The Meaning Of The Parable Of Tares

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The serpent of course is the liar, who distorts the Truth, the Word Of God, which was his first act in the Garden
The serpent of Gen 3 is the enemy spoken of in Matt 13:28, 39.



J7 said:
The battle in Jesus's time was with the Oral Tradition, (which later became the Talmud), hence the religious leaders were 'of the father of lies' insofar as they distorted, falsified, and added to the Word Of God.
Not all religious leaders were (or are) 'of the father of lies' —— Nicodemus was a pharisee; Joseph of Arimathea was a counsellor. Both of these men did, however, fear the Jews who were in power.


John 12:42 Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue
 
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Enow,

You'll have to clarify a bit more with regards to those saints who will be raised in the first resurrection from those who will be coming with the Lord to do battle.

Thanks...

Because I can't make out what you are saying.

You have the saints who have a part in the first resurrection, reigning with HIM...and you say these are only those who went through the tribulation...who were martyred because they held to THEIR TESTIMONY of JESUS...

And you do not include in with these particular first resurrection saints identified in Revelation 20 any other believer, (as John 3, John 5, and 1 John 5 identifies as believers)

So...while these saints are reigning with HIM during the 1000 year reign, you have HIS other saints as the rest of the dead?

Where then do you place the battle?

Before or after the 1000 year reign?
May the Lord help me....

Zechariah 14:1Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.[SUP] 4 [/SUP]And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.[SUP]5 [/SUP]And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

Okay. Zechariah has the Lord coming to do battle, touching down on earth on the Mount of Olives with the saints.

BUT

In Revelation 20th chapter, the battle is over and Satan is in the pit BEFORE this so called "first resurrection" took place. That means Jesus is not in the air meeting those of the "first resurrection". He is not descending with a shout when He had already descended with the saints to do battle with the world's armies at Jerusalem, and then when the battle was over and Satan is in the pit, then the so called "first resurrection" happened.

Now.. when we talk about grammar, when you described a group of people and add "which" to that group of people, you are categorizing them as ALL being under that condition for why the which was attached to those people so read that in verse 4 below.

Revelation 20:1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,[SUP]3 [/SUP]And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.[SUP] 4 [/SUP]And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.[SUP] 5 [/SUP]But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.[SUP]6 [/SUP]Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

So those saints that are of the "so called" "first resurrection" are those that lost their lives for their witness of Jesus Christ WHICH DID NOT worshipped the beast, neither his image, nor received his mark on their foreheads or hands.

So now read verse 5 again. The rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. Then it says this is the first resurrection which is in their day another way of saying, this resurrection happened first before the rest of the dead are resurrected a thousand years later.

These saints will reign with Christ because Jesus need rulers & priests representing Him from that city of God on earth all over the world where every they are placed by Him to rule & minister from. That is why they have His name on their foreheads as representing Him for the generations that will come out of the milleniel reign of Christ. They will not be living in the city of God, but they will be allowed to visit the city of God, but their homes are somewhere else on earth.

The pre trib raptured saints have a place to live in the city of God as they will be as the angels that can never die as vessels unto honor in His House, but those coming out of the great tribulation are those saints left behind that went through the great tribulation as they will be received after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House.

The prodigal son had given up his first inheritance for wild living, but he is still son. He can never get that first inheritance back ( being the vessel unto honor ) but a robe and ring will be put on him to serve the King of kings as a vessel unto dishonor in His House. That is why God is wiping the tears from the eyes of those left behind where they will be weeping and gnashing their teeth over the loss of their first inheritance. By performing a miracle, God is intervening in wiping the tears from their eyes to help them get past their loss.

Anyway, first resurrection does not really mean the only resurrection after Jesus's ascension when first is just being used to defer from the rest of the dead that will be resurrected a thousand years later on in verse 5.

Those who insists otherwise has to explain the conundrum of Satan being in the pit in having been defeated and THEN the first resurrection happened in Revelation 20th chapter because Jesus is not descending in the air when He had to be on earth already in defeating the world's armies and casting Satan into the pit for a thousand years.




 

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The fact that you have a quirky understanding of this passage is not evidence that I disbelieve the Bible
Oh I see

the reason I have a "quirky understanding" is because you don't believe in the tribulation

now I understand the why of your post
 
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Jesus did not say "all things that offend", another poor KJV interpretation:

Matt 13:41 the Son of Man shall send forth his messengers, and they shall gather up out of his kingdom all the stumbling-blocks, and those doing the un-lawlessness,

I suggest the ones who were the stumbling blocks were the unbelieving Jews and the Sanhedrin.
KJV is not a poor translation. Your version is. "Those doing the un-lawlessness"? Really? That is a double negative. That is like saying those doing the law. Talk about poor translation. What was that Bible version you were using?
 

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I was under the impression that you had meant He was on earth exercising His rule in beginning His milleniel reign on earth in Revelation 11 th chapter.

But yes, He is reigning from Heaven, but He was not beginning that reign in Heaven in Revelation 11th chapter when He always has been.

I think it was your use of "beginning His reign" that threw me off on what you had meant.

In any event, Revelation 11:15 cites the seventh & last trump which I believe is being blown at the pre trib rapture event as the same time the other six trumpets are blown in rapid succession if not as one trump, in changing the world as we know it in judging what is to happen for the duration of the great tribulation on the earth.
Not true. HE has been exercising long suffering and grace

until this point when it is written:

now is the kingdoms of this world become the kingdom of our lord and his Christ and he will reign forever and ever

his two fold ministry has switched over to the second part of his ministry
HE is not only the lamb but also the lion

and HIS wrath has come

just as when HE quoted in Luke 4 from Isaiah 61 and stopped mid sentence of the day of vengeance of our GOD?

well at that point, the day of vengeance has come
 
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I was under the impression that you had meant He was on earth exercising His rule in beginning His milleniel reign on earth in Revelation 11 th chapter.

But yes, He is reigning from Heaven, but He was not beginning that reign in Heaven in Revelation 11th chapter when He always has been.

I think it was your use of "beginning His reign" that threw me off on what you had meant.

In any event, Revelation 11:15 cites the seventh & last trump which I believe is being blown at the pre trib rapture event as the same time the other six trumpets are blown in rapid succession if not as one trump, in changing the world as we know it in judging what is to happen for the duration of the great tribulation on the earth.
Pre trib?

therefore those saints who will have a part in the first resurrection, who join their pretrib brothers in heaven and are seen in white robes, while those under the altar who have been martyred for their testimony who are also given a white robe and told to wait, of these in white robes, signifying the saints, only those under the altar who die who were not a part of the pretrib group, are those who have a part in the first resurrection?

while all the other saints, including the 144,000 have to wait?
 
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Well you are applying John 8 to 2 Thessalonians 2.
John 8 concerns the judgement of Apostate Israel in AD67-73.
2 Thessalonians concerns the second coming of Christ.

That is why I am confused by what you say


Oh I see

the reason I have a "quirky understanding" is because you don't believe in the tribulation

now I understand the why of your post


The fact that you have a quirky understanding of this passage is not evidence that I disbelieve the Bible
 

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Well you are applying John 8 to 2 Thessalonians 2.
John 8 concerns the judgement of Apostate Israel in AD67-73.
2 Thessalonians concerns the second coming of Christ.

That is why I am confused by what you say


Oh I see

the reason I have a "quirky understanding" is because you don't believe in the tribulation

now I understand the why of your post
Now why would I tie John 8 to 2 Thessalonians 2?

Other than maybe the truth that those who heard but did not have a love of the truth will not have a second chance to hear and believe
 

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J7

wirh regards to 2 Thessalonians 2 and what I really was trying to get at is once "HE who holds all things backnis taken out of the way" (and darkness comes) what type of atmosphere will the world experience?

Could it be a time like none other and never will be again? could it be a time of tribulation?

something you deny?

and if you deny tribulation than you must also deny 2 Thessalonians 2
 
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Not true. HE has been exercising long suffering and grace

until this point when it is written:

now is the kingdoms of this world become the kingdom of our lord and his Christ and he will reign forever and ever

his two fold ministry has switched over to the second part of his ministry
HE is not only the lamb but also the lion

and HIS wrath has come
At the blowing of the seventh trumpet, which is announcing judgment on the world in changing the conditions of the world as well as what is to happen during the great tribulation and not just the time of rewarding His saints and damning the tares into becoming vessels unto dishonor in His House by leaving them behind to face the coming fire on the earth.

But God is still in Heaven when that happened. He is not reigning on earth. He is reigning earth from Heaven when doling those judgments out that will lead to Him setting up His milleniel reign on earth when He comes to earth.... which His reign on earth is not going to officially start till Satan is in the pit after the great tribulation from thence is the thousand year count start from.

just as when HE quoted in Luke 4 from Isaiah 61 and stopped mid sentence of the day of vengeance of our GOD?

well at that point, the day of vengeance has come
At the last trump in Revelation 11:15? Okay, but somehow, I still do not think we are on the same page yet. Oh well.
 

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I beg your pardon.

John 16:8-11

Now why would I tie John 8 to 2 Thessalonians 2?

Other than maybe the truth that those who heard but did not have a love of the truth will not have a second chance to hear and believe
 
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Pre trib?

therefore those saints who will have a part in the first resurrection, who join their pretrib brothers in heaven and are seen in white robes, while those under the altar who have been martyred for their testimony who are also given a white robe and told to wait, of these in white robes, signifying the saints, only those under the altar who die who were not a part of the pretrib group, are those who have a part in the first resurrection?

while all the other saints, including the 144,000 have to wait?
This reference...

Revelation 6:[SUP]9 [/SUP]And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:[SUP]10 [/SUP]And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?[SUP]11 [/SUP]And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

and this reference are referring to the same people as only those saints going through the great tribulation.

Revelation 7:[SUP]9 [/SUP]After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;[SUP]10 [/SUP]And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.[SUP]11 [/SUP]And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,[SUP]12 [/SUP]Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.[SUP]13 [/SUP]And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?[SUP] 14 [/SUP]And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.[SUP] 15 [/SUP]Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.[SUP]16 [/SUP]They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.[SUP]17 [/SUP]For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

The reason why God is wiping the tears from their eyes and that the sun shall not light on them nor any heat is because they were left behind to face the coming fire on the earth and the heat that will torture all inhabitants on the earth for which time those left behind saints will be weeping and gnashing of teeth over the loss of their first inheritance.

Revelation 14th chapter of the 144,000 virgin men redeemed/raptured from the earth is just referring from among those that have been pre trib raptured, that out of those raptured will be these 144,000 virgin men that will make up Christ's personal choir that shall follow Him around where ever He goes.

The 144,000 witnesses chosen from among the Jews for the duration of the great tribulation will have to wait ... yeah.

But when they die and are under the "altar" they will be rejoicing God in Heaven while they wait for their inheritance which is their resurrection at the end of the great tribulation.
 

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I deny The Great Tribulation, I do not deny great tribulations, and the greatest tribulation.
J7

wirh regards to 2 Thessalonians 2 and what I really was trying to get at is once "HE who holds all things backnis taken out of the way" (and darkness comes) what type of atmosphere will the world experience?

Could it be a time like none other and never will be again? could it be a time of tribulation?

something you deny?

and if you deny tribulation than you must also deny 2 Thessalonians 2
 

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Who is the HE here?
J7

wirh regards to 2 Thessalonians 2 and what I really was trying to get at is once "HE who holds all things backnis taken out of the way" (and darkness comes) what type of atmosphere will the world experience?

Could it be a time like none other and never will be again? could it be a time of tribulation?

something you deny?

and if you deny tribulation than you must also deny 2 Thessalonians 2
 
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Jesus's Parables are of immense significance. Here for discussion is the parable of the wheat and the tares

Matthew 13

24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
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36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
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49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord. 52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.
exactly what people need to do is focus on Jesus words. good post


[FONT=&quot]He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; [/FONT]38 [FONT=&quot]The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; [/FONT]39 [FONT=&quot]The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. [/FONT]40 [FONT=&quot]As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. [/FONT]41 [FONT=&quot]The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; [/FONT]42 [FONT=&quot]And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.[/FONT]43 [FONT=&quot]Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."

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whenever Jesus says " verily I say unto you" or " whoever hath ears to Hear let them Hear" its really important stuff this One is a repeat and support of the consistant message of the judgement and Jesus return. matthew 25, romans 2:5-11, this particular parable.... matthew 25:31-46.

matthew 13 ...Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: 48Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. 49So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.


matt 24 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

its throughout the gospel and epistles really, said many different ways. ive found that the More we study the parables and teachings of Jesus, you then understand the epistles much clearer. always the things He teaches are repeatedly taught in the nt Good post
 

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KJV is not a poor translation. Your version is. "Those doing the un-lawlessness"? Really? That is a double negative. That is like saying those doing the law. Talk about poor translation. What was that Bible version you were using?
Oh, you must be one of the James boys....

unlawlessness in the Greek is anomia (not law)

Get yerself a decent translation.
 

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wirh regards to 2 Thessalonians 2 and what I really was trying to get at is once "HE who holds all things back n is taken out of the way" (and darkness comes) what type of atmosphere will the world experience?
What you need to understand is that the man of sin was already alive and being "held back" when Paul wrote, unless the man is still alive today after nearly 2000 years, which he isn't then what Paul wrote was only applicable to the life span of Paul and the man of sin.

2 Thess 2:3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.

2 Thee 2:6 And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed.
 

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1 Corinthians 15:42-50
[FONT=&quot]42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

This explanation seems to be relevant to the parable as well.[/FONT]
 

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I beg your pardon.

John 16:8-11
Does that really work?

Youd have to ignore HIS WORDS (John 13 through John 17) to HIS DISCIPLES about the coming of THE PROMISE which they would receive and which every disciple thereafter would receive until and up to the point of 2 Thessalonians
HE's in the world now and the world does not know HIM
But we know HIM
just as John 14 explains because HE will be with us and in us