The meaning of "mature"

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Dino246

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justbyfaith said:
Amen sister.

I believe that if you keep reading, you will see my love for my enemies on these boards.

Even when people come against me, I do seek to respond to them with kindness and my every word to them is written with a desire to make their calling and election sure.
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More self-congratulation. Unbelievable.
 
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What i get from the sanctification dynamic is that it is similar to the law dynamic.
"Do"

The freedom in Christ is that my target becomes Him and my holiness indirect, in that total devotion and obedience and obcession to Him will always change me and cause me to properly represent Him.

BUT....BUT....BUT........
There is a starting place everyday and Paul hit it.
" I pick up my cross daily"
I need to die to all of my own claim to myself.

THEN..... refill myself with His presence ,love, power, AND PERSON.

GUARANTEED SANCTIFICATION EVERY TIME
 
Dino246

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justbyfaith said:
I am still a work in progress; which is not to say that my doctrine is to be rejected.
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Perhaps not. Your doctrine can be rejected simply on the basis that it is your doctrine, not biblical doctrine.
 
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The meaning of mature to me is adults behaving like adults and not like children. Mature is respecting other people views, and respecting that everyone don't think the same. Again, everybody is not gonna have the same answer for what mature is, and that's perfectly fine. Mature is being able to agree to disagree, without throwing a temper tantrum like a child. I can type all day here about what "MY" version of mature is, but I just kept it short and simple. God bless
 
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Dino246 said:
Perhaps not. Your doctrine can be rejected simply on the basis that it is your doctrine, not biblical doctrine.
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Except that my doctrine is biblical doctrine.

For I do as the scripture commands us to do in 2 Timothy 2:15.

And I also encourage all who are paying attention to be Bereans (Acts 17:10-11) and search the scriptures to see whether what I am saying is so.

So, if you can provide any scripture that contradicts what I teach, I am all ears.
 
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justbyfaith said:
Consider the following.

Heb 10:1, For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2, For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

Now, considering that the word "perfect" actually means "mature" we need to understand that if anyone is mature, they will have no more conscience of sins.

Therefore, are they simply oblivious to what is in all reality there in their lives?

Consider.

1Jo 1:7, But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

If we are walking in the light, will not any sin that is present in our lives be exposed to the light and brought out into the open?

Even as it is written,

Jhn 3:20, For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Jhn 3:21, But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Therefore, if I am walking in the light, and am not sanctified in the sense of being set free from sin, my sin will be exposed; and I will continue to have a conscience of sins.

If I am mature, I do not any longer have any conscience of sins. Which indicates that perfect, in Hebrews 10:1 (and everywhere else in scripture) does indeed mean "perfect".

Consider also the following.

Col 1:21, And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Col 1:22, In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Jde 1:24, Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

"holy", "unblameable", "unreproveable".

"faultless"

Are you going to come up with alternate meanings for these words also? Do these words also not mean "perfect"?

I suppose that we can cross off holy...for that has been re-defined as "set apart" (however in this re-definition, the word "holy" has been stripped of its meaning, impaho).

One might be able to cross off "unblameable" as referring to outward righteousness and holiness (except that God, in Hebrews 4:13, tells us that everything is open and naked to His sight; and this also refers to the inward parts of a man, which are either righteous or unrighteous (Matthew 23:25-28).

I don't think that anyone can cross off "unreprovaeable" or "faultless" however.
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Maturing in Christ is a process that is from the cleansing of His Blood, the Circumcision of the Holy Spirit upon our heart/mind/soul,
our continual/daily Sanctification thru the Word and our obedience.

casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.
2 Cor 10:1-5

It is not an 'intellectual achievement'
 
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justbyfaith said:
I suppose that we can cross off holy...for that has been re-defined as "set apart" (however in this re-definition, the word "holy" has been stripped of its meaning, impaho).
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That’s what “holy” has always meant. It never had any other meaning. That people think it meant something else is their error.
 
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Dino246 said:
That’s what “holy” has always meant. It never had any other meaning. That people think it meant something else is their error.
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Dear Brother, looking for some confirmation here.

i AGREE with you saying 'holy' means 'set apart'.

My understanding is that the item(as in the Temple instruments) and/or the person (as in Moses and the People of God) became 'Holy' because they were 'set apart' from the world for the sole purpose of being unto/serving/worshipping God.

Yes/No ???
 
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DavidTree said:
Dear Brother, looking for some confirmation here.

i AGREE with you saying 'holy' means 'set apart'.

My understanding is that the item(as in the Temple instruments) and/or the person (as in Moses and the People of God) became 'Holy' because they were 'set apart' from the world for the sole purpose of being unto/serving/worshipping God.

Yes/No ???
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Yes, exactly. :)
 
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Dino246 said:
That’s what “holy” has always meant. It never had any other meaning. That people think it meant something else is their error.
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"holy" does not only mean "set apart"...it more succinctly means "set apart from sin".
 
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justbyfaith said:
"holy" does not only mean "set apart"...it more succinctly means "set apart from sin".
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That's incorrect. The fuller meaning is "set apart for the use of the Lord". An object cannot sin, but an object can be holy.
 
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Dino246 said:
That's incorrect. The fuller meaning is "set apart for the use of the Lord".
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You are incorrect.

If something or someone is set apart from the use of the Lord, they are set apart from sin.

I suppose that the Lord can use anyone or anything; even unholy vessels.

But "holy" means "set apart from sin".

If someone is set apart for the Lord's use, they are a holy vessel in that sense.

Dino246 said:
An object cannot sin, but an object can be holy.
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Can you rephrase that so it makes some kind of sense? Thanks.
 
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justbyfaith said:
You are incorrect.

If something or someone is set apart from the use of the Lord, they are set apart from sin.

I suppose that the Lord can use anyone or anything; even unholy vessels.

But "holy" means "set apart from sin".

If someone is set apart for the Lord's use, they are a holy vessel in that sense.



Can you rephrase that so it makes some kind of sense? Thanks.
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I already phrased it in a way that makes perfect sense. If you disagree, as you usually do, you are welcome to make your case, which I will either refute or dismiss, as appropriate.
 
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Dino246 said:
I already phrased it in a way that makes perfect sense.
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No, you did not. What you posted makes no sense whatsoever.

If you are correct, maybe someone else can rephrase it for me in a way that I can understand it; maybe I'm just slow today.
 
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Dino246 said:
If you disagree, as you usually do, you are welcome to make your case, which I will either refute or dismiss, as appropriate.
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All you have ever been able to do is dismiss the things that I have posted. You have never been able to refute any of it.
 
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