The lie that we are sinless if we are saved

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SophieT

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CS1 said:
hmm, what about not Sinning as we are in the sanctification PERFECTING PROCESS THAT WILL HAPPEN UNTIL WE DIE or CHRIST COMES BACK?
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sanctification is ongoing throughout our lives

we do not reach perfection so we cannot claim sinlessness

we are perfect in Christ...how God sees us...but our bodies are going to die

if we were perfect, our bodes would not die nor would we ever get sick

could you imagine a world where no one died and became more sinful as time went on? cause that is the condition of mankind...a spiral downwards as we can see from society....and the flood a picture of God's wrath of that condition. He made us in His image...but the devil has warped that image

but you know all that
 
BillG

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8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
 
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SophieT

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Oblio why are you here?

after your remark that it was good so many were dying in the pandemic, I would think you would at least stop trying to besmirch others

do you have something to contribute or are you just going around doing what you do

rhetorical question

he meant joe...not me...try to keep up
 
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1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
 
BillG

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SophieT said:
Oblio why are you here?

after your remark that it was good so many were dying in the pandemic, I would think you would at least stop trying to besmirch others

do you have something to contribute or are you just going around doing what you do

rhetorical question
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???
 
pittsburghjoe

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"Everybody who does not abide in Jesus sins. Those who abide in Jesus cannot sin because the seed of God is within them.

However sin still dwells within them; they just don’t act on it, because they have born anew into the kingdom of God, and now walk by the Spirit and not by the flesh."

via Jon David Banks
 
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SophieT

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Everyone wants to accuse me of being self-righteous ...but i'm doing it through His Image ...it's what we are supposed to do for SALVATION.
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salvation is the forgiveness of our sins

it is not an emphasis on sin

self righteous is not how I would describe you
 
pittsburghjoe

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SophieT said:
salvation is the forgiveness of our sins

it is not an emphasis on sin

self righteous is not how I would describe you
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Yeah, you think CHRIST'S Blood is handed to you ...It doesn't work that way. You have to live like Him. You are not even trying.
 
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SophieT

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pittsburghjoe said:
Yeah, you think CHRIST'S Blood is handed to you ...it doesn't work that way. You have to live like Him. You are not even trying.
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salvation is the forgiveness of our sins

it is not an emphasis on sin

self righteous is not how I would describe you
 
pittsburghjoe

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To actually Believe in JESUS is to change your perception of reality to form to GOD'S Image. Do you want GOD to Know you at Judgment or not? You have to actively hate sin if you expect to be considered REBORN. Give up the animal side. Develop self control through Faith. Accept GOD'S Love that Forms you to His inseparable Image. Make that Love Two-Way.
 
Magenta

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pittsburghjoe said:
Yeah, you think CHRIST'S Blood is handed to you ...It doesn't work that way. You have to live like Him. You are not even trying.
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Who has lived like Jesus aside from Jesus Himself? Sinless, unblemished, healing the sick, raising
the dead, calming storms, walking on water etc... How many times have you done any of these things?
 
CS1

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BillG said:
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Sorry brother please expand
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all Christians those born-again are in what is known as the sanctification process.

Complete salvation is: today we are saved. tomorrow we will be saved, and soon we are going to be saved.

Today is the day of salvation. You will never be good enough to be enough good to be saved. IF today you are to be called home you are saved or you are not. What we are to do is self-examine ourselves each day to see if we are in the faith. Work out our salvation with fear & trembling.

We are to grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus. Some take that to mean they must know all of what the Word of God has to say. One can never reach that objective. We are in the sanctification process so the Holy Spirit can remove those things in our hearts and mind we are unaware of. Those things that offend God as we are being sanctified God help us remove them from our lives by getting the victory over them. More oil in the lamp, becoming the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.

Allowing God to perfect us in HIM through the process as we build our relationship with HIM. the flesh loses its hold on our lives and we become victorious to move on in the Lord. I don't have to create or do something when I am changed. my desires become HIS and the flesh is not profitable to those things of God because they are Spirit and not fleshly. This is why so many Christians are not satisfied with the walk with God because they have built their walk on false narratives. They study the word of God to use as a distraction to the temptation which leaves them to struggle when they are not studying. The walk becomes more of a work of doing instead of being.
They have no real prayer life.
 
Magenta

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BillG said:
1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
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1 John 2:1-2
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BillG

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CS1 said:
all Christians those born-again are in what is known as the sanctification process.

Complete salvation is: today we are saved. tomorrow we will be saved, and soon we are going to be saved.

Today is the day of salvation. You will never be good enough to be enough good to be saved. IF today you are to be called home you are saved or you are not. What we are to do is self-examine ourselves each day to see if we are in the faith. Work out our salvation with fear & trembling.

We are to grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus. Some take that to mean they must know all of what the Word of God has to say. One can never reach that objective. We are in the sanctification process so the Holy Spirit can remove those things in our hearts and mind we are unaware of. Those things that offend God as we are being sanctified God help us remove them from our lives by getting the victory over them. More oil in the lamp, becoming the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.

Allowing God to perfect us in HIM through the process as we build our relationship with HIM. the flesh loses its hold on our lives and we become victorious to move on in the Lord. I don't have to create or do something when I am changed. my desires become HIS and the flesh is not profitable to those things of God because they are Spirit and not fleshly. This is why so many Christians are not satisfied with the walk with God because they have built their walk on false narratives. They study the word of God to use as a distraction to the temptation which leaves them to struggle when they are not studying. The walk becomes more of a work of doing instead of being.
They have no real prayer life.
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Ok thanks for clarifying.
I understand sanctification but was unsure as to whether you were implying we can be sinless in our walk with Jesus.
 
pittsburghjoe

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Magenta said:
Who has lived like Jesus aside from Jesus Himself? Sinless, unblemished, healing the sick, raising
the dead, calming storms, walking on water etc... How many times have you done any of these things?
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::sigh:: are you pretending that Adam didn't have an image that The Last Adam Fixed?
 
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