I want to see what people think of this. We know about the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. The Old was full of 'laws that were against us', and the New abolished those 'hostile laws'. I usually refer to the New Covenant as 'the Law of Grace'. This term never appears in the Bible, I don't think, but other terms appear in its place such as 'law of God, law of the Spirit of Life, law of Life, perfect law of liberty', etc. I want to start a discussion on this and see what everyone has received or learned about 'the Law of Grace' as well as share some things on it from the aspect of it where I've been learning. So, what does everyone think of 'the Law of Grace' and its meaning (why it would be called that)?
The Law of Grace
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And to add to what Lao said, grace has always been there, it shows many times in the OT. Also no where in scripture does it say the Torah(Law) was ever abolished. And just for info, it actually is not OT, and NT. It is the covenant YHVH gave us through Abraham, through Moses and then the Brit Hadeshah(renewed covenant) Yeshua came and restored the covenant. Shalom
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I thought this would be hard. Yes, Grace has always been since before God created the worlds.
In Col. 2, Paul says, "And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us." Here, Paul is talking mainly of the written regulations from the OT.
He continues, "And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it." It wasn't just the list of laws from the Old Covenant that was hostile to us; this includes all laws (most of them unspoken, really) that can be hostile to us. This is why Paul included 'principalities and powers'; these are spirits that are always, like lawyers or masters of law, using spiritual/invisible Laws against people wherever they can. When there is a higher Law (the Law of Grace) than what they use (spiritual Laws that govern the spiritual dimensions), then they and the Laws they use must bow or submit to the higher Law which Jesus' life, death, resurrection, and ascension won for mankind.
Paul finishes, "So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ... Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 'Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,' which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men?"
I know the 10 Commandments weren't abolished. I'm talking about what Paul meant when he talks about laws "hostile to us." This is apparently talking about something else and seems, in greater application, to speak of all spoken and unspoken laws that hold people captive in varying measures. For instance, I see the Law of Grace addressed, but not directly mentioned, in Isa. 49:24-26 where the question is put forth whether legal captives can be legally taken from their legal captors (ie. if one can legally take another's legal possessions). The obvious answer would be no; however, God says He will legally take captives from their legal owners by contention (a court term). Though the immediate application was for Israel, I believe the greater application is for all people and that He is speaking of contending against the legal rights of captors by the 'higher Law' that Jesus instituted when "He ascended on high and gave gifts to men"-- the Law of Grace:
"Shall the prey be taken from the mighty,
Or the captives of the righteous be delivered?"
But thus says the Lord:
“Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away,
And the prey of the terrible be delivered;
For I will contend with him who contends with you,
And I will save your children.
I will feed those who oppress you with their own flesh,
And they shall be drunk with their own blood as with sweet wine.
All flesh shall know
That I, the Lord, am your Savior,
And your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob."
Jesus said He came to fulfill and not abolish the Law; but the laws I speak of and that Paul spoke of are not God's own Law but "laws hostile to us" which satan uses to gain entrance into people's lives and 'hold them captive'. The Bible actually mentions three types of spiritual Laws: 1.) God's Law as revealed in the OT, 2.) spiritual Laws which govern spiritual things (just like the natural laws of physics, mathematics, engineering, etc., govern natural things), and 3.) the Law of Grace (which is God's Law written on the heart and so governing from there rather than from tablets of stone or pieces of paper on the outside). Does this make sense to anyone?
In Col. 2, Paul says, "And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us." Here, Paul is talking mainly of the written regulations from the OT.
He continues, "And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it." It wasn't just the list of laws from the Old Covenant that was hostile to us; this includes all laws (most of them unspoken, really) that can be hostile to us. This is why Paul included 'principalities and powers'; these are spirits that are always, like lawyers or masters of law, using spiritual/invisible Laws against people wherever they can. When there is a higher Law (the Law of Grace) than what they use (spiritual Laws that govern the spiritual dimensions), then they and the Laws they use must bow or submit to the higher Law which Jesus' life, death, resurrection, and ascension won for mankind.
Paul finishes, "So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ... Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 'Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,' which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men?"
I know the 10 Commandments weren't abolished. I'm talking about what Paul meant when he talks about laws "hostile to us." This is apparently talking about something else and seems, in greater application, to speak of all spoken and unspoken laws that hold people captive in varying measures. For instance, I see the Law of Grace addressed, but not directly mentioned, in Isa. 49:24-26 where the question is put forth whether legal captives can be legally taken from their legal captors (ie. if one can legally take another's legal possessions). The obvious answer would be no; however, God says He will legally take captives from their legal owners by contention (a court term). Though the immediate application was for Israel, I believe the greater application is for all people and that He is speaking of contending against the legal rights of captors by the 'higher Law' that Jesus instituted when "He ascended on high and gave gifts to men"-- the Law of Grace:
"Shall the prey be taken from the mighty,
Or the captives of the righteous be delivered?"
But thus says the Lord:
“Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away,
And the prey of the terrible be delivered;
For I will contend with him who contends with you,
And I will save your children.
I will feed those who oppress you with their own flesh,
And they shall be drunk with their own blood as with sweet wine.
All flesh shall know
That I, the Lord, am your Savior,
And your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob."
Jesus said He came to fulfill and not abolish the Law; but the laws I speak of and that Paul spoke of are not God's own Law but "laws hostile to us" which satan uses to gain entrance into people's lives and 'hold them captive'. The Bible actually mentions three types of spiritual Laws: 1.) God's Law as revealed in the OT, 2.) spiritual Laws which govern spiritual things (just like the natural laws of physics, mathematics, engineering, etc., govern natural things), and 3.) the Law of Grace (which is God's Law written on the heart and so governing from there rather than from tablets of stone or pieces of paper on the outside). Does this make sense to anyone?
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Galatians 3
'Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law or by the hearing of faith?'
Who is the you?
The churches throughout Galatia
already saved. Already indwelled
then 'receive the Spirit' becomes something other than receiving eternal life.
A local assembly of believers receiving the Spirit is what this is referring to.
So ..
'works of the law'
By the context of Galatians book- is the OT system of sacrifices and rituals.. which has been superceded by
'the hearing of faith' which is THE faith-- the NT system of serving
In both systems.. OT and NT salvation is the same. OT- putting faith in Christ who was to come.. NT putting faith in Christ who has come.
Anyway.. so in Galatians the Judaisers were coming trying to distort 'the faith'.. the NT system of serving Jesus. So Paul was saying.. remember who has delivered you.. and remember what I have taught you - to the Galatians.
So not sure if this is really related that closely to the topic. I think though the 'law of grace' could also be called the NT 'system of faith' although grace from Jesus in giving salvation has always been there.
If you are talking about a continuous method of service.. as the law of grace.. then the NT system of faith is that.
Also ya.. the 10 commandments is a covenant that never has gone away. Altho it has never been conditional on receiving eternal life.
'Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law or by the hearing of faith?'
Who is the you?
The churches throughout Galatia
already saved. Already indwelled
then 'receive the Spirit' becomes something other than receiving eternal life.
A local assembly of believers receiving the Spirit is what this is referring to.
So ..
'works of the law'
By the context of Galatians book- is the OT system of sacrifices and rituals.. which has been superceded by
'the hearing of faith' which is THE faith-- the NT system of serving
In both systems.. OT and NT salvation is the same. OT- putting faith in Christ who was to come.. NT putting faith in Christ who has come.
Anyway.. so in Galatians the Judaisers were coming trying to distort 'the faith'.. the NT system of serving Jesus. So Paul was saying.. remember who has delivered you.. and remember what I have taught you - to the Galatians.
So not sure if this is really related that closely to the topic. I think though the 'law of grace' could also be called the NT 'system of faith' although grace from Jesus in giving salvation has always been there.
If you are talking about a continuous method of service.. as the law of grace.. then the NT system of faith is that.
Also ya.. the 10 commandments is a covenant that never has gone away. Altho it has never been conditional on receiving eternal life.
S
Prayer is an open act of faith that God exists, and that we love him.
By talking to him and confessing our heart, we invite him to change us.
It all has to do with free will. It is a choice we make, so he real in our lives.
Romans 10:9,10 & 11
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."
1 Thes 5:17,18
17 pray continually, 18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.
Romans 12:2
2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
By talking to him and confessing our heart, we invite him to change us.
It all has to do with free will. It is a choice we make, so he real in our lives.
Romans 10:9,10 & 11
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."
1 Thes 5:17,18
17 pray continually, 18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.
Romans 12:2
2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
Wattie, you said, "I think though the 'law of grace' could also be called the NT 'system of faith' although grace from Jesus in giving salvation has always been there. If you are talking about a continuous method of service.. as the law of grace.. then the NT system of faith is that." The Law of Grace is the NT 'system of faith' and more depending on how you define 'system of faith'. I still don't know how to explain what I've been learning. When I asked God how to define Grace since there are so many definitions in and out of the Bible, what made sense to me is that "Grace is the goodness of God" or who God is (as 1Jn. tells us, "God is Love"). God is Love, and the method by which God works (operates) is Grace as He told Moses when He appeared to him on Mt. Sinai: "The LORD... the gracious and compassionate God..."
What got me started on 'searching out' the Law of Grace (or the method by which God works) was when I had an encounter with God and then went to churches and couldn't find Him in them. Ie. I found much ministry and goodwill, but I couldn't find the method by which God works-- Grace. Because God had made a huge impact on me, I was confused about the incosistencies and began to 'search it out'. Pro. 25:2 says, "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings." In other words, spiritual things and God's ways (being invisible) are hidden, and it's up to people to 'search them out'. As I searched, I began to learn that it's possible to be good or do good or overflow with goodwill but not have Grace. This lack of Grace accounts for the great lack in churches in general (the divisions, denominations, compromise, etc.)-- the lack of the method by which God works. I began to learn that everything operates by 'laws' or 'principles', that even God-- the only Person who 'operates Himself'-- Self-operates on the principle of Love. So, while some were theorizing about God's initial Grace (initial salvation and redemption) and others were discussing God's provisional Grace (sanctification, etc.), I was mulling over the differences between the average person's nature and God's Nature (God's Grace or the method by which God works). In Rom. 12:1-2, I believe, Paul addresses this nature thing by saying, "Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what the good and acceptable and perfect will of God is." I had begun to realize there are countless "laws against [people]", sometimes different laws for different people, and that these laws generally occupy people's minds. (Some examples of such laws are stereotypes, peer pressure, and double standards.) I also began to realize that the more a person 'lives under' the Law of Grace, the less they will think and act like people who live under "laws hostile to us": "Sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under Grace" (Rom. 6:14).
If anyone is confused, it's because I'm looking at the topic of 'Grace' in a different light... and typing out loud
What got me started on 'searching out' the Law of Grace (or the method by which God works) was when I had an encounter with God and then went to churches and couldn't find Him in them. Ie. I found much ministry and goodwill, but I couldn't find the method by which God works-- Grace. Because God had made a huge impact on me, I was confused about the incosistencies and began to 'search it out'. Pro. 25:2 says, "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings." In other words, spiritual things and God's ways (being invisible) are hidden, and it's up to people to 'search them out'. As I searched, I began to learn that it's possible to be good or do good or overflow with goodwill but not have Grace. This lack of Grace accounts for the great lack in churches in general (the divisions, denominations, compromise, etc.)-- the lack of the method by which God works. I began to learn that everything operates by 'laws' or 'principles', that even God-- the only Person who 'operates Himself'-- Self-operates on the principle of Love. So, while some were theorizing about God's initial Grace (initial salvation and redemption) and others were discussing God's provisional Grace (sanctification, etc.), I was mulling over the differences between the average person's nature and God's Nature (God's Grace or the method by which God works). In Rom. 12:1-2, I believe, Paul addresses this nature thing by saying, "Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what the good and acceptable and perfect will of God is." I had begun to realize there are countless "laws against [people]", sometimes different laws for different people, and that these laws generally occupy people's minds. (Some examples of such laws are stereotypes, peer pressure, and double standards.) I also began to realize that the more a person 'lives under' the Law of Grace, the less they will think and act like people who live under "laws hostile to us": "Sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under Grace" (Rom. 6:14).
If anyone is confused, it's because I'm looking at the topic of 'Grace' in a different light... and typing out loud
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Well grace does undo bondage to sin.. and to systems of HAVE to behaviours.
Eg. I'll give you this gift.. but you have to mow my lawns to keep it..
That is NOT grace
So yeah.. churches can get the motive for doing things all wrong and get caught up in HAVE tos rather than WANT tos. They can lose sight of Jesus' provision and grace and get caught up in doing good just for the sake of doing good.
The dilemma I get tho.. is so you can focus back on Jesus again.. but does that mean you undo all the church programmes you had that were going out of the wrong motiviation?
I dunno about that.. because then you may end up doing next to nadda.
Guess ideally you'd change the motive for the programmes?
Eg. I'll give you this gift.. but you have to mow my lawns to keep it..
That is NOT grace
So yeah.. churches can get the motive for doing things all wrong and get caught up in HAVE tos rather than WANT tos. They can lose sight of Jesus' provision and grace and get caught up in doing good just for the sake of doing good.
The dilemma I get tho.. is so you can focus back on Jesus again.. but does that mean you undo all the church programmes you had that were going out of the wrong motiviation?
I dunno about that.. because then you may end up doing next to nadda.
Guess ideally you'd change the motive for the programmes?
Ideally, I would live my life while 'pondering these things in my heart'. That's what I try to do and only talk about these kinds of things with people who don't mind talking about them. In Jer. 6:16, God says, “Stand in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, where the good way is, and walk in it; then you will find rest for your souls." No one is called to or supposed to try to change people and church programs. However, it is always a good thing to "stand in the ways and see" (acknowledge) what is going on, then to keep on living life (and waiting).
In Matt. 7, Jesus says a lot of [Christians] will think to gain entrance to eternal safety by religious duty and using the gifts of the Spirit but will be turned away. John Bevere, a Christian author, talked about having a vision where he saw this happen. Whether he had a vision or not about it, the fact the Bible says it will happen seems very serious to me. 'Grace' isn't always a religious term that means 'undeserved favor'; it's also a change of heart (change of the person) "from the inside out" so godliness becomes the person and not a duty. 'Grace' also enables a person to think and live right. I can't say I'm unaffected by the things I see (namely the abdication of responsibility by people who have the greater responsibility to show others how to live right: parents, pastors, professors, presidents, etc.); but I'll continue to 'ponder these things in my heart' (I think at least that is my responsibility) and let God do what God does best: make 'it' happen.
In Matt. 7, Jesus says a lot of [Christians] will think to gain entrance to eternal safety by religious duty and using the gifts of the Spirit but will be turned away. John Bevere, a Christian author, talked about having a vision where he saw this happen. Whether he had a vision or not about it, the fact the Bible says it will happen seems very serious to me. 'Grace' isn't always a religious term that means 'undeserved favor'; it's also a change of heart (change of the person) "from the inside out" so godliness becomes the person and not a duty. 'Grace' also enables a person to think and live right. I can't say I'm unaffected by the things I see (namely the abdication of responsibility by people who have the greater responsibility to show others how to live right: parents, pastors, professors, presidents, etc.); but I'll continue to 'ponder these things in my heart' (I think at least that is my responsibility) and let God do what God does best: make 'it' happen.
First, lets understand what was going on at the time that Paul was writing. He was hearing our Father God, his scripture was God breathed, but he still was understanding only through what he knew of the world he was writing about. The Jews at that time were trying to determine what to do with these gentiles who wanted to be part of worshipping the one true God. Both Hillet and Sammai, two leading rabbis, were arguing about how much of the Jewish ritual should be required. That is what the leaders of the church were talking about. When Paul said that none was necessary for us to be saved, it must have been a terrible shock. Later, the gentiles took over directing the church, but at that time they weren’t in charge.
I think today’s gentiles are going entirely way, way beyond anything Paul, God and scripture had in mind. We are human. Humans are not entirely spiritual beings, we react to the physical. The new covenant, and NT points out the spiritual of worship to a people who were as overboard on the physical, then, as we are on the spiritual, now. We go on and on about grace, and yes, it is not through our being so perfect that God accepts us. But we are not going to have grace unless we involve our physical self and do works. Using rituals God prescribed may be useful to us, even.
Christ pointed out that the physical alone wasn’t going to cut it. The Gnostics said that it was only the spiritual that counted, and God said that wasn’t going to cut it, either. We are going to have to understand how grace, physical acts, and the spiritual work together.
I think today’s gentiles are going entirely way, way beyond anything Paul, God and scripture had in mind. We are human. Humans are not entirely spiritual beings, we react to the physical. The new covenant, and NT points out the spiritual of worship to a people who were as overboard on the physical, then, as we are on the spiritual, now. We go on and on about grace, and yes, it is not through our being so perfect that God accepts us. But we are not going to have grace unless we involve our physical self and do works. Using rituals God prescribed may be useful to us, even.
Christ pointed out that the physical alone wasn’t going to cut it. The Gnostics said that it was only the spiritual that counted, and God said that wasn’t going to cut it, either. We are going to have to understand how grace, physical acts, and the spiritual work together.
F
I think this might be a good commentary on the Law being "hostile" or "against us".
Bold added for Emphasis Gentiles were not blessed under the dispensation of the Law of Moses. But now under the NT, all nations are blessed, in the sense that any race of people can now become a Child of God upon hearing the gospel.
As for the 10 commandments and everything else under the Law of Moses, these laws have been abolished.
Most of the 10 commandments are covered in the NT.
The original 10 commandments covered mostly the "outward" action that caused sin, i.e "thou shalt not kill"
But the under the NT, we see that we are accountable for the "inward" thoughts and intents which leads to such outward actions. we find not only is murder wrong, but even just hating our brother, which leads to murder is sin.
Adultery is sin, but under the NT, even the lust that leads to adultery is sin:
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Bold added for Emphasis Gentiles were not blessed under the dispensation of the Law of Moses. But now under the NT, all nations are blessed, in the sense that any race of people can now become a Child of God upon hearing the gospel.
As for the 10 commandments and everything else under the Law of Moses, these laws have been abolished.
Most of the 10 commandments are covered in the NT.
The original 10 commandments covered mostly the "outward" action that caused sin, i.e "thou shalt not kill"
But the under the NT, we see that we are accountable for the "inward" thoughts and intents which leads to such outward actions. we find not only is murder wrong, but even just hating our brother, which leads to murder is sin.
Adultery is sin, but under the NT, even the lust that leads to adultery is sin:
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
L
The 10 commandments have not been abolished or changed. This is the new covenant.
Hebrews 8:10
(10) For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
The Law (10 commandments) are written on our hearts and lived out in the life. If you do away with the Law you do away with grace.
Romans 7:8
(8) But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Romans 5:13
(13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
If the Law has been done away then sin is dead and then there is no need for grace, if we do not need grace then we do not need a saviour, if we do not need a saviour then we do not need to preach the gospel and if there is no need for the gospel then we do not need the church. All this happens when people do away with the Law which says that we are sinners in need of grace.
Hebrews 8:10
(10) For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
The Law (10 commandments) are written on our hearts and lived out in the life. If you do away with the Law you do away with grace.
Romans 7:8
(8) But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Romans 5:13
(13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
If the Law has been done away then sin is dead and then there is no need for grace, if we do not need grace then we do not need a saviour, if we do not need a saviour then we do not need to preach the gospel and if there is no need for the gospel then we do not need the church. All this happens when people do away with the Law which says that we are sinners in need of grace.
F
I dont get what you mean. The Law of Moses was the law of God. It was given to Israel through Moses by God himself.
It was a law that pointed to the coming of Christ.
It was only given to Israel, not any other.
When Christ came, he fulfilled the law of Moses.
Now we are under the NT laws, not the law of Moses that was only for the Jews.
All can come to Christ, no matter what race, but the law of Moses itself, it's ordinances, and it's commands are not given to us, and are done away with as Christ nailed them to His cross. The only reason to nail something to a cross is to put it to death. - Col 2:14
We find everything we must obey in the NT.
It was a law that pointed to the coming of Christ.
It was only given to Israel, not any other.
When Christ came, he fulfilled the law of Moses.
Now we are under the NT laws, not the law of Moses that was only for the Jews.
All can come to Christ, no matter what race, but the law of Moses itself, it's ordinances, and it's commands are not given to us, and are done away with as Christ nailed them to His cross. The only reason to nail something to a cross is to put it to death. - Col 2:14
We find everything we must obey in the NT.
L
The Law of Moses was written by Moses
Deuteronomy 31:24-26
(24) And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
(25) That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
(26) Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
Moses wrote a book of the Law which was placed in the side of the ark
Law of God written by God
Exodus 31:18
(18) And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Deuteronomy 10:2
(2) And I will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou brakest, and thou shalt put them in the ark.
The 10 commandments which is the Law of God was placed inside the ark. The Law of Moses which was written by Moses in a book was placed on the side of the ark. This is the handwriting mentioned in Colossians not the Law of God.
Deuteronomy 31:24-26
(24) And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
(25) That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
(26) Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
Moses wrote a book of the Law which was placed in the side of the ark
Law of God written by God
Exodus 31:18
(18) And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Deuteronomy 10:2
(2) And I will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou brakest, and thou shalt put them in the ark.
The 10 commandments which is the Law of God was placed inside the ark. The Law of Moses which was written by Moses in a book was placed on the side of the ark. This is the handwriting mentioned in Colossians not the Law of God.
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Yea Moses broke the first stones, when he went back up, who wrote them the 2nd time? but this has nothing to do with what you said. You said "the law of Moses is not the law of God"
The 10 commandments were given by God, it does not matter who wrote them. Paul wrote Romans does that make it the Paul's word, or God's word.
The 10 command were the foundation of the entire law.
And Paul is speaking of them both, because they are not separate in nature, they were not under two laws, one from Moses, one from God. It was all God's law.
Paul specifically mentions, to let no one judge us of "the sabbath days" which would be included in what your calling the "law of God".
And when Christ said "ye have hear it said by them of old" "thou shalt not kill" he was directly speaking of the commands, yet he says "but I say unto you" showing the authority he had in making His law over that law.
We are not under any part of the old law. The 10 commands are not binding as they stand, but is it wrong to murder, yes, should we worship other god's; no. All covered in the NT.
If we are still under then we must keep the sabbath days and do no work on it, and that would be doing what Paul just said not to.
The sabbath day was a symbolic of God's rest, which is looking forward to Christ and our promised rest, and that is found in Heb 4 - our sabbath day will be eternal rest in heaven.
We no longer need to symbolize it, we know the true image, Christ revealed it to us.
If we did not have the OT as part of our Bible, we could still know what we need to do, by the NT alone.
The OT is simply for our leaning - Rom 15:4,I Cor 10:9-11, to see how God dealt with man, and learn by example.
The 10 commandments were given by God, it does not matter who wrote them. Paul wrote Romans does that make it the Paul's word, or God's word.
The 10 command were the foundation of the entire law.
And Paul is speaking of them both, because they are not separate in nature, they were not under two laws, one from Moses, one from God. It was all God's law.
Paul specifically mentions, to let no one judge us of "the sabbath days" which would be included in what your calling the "law of God".
And when Christ said "ye have hear it said by them of old" "thou shalt not kill" he was directly speaking of the commands, yet he says "but I say unto you" showing the authority he had in making His law over that law.
We are not under any part of the old law. The 10 commands are not binding as they stand, but is it wrong to murder, yes, should we worship other god's; no. All covered in the NT.
If we are still under then we must keep the sabbath days and do no work on it, and that would be doing what Paul just said not to.
The sabbath day was a symbolic of God's rest, which is looking forward to Christ and our promised rest, and that is found in Heb 4 - our sabbath day will be eternal rest in heaven.
We no longer need to symbolize it, we know the true image, Christ revealed it to us.
If we did not have the OT as part of our Bible, we could still know what we need to do, by the NT alone.
The OT is simply for our leaning - Rom 15:4,I Cor 10:9-11, to see how God dealt with man, and learn by example.
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