The Meaning of the Sky Will be Rolled up Like a Scroll

[OwzK]

Yea I like them too, traveling through time and space huh.. Interesting lol...

[video=youtube;NnpA7st7_p4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnpA7st7_p4[/video]

PROPER BADASS! REALLY fantastic song plus the movie is smoothing and relaxing to watch too,until the real singing starts and then it just goes ultimate BADASS!

I didn't know about other good heavy metal groups except for Motorhead. Iron Maiden, they're lighter and I don't like them, and most of the "rock" ones you see today are more like pop. They are not hard, or badass at all.

Here's doctor who, travelling through time and space anyway, not a song, it used to be a show I watched when I was a teenager

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEsgKyriyQQ

 

[trofimus]

All in all guys, I think that Christig has the most probable theory.

We all try to look at the verse like from the perspective of an astronaut floating in the space looking down at the shape of the universe. This is certainly the view that is not meant to be kept

So to look at the problem like Christig said - from the human perspective, standing on the ground of the planet and looking at the skies is the most simple and natural way to explain the verse, imho.

 

[BeyondET]

PROPER BADASS! REALLY fantastic song plus the movie is smoothing and relaxing to watch too,until the real singing starts and then it just goes ultimate BADASS!

I didn't know about other good heavy metal groups except for Motorhead. Iron Maiden, they're lighter and I don't like them, and most of the "rock" ones you see today are more like pop. They are not hard, or badass at all.

Here's doctor who, travelling through time and space anyway, not a song, it used to be a show I watched when I was a teenager

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEsgKyriyQQ

Since your a Motorhead fan like me, here's DDP cover of iron fist

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fzDH4QxBP_Y[/video]

I know a ton of metal not even funny, when I was a young lad I didn't like the mainstream stuff in the early eighties I like bands like Savatage power of the night... lol

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6TNpO5m3uiU[/video]

 

[Chokmahiel]

Noli manere manere in memoria, ferum, terriblis fatum. Astra eversus, quod cadit cadit. Silencio pulvis clamor clamor murmure caelum ardente. Caelum cessat! Ardent mundus, mundi ardent! Pro caelum et terrum substituti. Veni mi fili, veni mi fili. Finis coronat noster opus Domini Dei nostri!

 

[dcontroversal]

If one knows physics and properties of space it is truth NOT allegory.

The rush to call anything one doesn't understand allegory astounds me and indicates a lazy and/or stagnant mind.

AMEN.......with men these things are impossible, but with God ALL things are possible.....fairly confident that if God can cast the heavens down in creation, sustain them, burn them and dissolve them, he is fully capable of ripping it open, rolling it up and revealing his face and presence......

 

[Dino246]

I know what it means, perhaps your question should not be why I didn't phrase this topic the way you want, but how I know this is so. I have plenty of scriptures to back it up. The study can be found here The Meaning of the Heavens Will be Rolled up Like a Scroll | Wisdom of God .

From this I would conclude that you really aren't interested in discussing, but in promoting your view. Mind you, that wouldn't be different than many of the thread starters around here. I guess I just hoped for better.

Anyway, on the surface, "covered in thick clouds of darkness" doesn't mean anything like "rolled up like a scroll". That said, when I have time I'll take a look at your study.

 

[OwzK]

Since your a Motorhead fan like me, here's DDP cover of iron fist

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fzDH4QxBP_Y[/video]

I know a ton of metal not even funny, when I was a young lad I didn't like the mainstream stuff in the early eighties I like bands like Savatage power of the night... lol

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6TNpO5m3uiU[/video]

WOW they are AWESOME thanks PROPER badass songs

Thanks for the rep also

 

[BeyondET]

WOW they are AWESOME thanks PROPER badass songs

Thanks for the rep also

I like it too, my old school stuff haha..

Your welcome bro anytime feel free to email me I can send a many a song to ya...

Now I know you've heard of (five finger death punch)??? back for more, battle born, lift me up.

I'm out for the day, cya buddy, give me a shout,

(peace sells but who's Buying)

 

[Muzungu256]

It's figurative language - it was used in the prophecy against Edom:

Isa 34:4 And all the host of heaven will wear away, And the sky will be rolled up like a scroll; All their hosts will also wither away As a leaf withers from the vine, Or as one withers from the fig tree.


Isa 34:5 For My sword is satiated in heaven, Behold it shall descend for judgment upon Edom and upon the people whom I have devoted to destruction.

yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sky rolled up like a scroll is national judgment in the earth!!!!!!!!!!
this is how i understood it also, bible is very symbolic!!!!!!! highly spiritual......... depth.......... its not a comic book!!!!!!!!! very mysterious truth is much greater than we can hope for the restitution of ALL THINGS!!!!!!!!!!

col1:20
And God purposed through Him to reconcile the universe to Himself, making peace through His blood, which was shed upon the Cross--to reconcile to Himself through Him, I say, things on earth and things in Heaven.

 

[88]

The meaning that the sky will be rolled up like a scroll is that the entire earth will be covered in thick clouds of darkness. Lets start a discussion on this.

*** the Lord peels back the natural realm to reveal Himself....

 

[Base12]

I'm not a big fan of 'dumbing down' the Word of God, which is what has been done here.

A monumental event, the likes of which the entire Universe has never seen before, has been reduced to a bunch of clouds parting.

Wow.

So where do said clouds part?

Somewhere over the middle of the Pacific Ocean?

Over a one square mile radius?

Perhaps a Dolphin with a Go-Pro strapped to it's back will capture the moment Jesus shows up and stream it live on Facebook.

 

[Base12]

Beyond ET has it correct.

The entire fabric of the Cosmos will be torn and thrust into utter chaos.

This is what the Bible speaks of in many places.

God 'stretches' the Heavens.

The Heavens will be 'shaken'.

'M-Theory' goes into great detail on Membranes, yet God wrote of these things thousands of years ago.

I wish people would stop turning the Mighty Word of God into weakness.

 

[Dino246]

It is not figurative. I have a study on this here The Meaning of the Heavens Will be Rolled up Like a Scroll | Wisdom of God .

I read through your study, Christig. I can see why you came to the conclusion you did, and I'm not inclined to pick your study apart. I would offer a couple of comments, intended to be constructive in nature:
- make sure that your conclusion is drawn from the text, not forced upon it;
- try to be consistent with your use of translations; finding a translation which happens to use the words you want in each place smells of eisegesis more than exegesis;
- if you structure your study so that the reader is able to draw their own conclusions, rather than being "forced" to yours, it will come across to others better.

Overall, it looks like you began with an idea and found verses and translations which supported it. As presented, the study appears to begin with the conclusion. If presented as a hypothesis which you then support, that would be acceptable too, but that isn't what I see. I've made similar mistakes.

While I'm not prepared to agree wholeheartedly with your conclusion, from the verses you presented I would say that it is plausible, on the surface. If you haven't read it, I would strongly recommend Living By the Book by Howard and William Hendricks. Thanks for sharing, and keep studying!

 

[Locutus]

I think all to these "theories" are unraveling like dis:

 

[Ahwatukee]

Greetings Christig,

"I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.
Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”

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My understanding of this is that, at the opening of the 6th seal, the reference to the "heavens receding like a scroll" is that at that time a window is going to be opened, allowing the inhabitants of the earth to see into the heavenly realm, into that dimension if you will, where God will literally be seen sitting on His throne. The proof of this is that it stated that the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, will run to the mountains and caves in order to get out of God's line of sight because they will be terrified to see the One whom they have rejected and blasphemed, even desiring for the mountains and the rocks to fall on them i.e. to kill them. The fact that the inhabitants will say "hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne" would demonstrate that the scroll being rolled back is allowing them to see God in heaven.

 

[christig]

I read through your study, Christig. I can see why you came to the conclusion you did, and I'm not inclined to pick your study apart. I would offer a couple of comments, intended to be constructive in nature:
- make sure that your conclusion is drawn from the text, not forced upon it;
- try to be consistent with your use of translations; finding a translation which happens to use the words you want in each place smells of eisegesis more than exegesis;
- if you structure your study so that the reader is able to draw their own conclusions, rather than being "forced" to yours, it will come across to others better.

Overall, it looks like you began with an idea and found verses and translations which supported it. As presented, the study appears to begin with the conclusion. If presented as a hypothesis which you then support, that would be acceptable too, but that isn't what I see. I've made similar mistakes.

While I'm not prepared to agree wholeheartedly with your conclusion, from the verses you presented I would say that it is plausible, on the surface. If you haven't read it, I would strongly recommend Living By the Book by Howard and William Hendricks. Thanks for sharing, and keep studying!

There's a reason I use different translations, because there isn't one translation that has no errors. Every English translation has errors, and from analyzing the original words in each verse, and harmonizing with other scriptures, I pick out the translation the renders the verse in the most accurate or clear way. I'm glad you read the study though and feel somewhat persuaded.

 

[Locutus]

Until people understand the figurative uses of clouds and other pheonomena you are going to misinterpet scripture till the day yus die.

Use of clouds in prophetic scripture:

Isa 19:1 The burden of Egypt. Behold, the LORD rideth upon a swift cloud, and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it.

It was the Assyrians who were the instrument of God's wrath on Egypt, though it is said that God was coming on a cloud - Isaiah 20:1-4

In Zephaniah:

Zep 1:14 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

Zep 1:15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,

Also in Nahum:

Nahum 1:3 The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.


In Daniel:

Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.



To properly understand Jesus' statement in Mat 26:64 it is important to understand how the prophets used the term “clouds” - it is prophetic/apocalyptic language and not used literally.


When the prophets spoke of God's judgment against Israel by using foreign armies it is said to be the Lord on a "cloud" – as the examples above show God using foreign armies, notice how the prophets spoke of “cloud or clouds”

Jesus is using the same “prophetic language" in Matthew:

Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mat 26:65 Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.

"coming in the clouds of heaven.....now ye have heard his blasphemy"


The high priest accuses Jesus of blasphemy, not because he's claiming to be the son of God, it's because "coming on clouds" is always spoken of in the scripture in relationship to Deity and especially in regard to judgment that Jesus states is coming on the apostate 1st century Jews.