the lie that Jesus ministry was law

[JaumeJ]

I feel pity for anyone who when asked to hear and obey the teachings of Jesus Christ he comes back with your replay. Paul is taught by Jesus Christ, and the message Paul forwards is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. There is also propphecy in the epistles, but not one change of the teaching of Jesus Christ.

Try to understand, but do not reply with Paul says. You are invited to learn directly for God in the Scriptures, and Jesus Christ, the actual Master, is God.

May God bless you with long-suffering and patience.

Paul said,I delight In the law of GOD after the Inward man,but I see another law In my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me Into captivity to the law of sin which Is In my members.

Be obedient to faith first and then JESUS produces the fruit,not us.

 

[Grace777x70]

Paul said,I delight In the law of GOD after the Inward man,but I see another law In my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me Into captivity to the law of sin which Is In my members.

Be obedient to faith first and then JESUS produces the fruit,not us.

I agree...be obedient to the faith first ( which is believing in Christ's work for us ) and then Jesus produces the fruit. not us.


I don't believe that Christians have trouble with any of Jesus words or teachings - sometimes from what I have seen is that it is the "application" and interpretation of the words and teachings that some are questioning and they take that as being "against the teachings of Jesus" because someone has a different interpretation and application of His words than they do.

Sometimes we try to dictate fruit in people's lives when the fruit bearing is the Holy Spirit's job as He transforms us with the beholding of the glory of the Lord. We try to mandate fruit in people as if we are the ones self-producing it - and that is not true in the Lord.

I think it is good to be open to listen to the Holy Spirit within us as only He can reveal Jesus to all of us and we all may have that piece of the spiritual puzzle. We all may have that piece the Spirit of God is teaching us at the time that we are in our growth in the Lord.

 

[JaumeJ]

Is anyone here suggesting we learn only from Paul and trash the teaching and example of Jesus Christ?

If so, the Word is quite perverted in this thread.

 

[FreeNChrist]

What is the sermon on the mount but a clarification of the law?

And by clarifying the Law and its demands Jesus buried any sane and conscious person.

 

[FreeNChrist]

When a brother shares with all that they should all learn from Jesus Christ and obey what He teaches, and it is consistently considered faulty to some, some had better re-examine their own alleged faith, because faith in Jesus Christ is obeying Him and hearing Him.

May God bless all who are in Jesus Christ and all who will come to Him, amen..........

Jesus is alive, He is not words written on a page in a book.

 

[FreeNChrist]

I feel pity for anyone who when asked to hear and obey the teachings of Jesus Christ he comes back with your replay. Paul is taught by Jesus Christ, and the message Paul forwards is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. There is also propphecy in the epistles, but not one change of the teaching of Jesus Christ.

Try to understand, but do not reply with Paul says. You are invited to learn directly for God in the Scriptures, and Jesus Christ, the actual Master, is God.

May God bless you with long-suffering and patience.

The writings of the Apostle Paul are the teachings of Jesus Christ.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Is anyone here suggesting we learn only from Paul and trash the teaching and example of Jesus Christ?

If so, the Word is quite perverted in this thread.

We're suggesting you the learn from the teachings of Jesus Christ given to Paul and written down by him for you to learn from.

 

[JaumeJ]

http://christianchat.com/miscellaneous/143598-my-dog-gift-god.html#post2848735 Here is something I just posted under the Miscellaneous caption that may help others understand more about our grace.

 

[FreeNChrist]

http://christianchat.com/miscellaneous/143598-my-dog-gift-god.html#post2848735 Here is something I just posted under the Miscellaneous caption that may help others understand more about our grace.

If you want to understand grace you can start with understanding that it's not "our" grace, it's God's grace. And it is found only in Christ Jesus Himself.

"The Apostle Paul…never disassociates God's grace from God's crucified Son. Always the two are found together, organically one and inseparable." A.W. Tozer

 

[Grace777x70]

Is anyone here suggesting we learn only from Paul and trash the teaching and example of Jesus Christ?

If so, the Word is quite perverted in this thread.

Not that I have seen. We need to view all scripture in the context it was given and with the view of the finished work of Christ after Jesus went to the cross, died, was buried, quickened by the Spirit, resurrected and ascended to the right hand of the Father.

In addition we need to see the believer as being in Christ and identify with His crucifixion, death, burial, resurrection and ascension to the right hand of the Father as we are in Him as one spirit now.

Paul explains the Lord's gospel as Jesus Himself gave it to him and what happened to the believer that is in Christ. The 4 gospels do not talk about this in an outright fashion. We need to rightly divide the scriptures.

That's my views on the subject. I love your heart for the Lord!

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Is anyone here suggesting we learn only from Paul and trash the teaching and example of Jesus Christ?

If so, the Word is quite perverted in this thread.

My apologies for writing my post that way,from now on I will say,when writing about paul's writings,

Paul Inspired by GOD the HOLY SPIRIT.

 

[JaumeJ]

Paul's letters are inspired by God I believe, but they differe in some ways from the prophets of the Old Testament. He does not write how "the Word of the Lord came to him," although he does talk of his experiences with Jesus Christ, and revelations he was given. I believe all who believe have received revelations from God, at least one for certain, and that is the knowledge that Salvation is in Jesus Christ.

It is by grace any soul is saved, but when we receive the gift of aith, likened to gold, we are not to bury it in th edirt until the Master returns. We are to work that gold into a profit for the Master's glory..........And so it goes.... The profit is for the Master, never for us, however there will be reward when we work for the Master......it is the nature of any who are saved.

 

[FreeNChrist]

“Weary, working, plodding one,​

Wherefore toil you so?​

Cease your doing, all was done​

Long, long ago.​

​

“Till to Jesus’ work you cling​

By a simple faith,​

Doing is a deadly thing,​

Doing ends in death.​

​

“Nothing either great or small,​

Nothing, sinner, No,​

Jesus did it, did it all,​

Long, long ago.​

​

“Cast your deadly ‘doing’ down,​

Down at Jesus’ feet;​

Stand in HIM, in HIM ALONE,​

Gloriously complete.”

​

- Author unknown to us, but surely known to God.​

 

[Grace777x70]

“Weary, working, plodding one,​

Wherefore toil you so?​

Cease your doing, all was done​

Long, long ago.​

​

“Till to Jesus’ work you cling​

By a simple faith,​

Doing is a deadly thing,​

Doing ends in death.​

​

“Nothing either great or small,​

Nothing, sinner, No,​

Jesus did it, did it all,​

Long, long ago.​

​

“Cast your deadly ‘doing’ down,​

Down at Jesus’ feet;​

Stand in HIM, in HIM ALONE,​

Gloriously complete.”

​

- Author unknown to us, but surely known to God.​

That is a good one! Any idea when that was written? Thanks.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Paul's letters are inspired by God I believe, but they differe in some ways from the prophets of the Old Testament. He does not write how "the Word of the Lord came to him," although he does talk of his experiences with Jesus Christ, and revelations he was given. I believe all who believe have received revelations from God, at least one for certain, and that is the knowledge that Salvation is in Jesus Christ.

It is by grace any soul is saved, but when we receive the gift of aith, likened to gold, we are not to bury it in th edirt until the Master returns. We are to work that gold into a profit for the Master's glory..........And so it goes.... The profit is for the Master, never for us, however there will be reward when we work for the Master......it is the nature of any who are saved.

IMO,sounds like a mixture of Grace and law.

Give JESUS all the credit,rest In HIM.The fruit will show up without physical effort.

 

[JaumeJ]

I know my brethren by the fruit they bear. IYO what I post "sounds like." Thank you for the analysis, but my devotion to God results in my always listening to Jesus Christ first, and attempting my best to follow His example only.

Jesus Christ teaches how to use the law lawfully. This is mentioned in the epistles, that is using the law lawfully. It would be unlawful to exact the law on oneself or others without faith, justice and mercy, as Jesus Christ teaches.

You are telling me to sit down and just be graced and not to act as a willing and faithful servant devoted to His Savior. I am afraid not one who believes Jesus Christ is able to do this.

IMO,sounds like a mixture of Grace and law.

Give JESUS all the credit,rest In HIM.The fruit will show up without physical effort.

 

[JaumeJ]

Do not hear me, hear Jesus Christ.

Do not be as the slothful servant, who, when given a talent of gold buried it in the dirt until the Master returened. He did nothing with the gift from the Master, rather, he ridiculed the Masgter by doing nothing. He was stripped of the talent of gold , and it was given to the servant who had worked many of the same. That slothful servant was thrown into the outer darkness where there will be weeping an gnashing of teeth. Do not walk, eyes shut, into the jaws of perdition.

 

[Stephen63]

What Titus defines is that grace "appeared" because Christ appeared. That God's grace is never detached from Christ Himself, as it is the very expression of the essence of God Himself.

Mighty big statement with no scripture. John said God is love, not grace.

 

[Grace777x70]

IMO - trying to have grace without Jesus is like trying to have water without the wet. They are one and go together. You cannot have one without the other.

2 Timothy 2:1 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] You therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.

1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Acts 20:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] "And now I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.

 

[JaumeJ]

All of those addressed here were servants of God, who were inspired to do good works when they availed themselves in devotion to God Almighty. The works they did and the works all do are furnished by God, not by the insufficient minds of men.
So, yes, all were in grace, but they would not have lasted long in grace had they buried their faith in the dirt.......

2 Timothy 2:1 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] You therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.

1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit,fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.