths which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.


A shadow is an area where direct light from a light source cannot reach due to obstruction by an object. It occupies all of the space behind an opaque object with light in front of it.

That's what I mean
 

zone

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Matthew 19

He did not Love Yahvah God...

Matthew 6
AMEN loveme.
very good:D

and that means the poor soul was deluded from the start by thinking he had "kept all these" from his youth.
he didn't recognize The Messiah (God), neither did he love the One he said he did.

continue to bless us with your wisdom
zone
 
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Laodicea

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Sabath and the whole LAW is only a shadow of Christ.

Collosians 2:16-17 …sabbaths which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.


A shadow is an area where direct light from a light source cannot reach due to obstruction by an object. It occupies all of the space behind an opaque object with light in front of it.

That's what I mean
The ceremonial Sabbaths are a shadow because they pointed to Christ's redemptive work, the ceremonial Sabbaths were given about 2000 years after sin entered this world. The 7th day Sabbath is a memorial of creation and does not point forward to anything so is not a shadow. The 7th day Sabbath was given before sin entered this world. Only 2 things remain from creation that is the 7th day Sabbath and family.
 
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haz

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I Obey out of Love, not out of Fear... here's the thing though. If you Don't Obey, it is a sure sign you do not Love Jesus.
I never claim to be perfect, If I was I would not need Jesus.

Yes, I keep the commandments as best I can, not perfectly... don't you? Which commandment do you believe its OK to ignore? Murder? Adultery? Stealing? Covet? Not Honorinig Parents? Worshipping Idols? Sabbath?
What level of obedience is determined as obeying/keeping the commandments and thus loving Jesus?

Keeping the commandments means keeping them perfectly. But you speak of some ambiguous level of obedience being enough.
James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

How do you know if your level of obedience is the correct level? Do you have scripture to support what is the correct level of almost obeying/keeping the commandments?
 

tek

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The 7th day Sabbath is a memorial of creation
What difference does it make whether 7th day Sabbath is a memorial of creation. Jesus is the author of the whole creation. He himself came into the world. There is a new creation going on.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

We better make sure that we’ve got “the memorial” of new creation by having Holy Spirit living in our heart.

2 Corinthians 1:22….and he has identified us as his own by placing the Holy Spirit in our hearts as the first installment of everything he will give us.

There is no better memorial than that

The 7th day Sabbath was given before sin entered this world.
What difference does it make that whether it was given before sin entered the world? What makes it so special? Where in the Bible does it say that just because something happened before sin entered the world it is much more important than what happened afterwards? Where does this idea come from?

Holy Spirit entered the world. How about that? How much more profound that is?
The 7th day Sabbath is a memorial of creation and does not point forward to anything so is not a shadow
Of course it points forward. Just think about it. Why would God need a rest? How could God get tired? Is it because he had no breakfast?

Sabbath was meant to provide the sacred time to feel one with our God Creator and Friend and to provide our tired spirits with nurturing and healing and to give us the time to enjoy the world in silence and respect. In that respect Sabbath is only a shadow of what prayer and communion with a comforter can do

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

The ceremonial Sabbaths are a shadow because they pointed to Christ's redemptive work,
Which Sabbath is more important ceremonial Sabbath or the 7th day Sabbath? Ceremonial of course. If Ceremonial Sabbath is a shadow how much more a 7th day Sabbath is a shadow?

If you are not convinced with Col 2:16-17 here is verse about the law having a shadow. The word “law” certainly encompasses the 7th day Sabbath

Heb 10:1For the law having a shadow…..

Why would law have a shadow?

Because Law is an opaque object and direct light from a light source cannot reach due to obstruction by it. What light is it? Here it is

John 8:12….. I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life
 
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Laodicea

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Psalms 19:7-8 KJV
(7) The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
(8) The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
Psalms 119:151-152,
172 KJV
(151) Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth.
(152) Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever.
(172) My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.
Romans 7:12 KJV
(12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.


These texts also show that the Law is:perfect, sure, right, pure, holy, just, good, truth, for ever, righteousness.


 

tek

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These texts also show that the Law is:perfect, sure, right, pure, holy, just, good, truth, for ever, righteousness.
Of course the LAW is a perfect shadow. How can a shadow of the Lord be not perfect?


Peter’s shadow was thought to be miraculous


Acts 5:15 Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them.


How much more Jesus’ shadow is overwhelming?


The shadow is only a shadow. It will always be a shadow. It will never be a substitute for the real thing


The LAW is perfect and Holy and Good but your HEART is not.

Let's go through this passage

Heb 8:7-10 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them,


Your heart is faulty


he saith , Behold , the days come , saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not , saith the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts:


because Holy Spirit will be living in your heart. That’s what so significant now


It’s not about following a shadow anymore. It’s about having the real thing in your heart. You have to make sure that you've got the real thing now. That's what Jesus is about. That's what Holy Spirit is about. That's what New Testament is about. You can follow a shadow all your life and be really good at it, by lying in bed every Sabbath or anything like that, and yet never get the real thing
 
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psychomom

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Of course it points forward. Just think about it. Why would God need a rest? How could God get tired? Is it because he had no breakfast?
And perhaps it's important to note that the Lord 'rested' from His work of creation...

had He 'rested' from all He does, everything would have flung apart! ;)

He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
(Col. 1:17)

ps--I do not mean to speak against those who observe the seventh day.
Only those who insist it's needed for righteousness in the Lord's eyes. :)

sincerely,
ellie
 
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LawofLove

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What difference does it make whether 7th day Sabbath is a memorial of creation.
What difference does it make that whether it was given before sin entered the world?


Well the Sabbath points us to who the creator is. We know where our year comes from and we know where the month comes from but the week only comes from the bible which points to the creator. It sets us apart from any other Religion all religions can clam they follow 9 of the 10 commandments but if they clam to follow the 4th about the Sabbath can only mean one thing, that they worship the creator God Jesus that's why the Sabbath is also a sign of sanctification( eze 20:12 ). God also set apart the Sabbath from the other 6 as holy no other day did he make holy. And the fact that we still keep the Sabbath on the New earth ( Isa 66:23 ) Means its not a shadow of things to come It means that God still wants us to worship on the Sabbath to praise him for being the creator from the start. And the Sabbath was around before man need to be remade so Sabbath can therefor not being talking about the New man made when he is reborn.





Which Sabbath is more important ceremonial Sabbath or the 7th day Sabbath?
The ceremonial Sabbaths are just that for ceremonial things in relation to the temple. But the 7th day Sabbath was made meany years before a temple was needed that is before sin.
 

tek

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But the 7th day Sabbath was made meany years before a temple was needed that is before sin.
What difference does it make that whether it was given before sin entered the world? What makes it so special? Where in the Bible does it say that just because something happened before sin entered the world it is much more important than what happened afterwards? Where does this idea come from?

Holy Spirit entered the world. How about that? How much more profound that is?
 

tek

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Sabbath sets us apart from any other Religion
Christians treating Sunday as Sabbath actually signifies a monumental event in the entire history that Jesus was raised on Sunday

The fact that people rest on Sunday is actually one of the proofs that resurrection did occur. Otherwise people would still work on Sundays
 

tek

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The various elements of the Sabbath symbolized the coming of the Messiah, who would provide a permanent rest for His people. Once again the example of resting from our labors comes into play. With the establishment of the Old Testament Law, the Jews were constantly “laboring” to make themselves acceptable to God. Their labors included trying to obey a myriad of do’s and don’ts of the ceremonial law, the Temple law, the civil law, etc. Of course they couldn’t possibly keep all those laws, so God provided an array of sin offerings and sacrifices so they could come to Him for forgiveness and restore fellowship with Him, but only temporarily. Just as they began their physical labors after a one-day rest, so, too, did they have to continue to offer sacrifices. Hebrews 10:1 tells us that the law “can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.” But these sacrifices were offered in anticipation of the ultimate sacrifice of Christ on the cross, who ”after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right of God” (Hebrews 10:12). Just as He rested after performing the ultimate sacrifice, He sat down and rested—ceased from His labor of atonement because there was nothing more to be done, ever. Because of what He did, we no longer have to “labor” in law-keeping in order to be justified in the sight of God. Jesus was sent so that we might rest in God and in what He has provided
taken from Zone post
 
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LawofLove

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uh...what about Judaism?
We are all Spiritual Jews:
Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Spiritual Israel New covenant:
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
 
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eternally-gratefull

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We are all Spiritual Jews:
Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Spiritual Israel New covenant:
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
what does that have to do with what Zone said? She questioned the comment which said only true Christendom follows the sabbath. When those who follow Judaism (which are not followers of God) do also.
 
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tek

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We are all Spiritual Jews
we are neither Jews nor Gentiles

“For you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you be Christ's, then are you Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

· Galatians 3:26–29
 
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LawofLove

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we are neither Jews nor Gentiles

“For you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you be Christ's, then are you Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

· Galatians 3:26–29
Being a Spiritual Jews has nothing to do with racial differences. Only people of faith are of Abraham Gal 3:7.
 

tek

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Being a Spiritual Jews has nothing to do with racial differences.
There is no spiritual Jew
There is no spiritual Italian
There is no spiritual Arab
There is no spiritual French
There is no spiritual Russian
There is no spiritual German
Shall I carry on?
“For you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus….”
· Galatians 3:26–29