The Law

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Laws must have been in place from the start, God commanded Adam and eve not to eat to the tree.
Gods laws are what define right and wrong.

Being under a law = being held guilty to the law,
Eg. If the law says do not kill or you will be a sinner guilty of eternal death.

If i am held under the law as guilty (as a sinner), but Grace and mercy comes by Jesus, by promise and i have faith in Jesus to free me from the Guilt of the sin, I and made free, (Justified), no longer under the law.

The law is not gone, the definition of sin is still there pointing out sin, but we have an advocate promised to us in the blood of Jesus to free us from the law.

If God changed the laws and took the laws away then why did He need to Send Jesus to die for us?
Please read Galatians.

Feel free to rip it out if you think your stance above it
 

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by the way i am not talking about the laws of ordinance that were given to reveal Jesus. The laws that were shadows of what Jesus achieved are no long needed. Jesus is the lamb and the sacrifice so we no longer need to sacrifice lambs.
 
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by the way i am not talking about the laws of ordinance that were given to reveal Jesus. The laws that were shadows of what Jesus achieved are no long needed. Jesus is the lamb and the sacrifice so we no longer need to sacrifice lambs.
Galatians 2:21

Your stance means Jesus died in vain

You are not saved.
 

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Please read Galatians.

Feel free to rip it out if you think your stance above it
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

This is what i'm saying.

not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ.
But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
 

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i totally agree with Gal 2:21
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

We can not save ourselves by keeping the law.
 
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Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

This is what i'm saying.

not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ.
But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
I am saying by the Spirit no law will be broken

You will love all you encounter...

Anger and hatred arise from fear, which is the absence of love.
 
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Fear is the father of sin...

Fear of being forgotten...

Fear of not being loved...

Fear of being alone...


It is mental poison

Hate is its king.
 
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The fear of losing control... but thy will be done... not mine
 

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i also believe the bible does not contradict itself.

There is commandments and laws mentioned that refer to the whole lot but sometimes the law is the schoolmaster (Gal 3) which is the law of ordinance given because of Israel's needed to understand Christ and Salvation. What are the laws James talks about in chap 2, what are the commandments in Rev? What are the laws Jesus was talking about in Matt 5:17? No law will save us but the law of liberty is still there to reveal sin.

2Jn 1:4 I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father.
2Jn 1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
 
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It definitely contradicts itself...

You should try reading it.

For me, other texts are extensions with motivations...

Everyone wants to direct this new movement...

Galatians is the first Christian text.

In it he says if anyone give a different gospel than this they are wrong.

Fun fact, none of the gospels call themselves such...

This is the only text that actually calls itself good news.

And indeed, this is good news.
 

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if you throw out the law and believe that no law exists today you will be like Paul ... not now what sin is.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
 
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I take verses that align with Galatians, I take heed of whatsoever it defines as from the Spirit

I do this because I received the Spirit in 2012 and it is the clearest pointing
 
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I do not understand why people 300 years later and more got to decide the gospel

Certainly, they enjoyed things that established them as the power, and they were successful

This is apposed to Galatians
 

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It definitely contradicts itself...

You should try reading it.

For me, other texts are extensions with motivations...

Everyone wants to direct this new movement...

Galatians is the first Christian text.

In it he says if anyone give a different gospel than this they are wrong.

Fun fact, none of the gospels call themselves such...

This is the only text that actually calls itself good news.

And indeed, this is good news.
God does not contradict Himself and the bible was given by God.
Galations has its place but is not the whole Bible.
 
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Sin is divisiveness...

Satan means the adversary
God is oneness
Thus, creating more than two is against God
Sin is anything against God
It is anything unloving.
 
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God does not contradict Himself and the bible was given by God.
God did not canonize the Bible

Jesus never knew a canon

Galations has its place but is not the whole Bible.
I have said I interpret all else through it... I venture outside the bible too, into other traditions even on the basis that all has come from the Logos... and all of it contains human bias...

For me, these people have experience of oneness and are trying to convey it... they have to use the sources around them outside the experience to say more... only this union is what they actually know.

I think that if we refuse to acknowledge this all religion will be dead very soon.
 
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Hebrews 5:7

Even Jesus had to surrender to God
THAT is why he was made savior
 
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Of course, Galatians starts out telling us Paul has just had this experience
 
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Also, Peter is the rock...

Cephas, Peter, gives his blessing to Paul as the apostle to the Gentiles...

I am a Gentile.

I have no Jewish blood.
 

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I take verses that align with Galatians, I take heed of whatsoever it defines as from the Spirit

I do this because I received the Spirit in 2012 and it is the clearest pointing
when you got the spirit in 2012 how do you know which spirit it was?
1Jn_4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Ti_4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

do you think the king of deception will come to you and admit that he wants to lead you astray?

If the Spirit came to you and convicted you to obey the 10 commandments would that mean it is an evil spirit or Gods Spirit?