The Mahdi is the Antichrist

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Jackson123

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What is the first rider not Jesus?

Revelation 6:1-2 "Then, in my vision, I saw the Lamb break one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures shout in a voice like thunder, 'Come!' Immediately I saw a white horse appear, and its rider was holding a bow, he was given a victor's crown and he went away, to go from victory to victory."

He has has the authority to break the seals, plus He has a victor's crown, King of Kings, before He even starts.
He is leading the others with His bow and crown.

This book is about the revelation of Jesus the Christ.. stated in the first line.


Than , in my vision I SAW the Lamb break one of the seal

Who has authority to break the seal lamb or horse?
Seem to me The Lamb not Horse
 

Jackson123

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Keep laying it bare bro......the beast is not Roman....he comes out of Islam and the false prophet which is the pope will POINT TO HIM AS GOD....

Seem to me If the beast = the antichrist, than the beast must went out from us, not muslim
Because muslim not went out from us
1 John 2

18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming,even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
 
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Seem to me If the beast = the antichrist, than the beast must went out from us, not muslim
Because muslim not went out from us
1 John 2

18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming,even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
The generalization of the proof text you use to identifiy THE BEAST/The Little Horn/ The Man of Sin falls way short of proving what you are trying to prove.......!!

I keep saying it and it keeps getting swept under the rug....Daniel 10 and 11 TELLS US EXACTLY WHERE THE BEAST COMES FROM and everybody keeps denying it and saying erroneously he is from Rome....pay attention to the DEFINITE ARTICLES THE AND THAT!!
 

Jackson123

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The generalization of the proof text you use to identifiy THE BEAST/The Little Horn/ The Man of Sin falls way short of proving what you are trying to prove.......!!

I keep saying it and it keeps getting swept under the rug....Daniel 10 and 11 TELLS US EXACTLY WHERE THE BEAST COMES FROM and everybody keeps denying it and saying erroneously he is from Rome....pay attention to the DEFINITE ARTICLES THE AND THAT!!
So do not you believe the beast is the antichrist ?
 
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The Islamic world empire has ruled or currently rules a lot of the territory that used to belong to the Roman empire, funnily enough.
Oh they do?

Since when did they gain control and have their leaders control European nations?

The bible does not say the man of sin comes from the middle east. It says he is the roman prince who is to come. Hid people destroyed the city in 70 AD.
 
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I think the Mahdi will be the Antichrist. Jesus (our Jesus) will be their antichrist. Their Jesus (not ours) will be the false prophet.
The antichrist does not make himself a religious leader until he defiles the temple. Then he makes his won religions, and destroys all the rest. Declaring himself to be the god man.
 
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Also, the Antichrist does not "pretend to be Christ". He pretends to be the Messiah (of the world). He will bring peace on a massive scale but he won't claim to be Jesus.
He enters the jewish temple. Defiles it, blasphmes God, and makes himself up to be the holy one.

Before this, he is a roman prince who assumes and takes power by promising peace. Making a 7 year covenant with many nations. Only to break it after 3.5 years. He also does not do this until satan enters him, Satan is the one who gives him authority. And makes him a religious leader. And let me tell you. Satan will destroy all world religions which appose him. Islam and its fractured state will not more receive him as their leader then the jews or hindus false christians or any other world religion.
 
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The generalization of the proof text you use to identifiy THE BEAST/The Little Horn/ The Man of Sin falls way short of proving what you are trying to prove.......!!

I keep saying it and it keeps getting swept under the rug....Daniel 10 and 11 TELLS US EXACTLY WHERE THE BEAST COMES FROM and everybody keeps denying it and saying erroneously he is from Rome....pay attention to the DEFINITE ARTICLES THE AND THAT!!
You ignore Dan 2, Dan 7 And Dan 9.

Dan 10 concerns persia and greece.

The end of daniel 11 is when russia and persia (most think iran) gather their armies, and God wipes them off the fact of the earth with the use of no army (supernaturally)

Dan 12 is the begining of the antichrist. Who comes from ROME, the FINAL gentile power according to Dan 2, and dan 7, and mentiond in daniel 9 (the prince who is to come)
 
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You ignore Dan 2, Dan 7 And Dan 9.

Dan 10 concerns persia and greece.

The end of daniel 11 is when russia and persia (most think iran) gather their armies, and God wipes them off the fact of the earth with the use of no army (supernaturally)

Dan 12 is the begining of the antichrist. Who comes from ROME, the FINAL gentile power according to Dan 2, and dan 7, and mentiond in daniel 9 (the prince who is to come)
Brother....understand one thing...I am not ignoring anything....Daniel 10 and 11 are EQUALLY CLEAR in their application....ROME has a part, SO DOES GREECE....and from ROME'S part comes the FALSE PROPHET.....you really need to quit saying I am ignoring scripture because I am not.....and again I want to say....I held the same POSITION you do for probably 20 plus years......but like anything else in scripture, there are deeper truths and understandings that come with study.....I HAVE YET to see any one of those that push ROME lay bare and discuss the FORERUNNER to the BEAST found in the culmination of ALEXANDER'S conquest and the end of HIS KINGDOM as found in chapters 10 and 11.........
 
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So do not you believe the beast is the antichrist ?
If you believe that, you have not read anything I have written.....THE LITTLE HORN OF DANIEL IS THE BEAST OF REVELATION IS THAT MAN OF SIN OF THESSALONIANS IS THE SON OF PERDITION OF THESSALONIANS IS THE ANTI-CHRIST SO CALLED..........
 

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The Mahdi belief is only held by Shiite Muslims who believe he is a direct descendant of Mohammed.
My point of view is that I doubt that Israel would accept someone with a Muslim background to be
involved in some peace treaty or Temple building especially when the main Shiite country happens to be
Iran. I might be wrong about this but to me at present it seems highly unlikely
 
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The Mahdi belief is only held by Shiite Muslims who believe he is a direct descendant of Mohammed.
My point of view is that I doubt that Israel would accept someone with a Muslim background to be
involved in some peace treaty or Temple building especially when the main Shiite country happens to be
Iran. I might be wrong about this but to me at present it seems highly unlikely
My view....anyone that believes a particular group, ethnicity, people or religion will have a hard time accepting the beast is disregarding the absolute truth that GOD SENDS STRONG DELUSION and everyone that will not receive the love of the truth will be deluded and RECEIVE the beast.....regardless of background!!!
 

Jackson123

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If you believe that, you have not read anything I have written.....THE LITTLE HORN OF DANIEL IS THE BEAST OF REVELATION IS THAT MAN OF SIN OF THESSALONIANS IS THE SON OF PERDITION OF THESSALONIANS IS THE ANTI-CHRIST SO CALLED..........
If you believe that beast is the antichrist, than you have to believe that the beast not come from muslim.

Because John say antichrist went out from us (Christian)
 
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If you believe that beast is the antichrist, than you have to believe that the beast not come from muslim.

Because John say antichrist went out from us (Christian)
Wrong again........like usual
 
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If you believe that beast is the antichrist, than you have to believe that the beast not come from muslim.

Because John say antichrist went out from us (Christian)

The beast is man his number is 666. The antichrist the apposing spirit as another other than Christ, against Christ . Deceived man led by the god of this world.
 
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Concerning Islam.

God will not give up on the world until the world gives up on Him, and the world has to rebel against God by way of all nations coming together with the same belief system concerning religion.

So how is Islam going to be that belief system that does it, when the Asians are not going to accept it, the Europeans are not going to accept it, and many nations will not accept it, except for the Arab nations.

So Islam is not going to be that belief system that causes the world to rebel against God.

Also the only way the world can rebel against God is if the nations come together, and take away the hope of the world claiming no personal God, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior.

But Islam claims Allah as their God.

Also the Bible warns us of the new age movement that interprets the Bible according to the occult, and evolution, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher in the evolutionary process, and love, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher in the evolutionary process, and love, and they believe he will cause them to evolve to be greater, and spiritual, in the future.

Which the time will come that the world will only accept the new age movement interpretation of the Bible that all religions are interpreted by them, and the new age movement is the future for this sinful world, and a stepping stone to the antichrist, New Age Christ, who will claim to be God by harnessing the power of nature, obtaining power, evolved, and will share this power with all who follow him.

So the new age movement is the future for this world, not Islam, which the world will accept the new age movement, and Hindu, and Buddhism will, for it is based on evolution, and attributes nature to God, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior which is a problem with other religions accepting the Bible.

The new age movement is a Caucasian plan, and Italy, and the Pope are going along with it.

The Bible says Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece, will never have physical dominion again, but their ways were prolonged for a time and a season, which means their ways are still on earth so it is the same as if they have not fallen yet.

Which Babylon represents human religion, Medo-Persia represents physical cruelty, and Greece represents human wisdom.

The Roman Empire does not lose their dominion until Jesus puts them down, which represents pushing for power, territory, which they shall devour the whole earth, tread it down, and break it in pieces.

The statue of a man representing all 4 kingdoms does not fall until Jesus hits the 10 toes that are of the Roman Empire, and then all 4 kingdoms fall, for all 4 kingdoms are still on earth for their ways are still on earth, and the beast kingdom represents all 4 kingdom's ways in its entirety, the complete kingdom of man that has not happened in the past kingdoms.

Which the world will be split in to ten sections, the 10 horns that come from the Roman Empire, with the ways of Babylon, human religion, the occult, kingdom of man, the ways of Medo-Persia, physical cruelty to go against everyone that opposes their kingdom, and the ways of Greece, human religion.

The kingdom of man in its entirety.

Although all nations are together as one to establish peace the Roman Empire has the dominion, and because the new age movement is a Caucasian led plan that is how the Roman Empire has the dominion, for it will be their ways that cover the whole earth, the new age movement.

The world will accept the new age movement interpretation of the Bible for it is more compatible with their religions like Hindu, and Buddhism, and religions that have nature attached to them, and based on evolution which is popular, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior which they will like.

But the world will never accept Islam concerning all nations for Islam is frowned upon by many in the world, and would not be believed by many in the world.

And the only way the world can rebel against God is if all nations come together with the same belief system concerning religion, and the prosperity of humans, which they would never agree to Islam as that type of system, but they will accept the new age movement type of belief system.

So Islam is out of the picture concerning their religion being believed upon by all nations governments, and no Arab nation will ever have any physical dominion.

But the Roman Empire has not fallen in physical dominion, and the new age movement is a Caucasian led plan, for they were last in the 7 kingdoms upon earth, the 7 heads, so they could retain that power, and is the last kingdom so they will be the one with the physical dominion.

For the 6th kingdom is the Roman Empire, and the 10 horns come from them which is the 7th kingdom.

But I challenge anyone to prove that Islam can be the religious belief system that all nations of the world will accept that causes the world to rebel against God.

I know you cannot do it, for go ask China about that, and go ask Europe about that, and even ask America about that, and ask the Latino countries about that.

Right, for Islam is too shunned in the world, and not believed in the world for all nations of the world to accept it.

And if only one nation stays out of what is going on the world would never qualify as rebelling against God, which the Bible says the world will rebel against God.
 

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If you believe that, you have not read anything I have written.....THE LITTLE HORN OF DANIEL IS THE BEAST OF REVELATION IS THAT MAN OF SIN OF THESSALONIANS IS THE SON OF PERDITION OF THESSALONIANS IS THE ANTI-CHRIST SO CALLED..........
So you do believe the beast is the antichrist am I correct?

Apostle John say, antichrist went out from us/christian

Why you believe antichrist from islam, not inline with apostle John
 

Jackson123

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The beast is man his number is 666. The antichrist the apposing spirit as another other than Christ, against Christ . Deceived man led by the god of this world.
I know the beast is a man

Now we talking about antichrist and OT believe from islam, but I don't, I believe what apostle John say in 1 John 2 verse 18-19

18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming,even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.


Apostle John say, antichrist went out from us/christian
 

tanakh

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My view....anyone that believes a particular group, ethnicity, people or religion will have a hard time accepting the beast is disregarding the absolute truth that GOD SENDS STRONG DELUSION and everyone that will not receive the love of the truth will be deluded and RECEIVE the beast.....regardless of background!!!
The strong delusion is initially aimed at Israel who will accept a man who they believe to be the Jewish Messiah. For them to believe that he would need to be someone who can convince them not just any political or religious figure who happens to turn up. In some
ways the delusion has already been in place for 2000 years ever since they rejected their real Messiah and waited for a false one to
arrive.
 

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Concerning Islam... So how is Islam going to be that belief system that does it, when the Asians are not going to accept it, the Europeans are not going to accept it, and many nations will not accept it, except for the Arab nations.
Adherents of Islam constitute the world's second largest religious group. According to a study in 2015, Islam has 1.8 billion adherents, making up about 24.1% of the world population. Most Muslims are either of two denominations: Sunni (80–90%, roughly 1.5 billion people) or Shia (10–20%, roughly 170–340 million people).

Islam is the dominant religion in Central Asia, Indonesia, Middle East, North Africa, the Sahel and some other parts of Asia.

The diverse Asia-Pacific region contains the highest number of Muslims in the world, easily surpassing the Middle East and North Africa.

South Asia contains the largest population of Muslims in the world. One-third of the Muslims are of South Asian origin.

Islam is the largest religion in the Maldives, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. With about 200 million Muslims, India is the country with the largest Muslim population outside Muslim-majority countries.

The various Hamito-Semitic (including Arab, Berber), Turkic, and Iranian countries of the greater Middle East-North Africa (MENA) region, where Islam is the dominant religion in every country other than Israel, hosts 23% of world Muslims.

The country with the single largest population of Muslims is Indonesia in Southeast Asia, which on its own hosts 13% of the world's Muslims. Together, the Muslims in the countries of Southeast Asia constitute the world's third-largest population of Muslims. In the countries of the Malay Archipelago Muslims are majorities in each country other than the Philippines, Singapore, and East Timor. source