The lying spirit of the Pre-trib Rapture

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Does your daily life reflect the peace, love, and mercy given to those Jesus calls His? I know many that prefer God’s justice to His mercy, but it is usually reserved for those that don’t think like they do. It is available to all who would believe.

I think you mean judgment instead of justice. Mercy rejoices against judgment (James 2:13), but justice, ie righteousness, is inseparable from mercy.

 

[Sipsey]

I think you mean judgment instead of justice. Mercy rejoices against judgment (James 2:13), but justice, ie righteousness, is inseparable from mercy.

In Scripture, justice and judgment are closely intertwined, as both reflect God’s character and His expectations for humanity. Here’s how they are related:


1. Justice as the Foundation of Judgment:


Scripture often presents justice as the standard upon which judgment is based. For example, Psalm 89:14 says, “Righteousness and justice are the foundation of Your throne; steadfast love and faithfulness go before You.” God’s judgments are always rooted in His perfect justice, ensuring they are fair and impartial.


2. Judgment Enforces Justice:


Judgment is the action or process through which justice is carried out. For instance, in Isaiah 61:8, God declares, “For I, the Lord, love justice; I hate robbery and wrongdoing.” This reflects His commitment to judging sin and upholding righteousness in accordance with His justice.


3. Justice Reflects God’s Holiness in Judgment:


God’s justice ensures that His judgments are neither arbitrary nor biased. In Deuteronomy 32:4, He is described as, “The Rock, His work is perfect, for all His ways are justice. A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and upright is He.” His judgments are always fair because they align perfectly with His just nature.


4. Human Responsibility in Justice and Judgment:


Scripture also calls people to reflect God’s justice in their judgments. In Micah 6:8, believers are commanded to, “act justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with your God.” Likewise, in Zechariah 7:9, God says, “Render true judgments, show kindness and mercy to one another.”


5. Eternal Judgment and Ultimate Justice:


In the New Testament, justice and judgment converge in Christ, who will ultimately judge the world. 2 Corinthians 5:10 says, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.” This final judgment will perfectly reflect God’s justice.





In summary, justice is the moral standard by which God evaluates and enacts judgment, and His judgments serve to uphold and fulfill His justice. As believers, we are called to reflect this divine harmony by pursuing justice in our own judgments and actions.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Scripture often presents justice as the standard upon which judgment is based. For example, Psalm 89:14 says, “Righteousness and justice are the foundation of Your throne; steadfast love and faithfulness go before You.” God’s judgments are always rooted in His perfect justice, ensuring they are fair and impartial.

That psalm actually says justice and judgment, not righteousness and justice. Righteousness means justice, so they are the same thing. Judgment is making a decision

I agree with the rest of your post

 

[Gideon300]

Here's a false prophet for you, and not just a false prophet but an idiot. this man has convinced thousands upon thousands of Christians that the Muslims prophecy has merit and the Antichrist is going to be a Muslim That writes a white horse and makes a deal for seven years with Israel. what a horrible man what an idiot. does he not know about Muslim prophecy how it is rubbish, their prophecy is made up, out of thin air, only God can give prophecy and it come true. their profits are liars and dreamers and make up prophecy. but NO he breathes life into their prophecy in thousands upon thousands of Christian minds.

Muslim prophecy is written by man's mind. God's prophecy is inspired by God and written by men inspired by God. Muslims have no power, so why does he insist on breathing life into their prophecy.

Perfect example of a pre tribulation believing Christian. Who walks in the flesh and not the spirit.

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I think you might be surprised and embarrassed. Islam is growing quickly, mostly because Muslims have larger families than many others. Right now, there is a move to merge Islam and Catholicism. Some Jews are very much on board with a merger of the 3 supposed Abrahamic religions. There is a building in Abu Dhabi that has a mosque, synagogue and Catholic meeting place.

There are many deceptions. Some churches have self indulgent entertainment and call it worship. The counterfeit of the Holy Spirit is manifested in many places and many Christians are clueless.

The reality is that you don't know. You are rude and ignorant. Calling someone an idiot because you don't agree with them is unwise. Or perhaps you forget the exhortation of Jesus, "But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be subject to the fire of hell." Matthew 5:22

Unless you have the apostolic authority of Paul or James, you'd do well to tone it down.

 

[Rufflebug]

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[NotmebutHim]

 

[ResidentAlien]

Greetings: I recently completed a website for my client on two books we turned into courses and would like to offer 10 people free access to the course entitled “The Appointed Time.” I can tell you that it is unlike anything you have ever read concerning the end of times. The book / study reveals God’s plan and timing for mankind hidden in the Bible in verses you may know, but have never understood. God is now revealing His plan to us, as we are now at the appointed time of the end.
Reviewers will have free access to the course to validate functionality and ease of use and will also provide a few lines of feedback on the content itself. While this is a short course that one could easily complete in one sitting, we ask reviewers to complete the course within two weeks. Reviewers will also have access to the author for Q&A.
If you would like to participate in this project, please respond to [email protected]. The first 10 to respond will receive further instruction directly. Your privacy is strictly protected, and your email will not be used for any other reason then what is necessary to complete the course.
Thanks!

Are you Alexander Cross? Is there a website I can check out that has information about him, background, beliefs, or religious affiliation, etc.?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Are you Alexander Cross? Is there a website I can check out that has information about him, background, beliefs, or religious affiliation, etc.?

His email address is an email forwarding service, so it's not his real email

 

[ResidentAlien]

His email address is an email forwarding service, so it's not his real email

Oh I know; but the "two books" he's talking about are by someone named Alexander Cross. Probably all the same person.

 

[Blain]

A liar and an idiot. I think that's the only names I've called people, and both of those were absolutely true

What other name could I have called a man that breathes life into a prophecy that has no merit. thousands upon thousands of Christians believed him. gave life to Muslim prophecies where Muslim prophecies are fake and don't exist, don't have any merit, and definitely don't come from God. what other name could I have called him but an idiot. and that was me being gentle and kind I could have called him a lot worse, and for the liar. jesus called people liars plenty, so if you are going to accuse me of something pick on something real.

calling anyone an idiot or a liar is not ok either way you look at it and no it was not true now maybe a liar if it was actually warrented but it was not they simply disagree with you and suddenly they are a lair and an idiot? No not ok and uncalled for pleade refrain from name calling

 

[Blain]

Sorry I missed this second bit. lying spirit is the perfect wording. God sent them strong delusion that they might believe a lie. because nowhere in the Bible does it say Jesus comes before the tribulation. so therefore it's a laying spirit. Have you not read any scriptures that God sent lying spirits. because they received not the love of the truth.

oh I have and just so you know re read the context of which Jesus said that it was not in any way to be taken out of context you cannot just cherry pick Christ's words and use it as you please that is disrespectful to his word. who was he speaking to and what was he speaking about? that is what his words are to be applied to not to be used because of a viewpoint you disagree with

Also if you say there is nowhere in scripture he says it doesn't happen before the tribulation then where does it say it happens after it?

 

[Sipsey]

That psalm actually says justice and judgment, not righteousness and justice. Righteousness means justice, so they are the same thing. Judgment is making a decision

I agree with the rest of your post

This verse can be translated either way;

Hebrew words often have layered meanings, and translators choose which nuance to emphasize based on context.


• The Hebrew “צֶדֶק” (tzedek) can mean “righteousness” or “justice,” and “מִשְׁפָּט” (mishpat) can mean “justice” or “judgment.”


• Some translations may emphasize God’s moral character (“righteousness”), while others focus on His legal authority (“justice”).

 

[SpeakWhatYouSee]

The lying spirit of the pre-tribulation

I thought I would move this into the title so you don't even have to read the posts you can just see it in the title and it would make more of an impact.

The lying spirit of the Pre-trib Rapture


1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2The same was in the beginning with God.

3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Jesus is the word and if you reject the word you reject Jesus that's the way it's always been did you ever wonder where the Pharisees and Sadducees

went. did you ever wonder about Matthew 24 the beginning of sorrow before the tribulation starts. how that you would be brought before the council, and that whoever killed you would think that he was doing God's service . this is before the tribulation even starts this is the beginning of sorrow. did you ever wonder about those verses it's Bible prophecy that has to come true before the tribulation starts.

i'd like to introduce to you that Pharisees and Sadducees

They are everywhere you've just never seen them because that door has been closed but it looks like the lords about to open the door hopefully. the Pharisees and the Sadducees are right here on this website and right in the Pew sitting next to you at church. and 99% chance that the preacher that's preaching to you on a Sunday is a Pharisee And you just need to know how to open the door to see the Pharisees and Sadducees come to the surface.

They're just like the Pharisees back in the old days but now they're called Christians And their hearts are not right with God but they think their hearts are right with God.

I'm not really going to warn you about the dangers of this as you all have a Bible and you know how it played out, or how it will play out .

Just recently I went to a new church Chit chatting with a group I mentioned I believed we were going to go through the tribulation 3 or 4 of them said yes I believe that then one stood up and said we don't believe that here that was the end of the conversation I went back again and I was told not to talk about it any more . A super sensitive underbelly I heard that church lost three or four members because of that situation I don't know what happened to them. I wasn't prepared for what was going to happen just thought I would share that with you .

If a Christian rejects God's word more than likely he is a Phariseesor Sadducees.

Because Jesus is the word and remember. what Jesus said, few there be that find it .

Had a similar type conversation not too long ago sat at a table with a couple other females when that same topic of conversation came up.

One woman was kind of saying that they couldn't envision such times and changes against society happening or being as bad as some people predict.

I felt the need to remind her of what happened during covid lockdown period and some of the frantic public scenes in supermarkets reported, and the almost public demonisation of none vaccine takers by normally reserved, respectable very public figures eg Late HRH Queen Elizabth; How over night from being able to walk around outside freely, to being arrested for being outside without good cause.

I basically told her to expect the very worst if she's unable to buy or sell.

I can still recall the look in her face.

I can only described it as a look approaching that as the rich man who was told to give away all his possessions to follow Jesus.

 

[BOY]

calling anyone an idiot or a liar is not ok either way you look at it and no it was not true now maybe a liar if it was actually warrented but it was not they simply disagree with you and suddenly they are a lair and an idiot? No not ok and uncalled for pleade refrain from name calling

What New Commandment is this. Thou shalt not call any one a liar. some of us Christians have had enough of adid Commandments just another lying spirit.

 

[BOY]

oh I have and just so you know re read the context of which Jesus said that it was not in any way to be taken out of context you cannot just cherry pick Christ's words and use it as you please that is disrespectful to his word. who was he speaking to and what was he speaking about? that is what his words are to be applied to not to be used because of a viewpoint you disagree with

Also if you say there is nowhere in scripture he says it doesn't happen before the tribulation then where does it say it happens after it?

He was speaking to you.

 

[BOY]

Also if you say there is nowhere in scripture he says it doesn't happen before the tribulation then where does it say it happens after it?

See God has sent you strong delusion because you can't see it.
The last Trumpet that sounds as the two end time Witnesses are raised from the dead in the clouds in revelation11 ?


Rev11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


And we all know Jesus comes in the clouds at the last Trumpet


1Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the DEAD in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the CLOUDS, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


1Cori15:51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


Revelation11 has everything it's got the right time period, the last 42 months, as the Holy City is given to the Gentiles. it's got the Resurrection/Rapture, the dead rising first. it's got them raised in the clouds. it's got the last trumpet. What more could you ask for? It's got everything you need to build a strong foundation, a firm foundation. It's got more than enough to build your house upon a rock.


And if that's right then Matthew 24 is right.



Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days

shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, THEN the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and THEN shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the CLOUDS of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a TRUMPET and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.



And here is another one.



2 Thess2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


That day cannot come except that man of sin be revealed, and sits in the Temple of God. and He cannot sit in the Temple of God and till the temple is built, and he doesn't sit in the temple until middle of the seven years


Daniel 11:36 and 37. Daniel 9:27.


Build your house upon a rock not on circumstantial evidence.

 

[BOY]

Also if you say there is nowhere in scripture he says it doesn't happen before the tribulation then where does it say it happens after it?

See God has sent you strong delusion because you can't see it.
The last Trumpet that sounds as the two end time Witnesses are raised from the dead in the clouds in revelation11 ?

Rev11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

And we all know Jesus comes in the clouds at the last Trumpet

1Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the DEAD in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the CLOUDS, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Cori15:51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Revelation11 has everything it's got the right time period, the last 42 months, as the Holy City is given to the Gentiles. it's got the Resurrection/Rapture, the dead rising first. it's got them raised in the clouds. it's got the last trumpet. What more could you ask for? It's got everything you need to build a strong foundation, a firm foundation. It's got more than enough to build your house upon a rock.

And if that's right then Matthew 24 is right.

Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days

shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, THEN the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and THEN shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the CLOUDS of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a TRUMPET and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

And here is another one.

2 Thess2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

That day cannot come except that man of sin be revealed, and sits in the Temple of God. and He cannot sit in the Temple of God and till the temple is built, and he doesn't sit in the temple until middle of the seven years

Daniel 11:36 and 37. Daniel 9:27.

Build your house upon a rock not on circumstantial evidence.

 

[BOY]

Does your daily life reflect the peace, love, and mercy given to those Jesus calls His? I know many that prefer God’s justice to His mercy, but it is usually reserved for those that don’t think like they do. It is available to all who would believe.

yes and I also get a sword to slice and dice

 

[BOY]

May the LORD judge between you & me, & do so quickly. May everything be laid bare to the people who we are, and may it be plain for all to see.

He already has.

 

[Blain]

See God has sent you strong delusion because you can't see it.
The last Trumpet that sounds as the two end time Witnesses are raised from the dead in the clouds in revelation11 ?

Rev11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

And we all know Jesus comes in the clouds at the last Trumpet

1Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the DEAD in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the CLOUDS, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Cori15:51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Revelation11 has everything it's got the right time period, the last 42 months, as the Holy City is given to the Gentiles. it's got the Resurrection/Rapture, the dead rising first. it's got them raised in the clouds. it's got the last trumpet. What more could you ask for? It's got everything you need to build a strong foundation, a firm foundation. It's got more than enough to build your house upon a rock.

And if that's right then Matthew 24 is right.

Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days

shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, THEN the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and THEN shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the CLOUDS of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a TRUMPET and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

And here is another one.

2 Thess2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

That day cannot come except that man of sin be revealed, and sits in the Temple of God. and He cannot sit in the Temple of God and till the temple is built, and he doesn't sit in the temple until middle of the seven years

Daniel 11:36 and 37. Daniel 9:27.

Build your house upon a rock not on circumstantial evidence.

I never said I believed in a pretrib rapture all I am saying is that the same could be said for post trib and all the scripture you posted relies on the trumpet and the second coming not a harpazo also I would be careful speaking for God you might not like how he reacts to that my father loves me and would not ever send a delusion on me you clearly don't know him or else you would never say something so laughable