The Liberty that is in Christ

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Now God's first attribute is to love us and want us all to live with Him forever, and we can't do that and keep sin in our lives. So God sent His Son to free us through offering forgiveness and clean us from that sin. That is the freedom from sin that you are going on about and so is scripture.

That does not cancel out all the ways that we are to handle sin. That was set up at creation, it stays the same.

There's only one way to handle sin - faith.

If he draws back (into perdition), my soul has no pleasure in him; but the just shall live by my faith. Habakkuk 2:4
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Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. Hebrews 10:38-39
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[Grandpa]

you said lol.
there it is

Touche'...

I was going to say something about Joy being one of the fruit of the spirit and then I thought about saying something about who can bring a charge against the elect, but I don't get to say touche' very often. Its kind of fun. Touche'.

LOL.

 

[homwardbound]

Free from sin free from condemnation free from wrath, free to worship. I love this thread...very uplifting.

absolute truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[loveme1]

Free to serve in Spirit and Truth.

Free to Keep and Teach the Commandments of GOD.

His yoke is easy and His burden is light.

Love and Truth.

Hebrews 12

Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.5And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.7If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 10For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. 11Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.12Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees; 13And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.

There is still correction with the Liberty we have received.

Though where love exists liberty will not be misused.

For love is the guiding force.

 

[Grandpa]

Free to serve in Spirit and Truth.

Free to Keep and Teach the Commandments of GOD.

His yoke is easy and His burden is light.

Love and Truth.

Hebrews 12



There is still correction with the Liberty we have received.

Though where love exists liberty will not be misused.

For love is the guiding force.

I really liked your first sentence.

The rest is on shaky ground bordering on un-belief. I'll show you... if it can work that way...

If we try to keep the law by our power we have turned away from Him, and His Power, and we are instead trusting in our own selves to keep His Law.

The Schoolmaster is designed to bring us to Christ. That's the 10 commandments. This is the chastening of God. It doesn't last forever. There is a point where we are saved and given the Holy Spirit by our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:23-25
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25[/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

After what? After you have been chastened and brought to Christ by the Schoolmaster you are given the fruit of Righteousness by the Lord Jesus Christ.

The chastening isn't what grows the fruit of Righteousness. The schoolmaster doesn't grow this fruit of Righteousness.

The Lord Jesus grows this fruit of Righteousness. Its what we learn after we come to Him.

John 15:4-5

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

What is the fruit of Righteousness?

Galatians 5:22-23

[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

His yoke is easy and His burden is light because He lifts the yoke of bondage off of you. You trying to perform the 10 commandments in your flesh. Be not entangled again in this yoke of bondage from which Christ has set you free. Stay in Christ. He who the Son sets free is free indeed. That is Freedom. That is Liberty.

Don't think for a moment that I am speaking against the Law. The Law may be taught if a man teaches it Lawfully. That is, as a schoolmaster to bring people to Christ!!

After we come to Christ what are we under? Not Law. Grace. You are under Grace now and His Grace is Sufficient for You.

We have Liberty and Freedom in Christ because we no longer work at the Law. We believe that He grows the Fruit of Righteousness in our Lives by us abiding in Him. And not being entangled again in what we were at first snared in. Our own work...

Colossians 1:9-17

[SUP]9 [/SUP]For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Do you really want to lead people into this PLUS their own power of keeping commandments is the Liberty of Christ? It seems you get one or the other to me. Your power, or His...

So if you are going to go back to the Law then keep the whole thing, perfectly. Don't pretend to have liberty and be in bondage simultaneously. That's not liberty, that's mens religion.

 

[zone]

I really liked your first sentence.

The rest is on shaky ground bordering on un-belief. I'll show you... if it can work that way...

If we try to keep the law by our power we have turned away from Him, and His Power, and we are instead trusting in our own selves to keep His Law.

The Schoolmaster is designed to bring us to Christ. That's the 10 commandments. This is the chastening of God. It doesn't last forever. There is a point where we are saved and given the Holy Spirit by our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:23-25
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25[/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

After what? After you have been chastened and brought to Christ by the Schoolmaster you are given the fruit of Righteousness by the Lord Jesus Christ.

The chastening isn't what grows the fruit of Righteousness. The schoolmaster doesn't grow this fruit of Righteousness.

The Lord Jesus grows this fruit of Righteousness. Its what we learn after we come to Him.

John 15:4-5

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

What is the fruit of Righteousness?

Galatians 5:22-23

[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

His yoke is easy and His burden is light because He lifts the yoke of bondage off of you. You trying to perform the 10 commandments in your flesh. Be not entangled again in this yoke of bondage from which Christ has set you free. Stay in Christ. He who the Son sets free is free indeed. That is Freedom. That is Liberty.

Don't think for a moment that I am speaking against the Law. The Law may be taught if a man teaches it Lawfully. That is, as a schoolmaster to bring people to Christ!!

After we come to Christ what are we under? Not Law. Grace. You are under Grace now and His Grace is Sufficient for You.

We have Liberty and Freedom in Christ because we no longer work at the Law. We believe that He grows the Fruit of Righteousness in our Lives by us abiding in Him. And not being entangled again in what we were at first snared in. Our own work...

Colossians 1:9-17

[SUP]9 [/SUP]For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Do you really want to lead people into this PLUS their own power of keeping commandments is the Liberty of Christ? It seems you get one or the other to me. Your power, or His...

So if you are going to go back to the Law then keep the whole thing, perfectly. Don't pretend to have liberty and be in bondage simultaneously. That's not liberty, that's mens religion.

Romans 8:32
He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all--how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things?

Looks like Our Great God doing all the giving. freely.
and what does he want in Return?

Thanksgiving and Praise.
and bring His message to the end of the earth.

Amen

 

[loveme1]

I really liked your first sentence.

The rest is on shaky ground bordering on un-belief. I'll show you... if it can work that way...

If we try to keep the law by our power we have turned away from Him, and His Power, and we are instead trusting in our own selves to keep His Law.

The Schoolmaster is designed to bring us to Christ. That's the 10 commandments. This is the chastening of God. It doesn't last forever. There is a point where we are saved and given the Holy Spirit by our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:23-25
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25[/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

After what? After you have been chastened and brought to Christ by the Schoolmaster you are given the fruit of Righteousness by the Lord Jesus Christ.

The chastening isn't what grows the fruit of Righteousness. The schoolmaster doesn't grow this fruit of Righteousness.

The Lord Jesus grows this fruit of Righteousness. Its what we learn after we come to Him.

John 15:4-5

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

What is the fruit of Righteousness?

Galatians 5:22-23

[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

His yoke is easy and His burden is light because He lifts the yoke of bondage off of you. You trying to perform the 10 commandments in your flesh. Be not entangled again in this yoke of bondage from which Christ has set you free. Stay in Christ. He who the Son sets free is free indeed. That is Freedom. That is Liberty.

Don't think for a moment that I am speaking against the Law. The Law may be taught if a man teaches it Lawfully. That is, as a schoolmaster to bring people to Christ!!

After we come to Christ what are we under? Not Law. Grace. You are under Grace now and His Grace is Sufficient for You.

We have Liberty and Freedom in Christ because we no longer work at the Law. We believe that He grows the Fruit of Righteousness in our Lives by us abiding in Him. And not being entangled again in what we were at first snared in. Our own work...

Colossians 1:9-17

[SUP]9 [/SUP]For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Do you really want to lead people into this PLUS their own power of keeping commandments is the Liberty of Christ? It seems you get one or the other to me. Your power, or His...

So if you are going to go back to the Law then keep the whole thing, perfectly. Don't pretend to have liberty and be in bondage simultaneously. That's not liberty, that's mens religion.

What you call shaky ground the Messiah Yahshua likened to Good Foundation.

For it is the Son of GOD who teaches us to teach and Keep the Commandments.

i have not turned away from my Saviour i'm following Him each and every day by the Grace of GOD.

My flesh was at enmity with GOD's Law but GOD be thanked for the Holy Spirit Baptism.

You teach directly against the Messiah and you do not even know you are doing this.

likewise don't pretend to of taken His easy yoke and light burden if you have not believed on His Word.

The saints Keep the Commandments of GOD and have the Testimony of the Messiah.

How you proceed to make such bold declarations of "one or the other" is not Biblical and leading people a stray.

We have different beliefs and share them believing them to be True.

 

[homwardbound]

I just love you love me1 as God does, and God will not forsake anyone that believes in God, sorry you do not see the finished work of Christ, that by his death he did this for us:
Colossians 1:22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—
Galatians 3:14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
2 Corinthians 5:20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.
Romans 5:10 For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!

The commandments are new not old, under a new covenant
[h=3]Hebrews 9:15-17[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it,
[SUP]17 [/SUP]because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living.

Under new Priesthood and new Laws, the Laws of Love as you have pointed this out, yet somehow seem to slip in the ten commandments, is this so?

[h=3]Hebrews 7:11-12[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[h=3]Jesus Like Melchizedek[/h][SUP]11 [/SUP]If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? [SUP]12 [/SUP]For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.



[h=3]Hebrews 10:1[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[h=3]Christ’s Sacrifice Once for All[/h]10 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship

We are freed from the stress of having to be perfect, in thanking God, and not to be used as an opportunity for the flesh to steal, kill and destroy as it actually does, acting as if it does not
Love You, praying for you to see the difference of Law and Grace of God through Christ

 

[Grandpa]

What you call shaky ground the Messiah Yahshua likened to Good Foundation.

For it is the Son of GOD who teaches us to teach and Keep the Commandments.

i have not turned away from my Saviour i'm following Him each and every day by the Grace of GOD.

My flesh was at enmity with GOD's Law but GOD be thanked for the Holy Spirit Baptism.

You teach directly against the Messiah and you do not even know you are doing this.

likewise don't pretend to of taken His easy yoke and light burden if you have not believed on His Word.

The saints Keep the Commandments of GOD and have the Testimony of the Messiah.

How you proceed to make such bold declarations of "one or the other" is not Biblical and leading people a stray.

We have different beliefs and share them believing them to be True.

The Lord Jesus Christ is that solid ground.

Not you or what you do.

Those who try to keep the law by their flesh have rejected Grace. They must go back to the schoolmaster and keep the law perfectly until the law brings them to Christ.

Read Matthew 5. The Lord Jesus has put this yoke on all transgressors. That's all of us. At the end of Matthew 5 He says Be perfect like your Father in Heaven is Perfect.

That's a heavy yoke. That's the Law, the 10 commandments.

Then, at the end of Matthew 11 He gives the remedy for that Heavy Yoke. Come to me, you who are weary and heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

How do we rest when we come to Him? BY abiding in Him. His Holy Spirit grown in us is the only thing in us that Keeps His Law and is Perfect like our Father in Heaven is Perfect.

If you are busy keeping commandments in your own power you are rejecting the ONLY power that can keep them.

The saints have come to Christ and have the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit and its fruit is not grown by our own effort, John 15 shows us that.

I am reminding Christians what Christianity is. Going back to the shadow to practice that is not Christianity even though you may have been taught that it is.

Step out into the Light. It takes a little while to adjust but its worth it. Everything Grows better out here...

There's healing for your sorrow and hurt. Theres remedy for your shame and lack of knowledge of Him. He takes away our heart of stone and gives us a heart of flesh. One that can feel Joy and Love again.

Your commandments won't do any of that for you. They'll just cause you to stay in the shadow well out of the way of Grace and His Provision.

If you've been baptized by the Holy Spirit you should know EXACTLY where, how and who blesses you. If you've dropped your heavy burden why did you pick it up again? Who bewitched you into doing that? (Gal 3)

Pretend... I don't think its possible to pretend to know about this. This knowledge only comes from one place. And I'm sharing it with you.