The Meaning Of The Parable Of Tares

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J7

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Job 1

6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
 

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[FONT=&quot]Revelation 2 14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

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20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

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24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.


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While you are playing with Scripture, would you post one or two where Jesus called the church, "the world?"
 

kaijo

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So...do we agree..that... the "Church" ...is the "Body of Christ"? (spread throughout the world?)

...and NOT the building ppl visit once a week? (or the congregation in "that" particular building?)
 
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So...do we agree..that... the "Church" ...is the "Body of Christ"? (spread throughout the world?)

...and NOT the building ppl visit once a week? (or the congregation in "that" particular building?)
This is true. The church building is where the body of Christ gathers together. The reason why is because it is a lot easier to fit 200-300 people into a common area shared by all such as a church building, than someones backyard or living room.
 

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While you are playing with Scripture, would you post one or two where Jesus called the church, "the world?"
Bad attitude WT. You know it, Deal with it mate
 

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The setting for the parable is the 1st century AD:

Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.

Jesus proclaimed John as Elijah:

Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

Mat 11:14 And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who is to come.

Mat 3:10 The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

Mat 3:11 “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you withfn the Holy Spirit and fire.

Mat 3:12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

John states that Jesus has the winnowing fork in his hand, this is giving a clear indication of the imminence of the end of the age harvest that was to occur in the 1st century AD.

When we include John's statement that "the ax is already at the root of the trees" we get an even clearer picture of imminence.

That the harvest was already under way in the 1st century is established in a number of NT scriptures, the first of which is John's statement that the winnowing fork is already in Christ's hand. The winnowing fork is used at the end of the harvest not the beginning.

The winnowing fork is an implement that was sometimes shaped like a large fork or sometime like a large shovel.

The “thresher” took the fork/shovel and threw the stalks of the roughage into the air, the allowed the wind to blow away the chaff to separate from the wheat.

John in his gospel affirmed that the harvest was underway:

Jhn 4:35 “Do you not say, ‘There are still four months and then comes the harvest’? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look at the fields, for they are already white for harvest!

Jesus said the harvest would be at the end of the AGE (world in the KJV):

Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

We have other statements in the NT about the time of this "end of the world" or age occurring in the 1st century AD:
 

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So...do we agree..that... the "Church" ...is the "Body of Christ"? (spread throughout the world?)

...and NOT the building ppl visit once a week? (or the congregation in "that" particular building?)
Yup. I would agree
 

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I just have to find a parable of the Tires when I need another set..:p
 

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That seems to me the crux of it. Infection in the Church with Satanists.

It is not visible, and does not need to be a large number, as a little yeast leavens the dough.

An example is Freemasons. Apparently at one time 20% of Southern Baptists were Freemasons. That is a serious Satanic Network hiding in the Church.
 
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Bad attitude WT. You know it, Deal with it mate
Asking you why you think Jesus called His church, "the world" is a having a bad attitude?

And do you also think that the Followers of Christ had Jezebel come into their homes, and teach people to engage in her ways? No, that was the apostate Jewish worshipers that were doing that. (Still people He called "His children.")
 

kaijo

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Yup. I would agree
Okay...

Then He says:

[FONT=&quot]He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; [/FONT]38 [FONT=&quot]The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one
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SOO....

- The "Field" is the "world"

And what grows in the Field? (world?)

- The "Wheat" and the "tares"

And who is the Wheat?

- [FONT=&quot]the children of the kingdom

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And who are the "children of the kingdom"?

- The "Body of Christ" (aka the "Church" ..spread throughout the "world"...just like the "wheat" spread throughout the "field")

..all good so far? ^^"
 

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Chaff and tares are 2 different things old love
The setting for the parable is the 1st century AD:

Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.

Jesus proclaimed John as Elijah:

Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

Mat 11:14 And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who is to come.

Mat 3:10 The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

Mat 3:11 “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you withfn the Holy Spirit and fire.

Mat 3:12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

John states that Jesus has the winnowing fork in his hand, this is giving a clear indication of the imminence of the end of the age harvest that was to occur in the 1st century AD.

When we include John's statement that "the ax is already at the root of the trees" we get an even clearer picture of imminence.

That the harvest was already under way in the 1st century is established in a number of NT scriptures, the first of which is John's statement that the winnowing fork is already in Christ's hand. The winnowing fork is used at the end of the harvest not the beginning.

The winnowing fork is an implement that was sometimes shaped like a large fork or sometime like a large shovel.

The “thresher” took the fork/shovel and threw the stalks of the roughage into the air, the allowed the wind to blow away the chaff to separate from the wheat.

John in his gospel affirmed that the harvest was underway:

Jhn 4:35 “Do you not say, ‘There are still four months and then comes the harvest’? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look at the fields, for they are already white for harvest!

Jesus said the harvest would be at the end of the AGE (world in the KJV):

Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

We have other statements in the NT about the time of this "end of the world" or age occurring in the 1st century AD:
 

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seems good to me
Great! ^^

So all thats left is the "tares" (Those who are NOT part of the "Body of Christ")

And we know...that the "tares" ..oppose/hinder/try to stop.. the "growth" of the "wheat"...in the "field".

And who (ESPECIALLY in "our" generation)... opposes/hinders/tries to stop.... the "Church/Body of Christ"?

- The non-believers/other religions ("tares")

....So what do we have so far?...

The Son of Man...came to the earth....and brought with Him ...the Truth. And "anyone" who believed Him... became apart of the "Body of Christ" (Church).

But then the devil came....and "stirred up" the rest of the ppl in the "world" ...to "reject" the Truth that He brought with Him... and to "oppose" the Truth... and "oppose" the people who accepted that Truth...

Still all good? ^^"
 

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The tares appear exactly like the wheat.
 

J7

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Well then, 2 different messages.
 

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no the tares do not look like the wheat. they have their own appearance, otherwise you would not know which to pluck out of the garden. the thing is, if you pluck out the tares, you will also pluck out some of the wheat with it ,because they are so close together.