THE LIE IN LORDSHIP SALVATION THEORY

[Sudakar]

I don't believe a saved person can be saved w/o doing any good works whatsoever. Faith and works go together like a hand and a glove. James even writes about that. @kaylagrl already posted the scriptures for it.

How much of good works?
Do you reserve the right to define the quantity of good works which proves one has saving faith?
Are you sinless? You need to clarify on these.

 

[Guojing]

Yes because they are two side of the same coin but the mistake made is when people think one produces the other but in fact they both produce each other side by side

I agree with you that was what James was literally saying. There is no escaping his meaning there.

The difference is that you regard James as writing to you, but I believe I am not of the 12 tribes. So we can agree to disagree on the audience.

 

[Sudakar]

Nope.

Why?

 

[Sudakar]

How little works must a Christian do? Is it okay for Christian to not do any at all?

So are you sinless? What happens to your evidence for saving faith if you do evil works?

 

[Deuteronomy]

...it is works which determine whether one is saved or not.

Hello Sudakar, how do our works "determine whether we are saved or not"?

Thanks!

~Deut

 

[Sudakar]

How little works must a Christian do? Is it okay for Christian to not do any at all?

So are you sinless? What happens to your evidence for saving faith if you do evil works?

 

[Sudakar]

I sin. But that sin has been atoned for. I’m not sinless.

You are atoned for by grace not by your works. If your good works is evidence of your saving faith, then your evil works must be an evidence of your lack of saving faith!!
Does a living faith do evil works?

 

[Sudakar]

Oh my. You’re on here preaching that James and Paul are preaching two different gospels and I’m the one contradicting myself. Bruh, you haven’t a clue.

2 Corinthians 11:17: "In this self-confident boasting I am not talking as the Lord would, but as a fool".

Do Bible writers always testify to the Lord's grace?

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

So are you sinless? What happens to your evidence for saving faith if you do evil works?

No I’m not sinless. Are you sinless? If not, you’re not obeying Matthew 5:48. Again, are you sinless?

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

How much of good works?
Do you reserve the right to define the quantity of good works which proves one has saving faith?
Are you sinless? You need to clarify on these.

Can you get by without doing any good works?

 

[Sudakar]

Have you cut your right hand off? Have you poked out your right eye?

Those who trust in their works need to cut off. Not those who trust in grace to show evidence of their saving faith.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Hello Sudakar, how do our works "determine whether we are saved or not"?

Sudakar is thoroughly confused about this whole matter. And even after being shown the truth, he prefers to be confused.

 

[Sudakar]

We obey it the best we can. We’re not perfect, so we sin and stumble. Are you sinless?

So why do you trust your love for the Lord which cannot make you obey Mathew 5:48, to show evidence of your saving faith?

 

[Sudakar]

We obey it the best we can. We’re not perfect, so we sin and stumble. Are you sinless?

James 2:10 "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it."

When you disobey mathew 5:48, your good works amounts to zero. Only Christ has done 100% good works. All christians have done zero. So except grace you have zero evidence of saving faith.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

Those who trust in their works need to cut off. Not those who trust in grace to show evidence of their saving faith.

Nice side step there bruh.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

James 2:10 "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it."

When you disobey mathew 5:48, your good works amounts to zero. Only Christ has done 100% good works. All christians have done zero. So except grace you have zero evidence of saving faith.

Again, are YOU sinless? Yes or no.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

2 Corinthians 11:17: "In this self-confident boasting I am not talking as the Lord would, but as a fool".

Do Bible writers always testify to the Lord's grace?

Calvin's Commentary on the Bible


17.What I speak, I speak not after the Lord His disposition, it is true, had an eye to God, but the outward appearance (838) might seem unsuitable to a servant of the Lord. At the same time, the things that Paul confesses respecting himself, he, on the other hand, condemns in the false Apostles. (839) For it was not his intention to praise himself, but simply to contrast himself with them, with the view of humbling them. (840) Hence he transfers to his own person what belonged to them, that he may thus open the eyes of the Corinthians. What I have rendered boldness, is in the Greek ὑπόστασις , as to the meaning of which term we have spoken in the ninth chapter. (2 Corinthians 9:4.) Subject-matter (841) or substance, unquestionably, would not be at all suitable here. (842)

 

[Sudakar]

Hello Sudakar, how do our works "determine whether we are saved or not"?

Thanks!

~Deut

Read all my posts.

 

[Sudakar]

No I’m not sinless. Are you sinless? If not, you’re not obeying Matthew 5:48. Again, are you sinless?

None is sinless. What happens to your evidence for saving faith if you do evil works?

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

None is sinless. What happens to your evidence for saving faith if you do evil works?

What happens to you when you do evil? You keep pointing the finger at me, but there’s three pointing right back at you.