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eternally-gratefull

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I once was lost, but now I'm found ... Period
Yep

You were found because Christ paid the penalty for your sin.

You were not found because you were such a good little boy and did not break Gods commandments. .
 
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JesusIsAll

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lol.

If you could keep the ten, christ would not have had to come.


Face it dude, you can not keep the first command 24/7 no one can, Anytime you DO ANYTHING in an attidude of self, you are breaking the first.

If you read pau, you will see the more mature in Christ, the more you get know know God and who he is, the more of a sinner you realise you really are. How wretched you are.
Then, are you saying it doesn't glorify God, to spend the whole Jew-lite sabbath, bickering against Paul on CC?
 

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as I look to the law (the whole law) I can say for a fact I fail, I can't do it.
There is the Royal Law, which is the Ten Commandments and there is Mosiac Law that Jesus fulfilled by dying on the cross. No one could possible follow the Mosiac Law as God kept adding to it until it was humanly impossible to fulfil. The Royal Law has been in effect since Adam and Eve and remains in effect today. Jesus says that His laws are not burdensome. The Ten Commandments, in my estimation are doable. If you remove these commandments there would no longer be a moral compass to guide our steps. We would be free to do whatever we want until our ultimate destruction.

It has been my observation that most Christians find the Fourth Commandment to be burdensome despite what Jesus has said and they try to rationalize it away by wresting with scripture or introduce their own twisted views that are void of scriptural points of fact. This is the only commandment that says that we must remember it. The bible does not say that we should forget all about it. I am struggling with this commandment as well but feel that God is now speaking to my heart on this. He says it is not burdensome to follow. The problem that I have is that I just don't fully understand it but with prayer and perseverance that will come with time.
 
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Then, are you saying it doesn't glorify God, to spend the whole Jew-lite sabbath, bickering against Paul on CC?
This isn't bickering, I've actually learn something here " about the sabbath. I can't believe people who say they are christian, can't keep the commandments. I could see them saying this with the 600 laws but the ten...wow
 
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JesusIsAll

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not to mention who killed Goliath. :)

(oh, dear, can't believe i said that.)
Now that you mention it, not so sure you aren't on to something there. Who killed Goliath has moments when some relative merit emerges.
 
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psychomom

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you sinner you! REPENT!!//lol
*hangs head in shame...chuckling*

but that's a good point, EG.
we need to see ourselves as we r-e-a-l-l-y are. (not as we wish we were)

the longer we walk with God, the more we see His Law as it really is, too.

in Jesus' authoritative interpretation of the Law in the Sermon on the Mount,
He's trying to get us to see it's not just about what we do outwardly.

if that were the case, He'd have showcased the Pharisees.
they were meticulously concerned about keeping the Law,
but Jesus said they were whitewashed tombs.
(clean on the outside; dead on the inside)

Christ's point in that most famous sermon is that the keeping of God's Law
extends much deeper than what we do outwardly...
God cares about the motivations of our hearts!

which just leads me back to, thank God for Jesus!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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There is the Royal Law, which is the Ten Commandments and there is Mosiac Law that Jesus fulfilled by dying on the cross. No one could possible follow the Mosiac Law as God kept adding to it until it was humanly impossible to fulfil. The Royal Law has been in effect since Adam and Eve and remains in effect today. Jesus says that His law is not burdensome. The Ten Commandments, in my estimation are doable. If you remove these commandments there would no longer be a moral compass to guide our steps. We would be free to do whatever we want until our ultimate destruction.

It has been my observation that most Christians find the Fourth Commandment to be burdensome despite what Jesus has said and they try to rationalize it away by wresting with scripture or introduce their own twisted views that are void of scriptural points of fact. This is the only commandment that says that we must remember it. The bible does not say that we should forget all about it. I am struggling with this commandment as well but feel that God is now speaking to my heart on this. He says it is not burdensome to follow. The problem that I have is that I just don't fully understand it but with prayer and perseverance that will come with time.

the ten commands are part of the mosaic. Study it, it was the start of the law. and the law includes all ten and more.

The ten are not doable We can not love the lord our God 24/7, let alone our neighbor as ourself.

Now maybe just maybe we could do the other 8. but if we take Gods defenition of the other 8, I do not even think we can do these.


does not mean we should just give up and live however we want, that would be foolish and stupid.

It just means we should never think we made it, and keep striving to run the race, becoming more and more like Jesus.


As jesus said, Blessed are we if we do those things. The opposite of blessing is cursing.
 

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This isn't bickering, I've actually learn something here " about the sabbath. I can't believe people who say they are christian, can't keep the commandments. I could see them saying this with the 600 laws but the ten...wow
I am mystified as well.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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*hangs head in shame...chuckling*

but that's a good point, EG.
we need to see ourselves as we r-e-a-l-l-y are. (not as we wish we were)

the longer we walk with God, the more we see His Law as it really is, too.

in Jesus' authoritative interpretation of the Law in the Sermon on the Mount,
He's trying to get us to see it's not just about what we do outwardly.

if that were the case, He'd have showcased the Pharisees.
they were meticulously concerned about keeping the Law,
but Jesus said they were whitewashed tombs.
(clean on the outside; dead on the inside)

Christ's point in that most famous sermon is that the keeping of God's Law
extends much deeper than what we do outwardly...
God cares about the motivations of our hearts!

which just leads me back to, thank God for Jesus!
if I could give more reputation, I would give you one here.

you hit the nail on the coffin here, It took me years to realise this.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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This isn't bickering, I've actually learn something here " about the sabbath. I can't believe people who say they are christian, can't keep the commandments. I could see them saying this with the 600 laws but the ten...wow

yeah, I guess we should all boast of how good a people we are. and how we do not need God anymore, because we are so righteous. And not see ourselves for what we really are.

:ets all be pharisees and pump our chests, and not a tax collector on our knees in shame.
 

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There is the Royal Law, which is the Ten Commandments and there is Mosiac Law that Jesus fulfilled by dying on the cross.
I thought Moses brought on the 10 commandments??? :confused:
 
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The ten are not doable We can not love the lord our God 24/7, let alone our neighbor as ourself.

Now maybe just maybe we could do the other 8.
You don't love God 24/7, he saved me, my life is forever His, I will be His servant for my remainder, you might not but that's a personal choice.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I thought Moses brought on the 10 commandments??? :confused:

He did.. And this is what paul said about it.


10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them

And of course, if we could do them (notice we have to do them perfectly) we would not have to be under a curse, and jesus would not have had to hang on a tree.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You don't love God 24/7, he saved me, my life is forever His, I will be His servant for my remainder, you might not but that's a personal choice.
I do love God. but i am not foolish enough to think I do it with every thought and deed 24/7

You my friend are decieved. You may sound righteous, But like the pharisee, it is all talk.
 
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JesusIsAll

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the ten commands are part of the mosaic. Study it, it was the start of the law. and the law includes all ten and more.

The ten are not doable We can not love the lord our God 24/7, let alone our neighbor as ourself.

Now maybe just maybe we could do the other 8. but if we take Gods defenition of the other 8, I do not even think we can do these.


does not mean we should just give up and live however we want, that would be foolish and stupid.

It just means we should never think we made it, and keep striving to run the race, becoming more and more like Jesus.


As jesus said, Blessed are we if we do those things. The opposite of blessing is cursing.
Actually, if it's possible to get serious, the Ten Commandments is the tip of the iceberg of a Christian law that is as strict as sins of thought and omission, all things sin that fall short of the righteousness and holiness of God. Merit by any sabbath is more than absurd, unless one can clean up the entire, corruptible flesh, down to a pearly white dividing of the soul and spirit on God's examination. Lots of luck there. As for me, all I have is the blood of Christ on that score, but, praise holy Jesus, it's enough. Neither do I need any Pharisee to tell me what to do on Saturday, which the Spirit filled apostle Paul, once a huge Pharisee, agrees with.
 
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The Ten Commandments, as well as the rest of the Law, would thus prepare the Jews for the Messiah and guide them to him. When Jesus came, lived among them, and died perfectly obedient to the Law, he became “the end of the Law.” Then God removed that bar, as it were, and offered the Jews something better. Now they could “as a free gift” finally be “declared righteous by his undeserved kindness through the release by the ransom paid by Christ Jesus.”—Romans 3:24.
Paul also says, “You are not under law but under undeserved kindness” and, “If you are being led by spirit, you are not under law.”—Romans 6:14; Galatians 5:18.
 
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psychomom

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the Ten Commandments are not a primer in how to be good.

they're a primer on how to be Perfect.

and it's not enough to merely 'keep' them, we have to want to keep them,
every minute of every day.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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the Ten Commandments are not a primer in how to be good.

they're a primer on how to be Perfect.

and it's not enough to merely 'keep' them, we have to want to keep them,
every minute of every day.
I would like to add. they are just a guidline, a moral line we can stack ourselves up to to see how good we have done.

they can not even tell us how to be good. It says do not do this, it does not say how not to do it. Thus it is insufficient to even help a person be righteous
 
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The Ten Commandments, as well as the rest of the Law, would thus prepare the Jews for the Messiah and guide them to him. When Jesus came, lived among them, and died perfectly obedient to the Law, he became “the end of the Law.” Then God removed that bar, as it were, and offered the Jews something better. Now they could “as a free gift” finally be “declared righteous by his undeserved kindness through the release by the ransom paid by Christ Jesus.”—Romans 3:24.
Paul also says, “You are not under law but under undeserved kindness” and, “If you are being led by spirit, you are not under law.”—Romans 6:14; Galatians 5:18.
So the question is again, does the Spirit convict us to ignore some of the commandments, or make it easier to follow them ?
 
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psychomom

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I would like to add. they are just a guidline, a moral line we can stack ourselves up to to see how good we have done.

they can not even tell us how to be good. It says do not do this, it does not say how not to do it. Thus it is insufficient to even help a person be righteous
yep. hmmm...where are my thoughts on Law and Gospel when i want them?

only the Gospel can enable us to walk with God, i guess is the upshot. :)