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eternally-gratefull

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So the question is again, does the Spirit convict us to ignore some of the commandments, or make it easier to follow them ?

no, the question again is WHO IS TELLING ANYONE TO IGNORE A COMMAND?
 
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I would like to add. they are just a guidline, a moral line we can stack ourselves up to to see how good we have done.

they can not even tell us how to be good. It says do not do this, it does not say how not to do it. Thus it is insufficient to even help a person be righteous
God's Righteous Judgment
…5But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: 7to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;…
 
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psychomom

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okay, one more time, y'all...

there's a difference in the job descriptions of God's Law and God's Gospel.
a big difference.

and the failure to distinguish between Law and Gospel pretty much always leads to
abandonment of the Gospel. :(

the Law gets softened into helpful tips for practical living
(go see Tony Robbins for that stuff!)
instead of God's unwavering demand for perfection.

and the Gospel gets hardened into a set of moral demands we must live out
instead of God's unconditional declaration that He justifies the ungodly.

the Law diagnoses sinners, but only the Gospel delivers sinners.

the Law illuminates sin, but only the Gospel eliminates sin.

the Law forces us to face our sin, but only the Gospel forgives our sin.

the Law exposes us, but only the Gospel exonerates us.

the Law accuses us, but only the Gospel acquits us.

thank You, Faithful Father, for providing a Way for us. ♥
thank You for your Grace and Mercy in the Person and Work of our Savior.
please continue, by Your Grace, to enable us to walk in Your Ways.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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God's Righteous Judgment
…5But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: 7to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;…
lol.. good luck with that if you think you will get eternal life by following the law of moses, you will fail miserably

As for me, I persevere, and through the law of LOVE seek to do good and glory for Gods honor. But not of my power. but by the power of the HS.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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okay, one more time, y'all...

there's a difference in the job descriptions of God's Law and God's Gospel.
a big difference.

and the failure to distinguish between Law and Gospel pretty much always leads to
abandonment of the Gospel. :(

the Law gets softened into helpful tips for practical living
(go see Tony Robbins for that stuff!)
instead of God's unwavering demand for perfection.

and the Gospel gets hardened into a set of moral demands we must live out
instead of God's unconditional declaration that He justifies the ungodly.

the Law diagnoses sinners, but only the Gospel delivers sinners.

the Law illuminates sin, but only the Gospel eliminates sin.

the Law forces us to face our sin, but only the Gospel forgives our sin.

the Law exposes us, but only the Gospel exonerates us.

the Law accuses us, but only the Gospel acquits us.

thank You, Faithful Father, for providing a Way for us. ♥
thank You for your Grace and Mercy in the Person and Work of our Savior.
please continue, by Your Grace, to enable us to walk in Your Ways.

again amen and amen, wisdom well shared for us all
 
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JesusIsAll

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okay, one more time, y'all...

there's a difference in the job descriptions of God's Law and God's Gospel.
a big difference.

and the failure to distinguish between Law and Gospel pretty much always leads to
abandonment of the Gospel. :(

the Law gets softened into helpful tips for practical living
(go see Tony Robbins for that stuff!)
instead of God's unwavering demand for perfection.

and the Gospel gets hardened into a set of moral demands we must live out
instead of God's unconditional declaration that He justifies the ungodly.

the Law diagnoses sinners, but only the Gospel delivers sinners.

the Law illuminates sin, but only the Gospel eliminates sin.

the Law forces us to face our sin, but only the Gospel forgives our sin.

the Law exposes us, but only the Gospel exonerates us.

the Law accuses us, but only the Gospel acquits us.

thank You, Faithful Father, for providing a Way for us. ♥
thank You for your Grace and Mercy in the Person and Work of our Savior.
please continue, by Your Grace, to enable us to walk in Your Ways.
Hear, hear! Please pass some of that schizoidal bipolarity my way!
 
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lol.. good luck with that if you think you will get eternal life by following the law of moses, you will fail miserably

As for me, I persevere, and through the law of LOVE seek to do good and glory for Gods honor. But not of my power. but by the power of the HS.
I don't believe in luck, I believe in reason, and it's not the law of Moses, It's the Law of God.. Can't do the Ten Commandments.. Wowzers.. Smh..
 
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JesusIsAll

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no, the question again is WHO IS TELLING ANYONE TO IGNORE A COMMAND?
Where have you been? Haven't you heard? One mention of faith and grace, and you've told everybody to signup for a marathon of sin.
 
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no, the question again is WHO IS TELLING ANYONE TO IGNORE A COMMAND?
You sit hear typing away, that we can't do the Ten Commandments, then say who is saying to ignore them... Again, what sense is to be made of these statements ?
 
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JesusIsAll

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Wow! Hadn't noticed it's dark outside. Can go back to store brand dills, finally go to the bathroom.
 

Yahshua

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I thought Moses brought on the 10 commandments??? :confused:
Nope it was God himself that shouted them to everyone. Every soul was a witness to the voice of God speaking his commandments.

Exodus 20:1
20 And God spake all these words, saying...


After that, it was God's own hand that wrote them on the 1st set of tablets made from God's own (blue sapphire) stone...which Moses broke...because of the people :/


Exodus 24:9-12
9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky.

11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.

12 The Lord said to Moses, “Come up to me on the mountain and stay here, and I will give you the tablets of stone with the law and commandments I have written for their instruction.”


Then God told Moses to himself supply the tablets of stone that God would write upon the 2nd time. These tablets would make it into the ark.


Exodus 34:1
34 The Lord said to Moses, “Cut two stone tablets like the first ones, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke.


The first witness of the law came from heaven...from God alone...and was broken for the people because of their sins.

The second witness of the law came from earth...from *both* God's & man's work...and that witness entered the ark.
 
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Where have you been? Haven't you heard? One mention of faith and grace, and you've told everybody to signup for a marathon of sin.
So we're just saved sinners, murders that go to church... Speak for yourselves..this is nonsense

I'm done with this thread, the truth has been told. Thank you Rosy123 for making this thread, it's brought a lot to light.
 
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SoulWeaver

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Nope it was God himself that shouted them to everyone.
Well of course Moses didnt author them...
They are a part of Mosaic law. If the law tablets that were given to Moses are NOT a part of Mosaic law, I really dont know what is.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I don't believe in luck, I believe in reason, and it's not the law of Moses, It's the Law of God.. Can't do the Ten Commandments.. Wowzers.. Smh..
Pharisee. Thats what you are. you think you are something you are not.

Keep puffing your chest like the pharisee.
 

Blain

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Pharisee. Thats what you are. you think you are something you are not.

Keep puffing your chest like the pharisee.
ok I am clearly late to the party but I know brainfreeze and the one thing he is not is pharisee
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You sit hear typing away, that we can't do the Ten Commandments, then say who is saying to ignore them... Again, what sense is to be made of these statements ?
lol.. Typical from a lawyer.

John said you could not either, for he said if yuo say you are without sin, you decieve yourself and there is no truth in you.

Paul said he could not, he was a wretched man, I guess you are more perfect than these to apostles of God?

Admitting I am powerless is not the same as excusing. It is when we think we have made it we are excusing. So why do you excuse your sin?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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ok I am clearly late to the party but I know brainfreeze and the one thing he is not is pharisee
he sure is talking like one. I can only go by what I hear him say.
 
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JesusIsAll

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Luke 18:10-14 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Galatians 4:9-11 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
 

JesusLives

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I thought Moses brought on the 10 commandments??? :confused:
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Ten Commandments[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Called "Law contained in ordinances"[/FONT]​
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.[/FONT]​
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Called "the Royal law"[/FONT]​
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]JAMES 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: [/FONT]​
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Written by Moses in a book[/FONT]​
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]2 CHRON. 35:12 And they removed the burnt offerings, that they might give according to the divisions of the families of the people, to offer unto the LORD, as it is written in the book of Moses. And so did they with the oxen. [/FONT]​
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Written by God on stone[/FONT]​
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]EXO. 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]EXO. 32:16 And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables.[/FONT]​
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Placed in the side of the ark[/FONT]​
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]DEUT. 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.[/FONT]​
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Placed inside the ark[/FONT]​
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]EXO. 40:20 And he took and put the testimony into the ark, and set the staves on the ark, and put the mercy seat above upon the ark: [/FONT]​
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Ended at the cross[/FONT]​
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace. [/FONT]​
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Will stand forever[/FONT]​
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]LUKE 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.[/FONT]​
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Added because of sin[/FONT]​
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]GAL. 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.[/FONT]​
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Points out sin[/FONT]​
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]ROM. 7:7 What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
ROM. 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Contrary to us, against us[/FONT]​
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]COL. 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.[/FONT]​
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Not grievous[/FONT]​
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]1 JOHN 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.[/FONT]​
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Judges no man[/FONT]​
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]COL. 2:14-16 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:[/FONT]​
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Judges all men[/FONT]​
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]JAM. 2:10-12 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. [/FONT]​
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Carnal[/FONT]​
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]HEB. 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.[/FONT]​
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Spiritual[/FONT]​
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]ROM. 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. [/FONT]​
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Made nothing perfect[/FONT]​
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]HEB. 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.[/FONT]​
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Perfect[/FONT]​
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]PSALMS 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.[/FONT]​
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