The Lord Jesus and His Holy Scriptures are One (The Scripture Personified) Pt. 1 & 2

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oldethennew

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for hub an myself, Yeshusa led us to the KJV for His purpose = it does have the 'basic principles of God'
through and through...
we also 'understand' that there are no 'PERFECT TRANSLATIONS', for, ALL translators are flawed and with sin,
and therefore their 'language' is also flawed in the same manner...
as it is written;
ZEP. 3:9.
For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon The Name of The LORD,
to serve Him with "one consent".
it's the ONLY Scripture in the OT that has 'every letter of the Hebrew alphabet'...
 
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KJV1611

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Chester said:
Oh?? !! Let me suggest you learn to read Hebrew and Greek, and then read the text in those languages. Then you may find that the KJV only emphasis is not even needed . . . !!:eek:;)
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Why would I do that? Then I would be like you. No thanks, I came out of that original language cult years ago.
 
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ChosenbyHim said:
Well P_rehbein, the Holy Spirit is the very author of the Holy Scripture. And I believe that the Holy Spirit will lead us to the right Bible. Indeed, the Holy Spirit gives us understanding and we receive illumination from Him. It is crucial that we have the right Bible. That way we can grow in our faith and be made complete and perfect (2 Timothy 3:16).
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Your god is too small; you consider him unable to use any version of Scripture.
 
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KJV1611 said:
I'm certainly not near the Christian that you think you are. I'm more like Peter and Paul, men who did the things they didn't want to do and didn't do the things they want to do... You know, real Christians who realize that they are not perfect.
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please that false humility is over played. Out of the abundance of your heart, your mouth spoke. Now you try to justify it by saying you are like Peter and Paul? They both died for the Gospel and were led by the Holy Spirit to write the 2/3 of the New Testament . Maybe you should trying being more like Jesus and guard your mouth. Or speak correctly and not use foul language .
 
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DorothyMae

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ChosenbyHim said:
Well brethren, after these two videos are posted. I plan to post 2 more video teachings also after this. And I am simply posting these other messages to make sure I am continuing to do my part in sharing with you all on here the truth on this very important matter. For those who have hardened your heart regarding this matter, I do pray that God will lead you to repentance. And that you will return back to His blessed and authoritative word, the King James Holy Scripture. In addition, after this, All I can do is encourage and exhort you to take the time to watch and listen to them. And for those of you that have already made up your mind to not to even watch them, well then that's on you. I cannot persuade you to do otherwise. Only the Lord God can open your eyes to His word, the blessed King James Holy Bible.


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In this video series, we will be looking at a very unique subject and that is by far one of the most important subject matters out there. Since it is a subject that deals with the blessed and wonderful Lord Jesus Christ and the relationship, unity and oneness which He has with His word, the holy Scriptures. And how they are in fact one and the same. Make sure to follow along in your King James Bibles as we go through this important study together.
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I would love it if one day someone posted something and said it was new but was ages OLD known already by many to be true. The marketing culture has influenced us to think something has to be “new and improved” to be interesting.
 
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CS1 said:
please that false humility is over played. Out of the abundance of your heart, your mouth spoke. Now you try to justify it by saying you are like Peter and Paul? They both died for the Gospel and were led by the Holy Spirit to write the 2/3 of the New Testament . Maybe you should trying being more like Jesus and guard your mouth. Or speak correctly and not use foul language .
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Luckily I’m accountable to Jesus and not religious folk, so why don’t you worry about you and I’ll worry about me. Fair enough?

One last thing, the term dumb ass comes from the Bible.... dumb ass.
 
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Dino246 said:
Cultic beliefs about preservation are useless as well.
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If God inspired His words but didn’t preserve them, then we’ve got nothing. The original inspiration means nothing. Unfortunately, in this Laodicean age, if one believes they have the words of God they are seen as cultic.

The Laodicean age deserves a Laodicean Bible or Bibles...
 
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John146 said:
Inspiration without preservation is useless...
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Exactly! And preservation is not a 1611 English edition that only 9% of the world's population understand - and then of that 9% many of them do not understand the old English well at all - so the idea that the 1611 KJV is God's answer to preservation is just not so!
 
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John146 said:
If God inspired His words but didn’t preserve them, then we’ve got nothing. The original inspiration means nothing.
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You're tilting at windmills.

John146 said:
Unfortunately, in this Laodicean age, if one believes they have the words of God they are seen as cultic.

The Laodicean age deserves a Laodicean Bible or Bibles...
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More wacky misinterpretation.
 
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John146

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Chester said:
Exactly! And preservation is not a 1611 English edition that only 9% of the world's population understand - and then of that 9% many of them do not understand the old English well at all - so the idea that the 1611 KJV is God's answer to preservation is just not so!
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Ok, if not the KJV, then where is God’s holy preserved words?
 
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John146 said:
Ok, if not the KJV, then where is God’s holy preserved words?
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God's holy preserved words are found all over the world in many translations and in many languages: sadly there are some languages into which God's holy Word has not yet been translated . . .
 
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Chester said:
God's holy preserved words are found all over the world in many translations and in many languages: sadly there are some languages into which God's holy Word has not yet been translated . . .
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Where are they in English?
 
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Chester said:
Exactly! And preservation is not a 1611 English edition that only 9% of the world's population understand - and then of that 9% many of them do not understand the old English well at all - so the idea that the 1611 KJV is God's answer to preservation is just not so!
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Where did you get your data? Thanks
 
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Where did you get your data? Thanks
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Good question:

When I say only 9% of the world's population understands the KJV that is admittedly a very round figure. From various estimates 5% to 8% of the world's population speaks English as a first language. Maybe 20 to 25% of the world's population understands at least some English.

My 9% is a very rough estimate that I picked up from discussion with various Bible translators of those that are able to read an English translation and understand it well enough to really understand it and to be saved. Then my observation "many do not understand the old English well at all" is simply my own observations from interactions with young people form various backgrounds and their reading in the KJV.
 
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John146 said:
Where are they in English?
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The original inspired manuscripts were not in English. But many godly men have translated God's Word into English in many different translations that give us the meaning of the original manuscripts in a way that we can easily understand. None of those English translations is inspired like the original manuscripts were inspired.

There are some English translations that are much better than others. Some have some big issues (like the New World Bible Translation). Some are very excellent representations of the original manuscripts (like the KJV, the NASB, and the ESV).

The English language is not the most important and best language in the world, and the KJV is not God's supernatural gift to all the world in the English language. God's gift of inspiration is the original manuscripts in Greek and Hebrew from which completely trustworthy translations have been made in many languages.

If you want to argue what is the best translation into any language, some would argue for the 1534 Luther translation into German. And since I speak a little German I can vouch for that translation as a good one. But it is just as crazy to say that translation is the only and best one as it is to say that of the KJV.

Lets just be honest about translations: they are done by men - let's not claim inspiration for any translation.

Of course anyone may disagree and you are allowed your opinion. But here is my opinion.
 
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Chester said:
The original inspired manuscripts were not in English. But many godly men have translated God's Word into English in many different translations that give us the meaning of the original manuscripts in a way that we can easily understand. None of those English translations is inspired like the original manuscripts were inspired.

There are some English translations that are much better than others. Some have some big issues (like the New World Bible Translation). Some are very excellent representations of the original manuscripts (like the KJV, the NASB, and the ESV).

The English language is not the most important and best language in the world, and the KJV is not God's supernatural gift to all the world in the English language. God's gift of inspiration is the original manuscripts in Greek and Hebrew from which completely trustworthy translations have been made in many languages.

If you want to argue what is the best translation into any language, some would argue for the 1534 Luther translation into German. And since I speak a little German I can vouch for that translation as a good one. But it is just as crazy to say that translation is the only and best one as it is to say that of the KJV.

Lets just be honest about translations: they are done by men - let's not claim inspiration for any translation.

Of course anyone may disagree and you are allowed your opinion. But here is my opinion.
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Are you doubling down on your earlier post?

“God's holy preserved words are found all over the world in many translations and in many languages”

If God has preserved His words in the English language...where are they? Which version are they located?
 
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John146 said:
Are you doubling down on your earlier post?

“God's holy preserved words are found all over the world in many translations and in many languages”

If God has preserved His words in the English language...where are they? Which version are they located?
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When I wrote: "God's holy preserved words are found all over the world in many translations and in many languages" I meant exactly that. Notice I did not say his "inspired" words. There is a difference between inspiration and preservation (at least how I define them).

No English translation is "inspired". Many English translations are reputable and do an excellent job at conveying well the original meaning of the original inspired manuscripts. There is no perfect English translation. I think we need ongoing and open discussion about what are the best English translations; and in my opinion the KJV still ranks as one of the best English translations.

Giving the KJV of 1611 the title of "inspired," in my opinion, is violating Revelation 22:18,19: "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
 
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