The message of the cross

2knowhim · Nov 23, 2011

To everyone that replied to the questions I asked I thank you from the top of my heart.

To Abiding, if I had to quote the scriptures to prove what I already knew that would be the ones, thank you.

To Cobus, I love your analogy about the boat, motor, skipper etc. never heard that before, very good with one exception.
I'm not so sure about the SOUL, I still am not clear as to that, what I mean is I lean towards the soul being a part of this
earthly habitation. When we die, I believe so does the soulish part of us die, after all that is what gives life to the flesh.
Remember He poured out His Soul unto Death.

To Israel, Brother I love you, If I had to explain what I wanted to say about the Blood, it would have been that.
I couldn't agree more, when we die, ALL of us, we will not know each other like that anymore, that's why it is so
important that we SEE NO MAN ATER THE Flesh, NOT EVEN JESUS ANYMORE. There is so much in Him, concerning
The Blood, it runs so Deep. It truly is hard to put into words, it is Sooooo Precious.
Exo 21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
Exo 21:24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
Exo 21:25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
This is True Covenant, through our Lord, This is What He gave for us, it is an EXCHANGE of LIFE for LIFE
As He is so are we in this World.
Here and Now. And for evermore.

Blessings to all
my sisters and brothers in Christ Jesus
our Lord

Grandpa · Nov 23, 2011

In the Garden, God shed the blood of animals to give Adam and Eve animals skins to wear and cover their nakedness. Abels sacrifice was worthy because blood was shed. Cains sacrifice had no blood to shed and was deemed unworthy.

I wondered why the blood was so important. What is the big deal about the blood? Then I happened upon Leviticus 17:11 and I understood. Our atonement for our souls is in the blood. Jesus, being the perfect Lamb of God, shed His perfect blood to atone for our souls. Gods own blood cleanses us. Gods perfect sacrifice atones for all of us, through His perfect blood. Thank you Jesus, Hallelujah.

I'm still learning all the awesome things that God has done for us through His perfect Sacrifice in the Lord Jesus Christ. Thank You Lord.

God Bless You

Israel · Nov 23, 2011

2knowhim said:

To everyone that replied to the questions I asked I thank you from the top of my heart.

To Abiding, if I had to quote the scriptures to prove what I already knew that would be the ones, thank you.

To Cobus, I love your analogy about the boat, motor, skipper etc. never heard that before, very good with one exception.
I'm not so sure about the SOUL, I still am not clear as to that, what I mean is I lean towards the soul being a part of this
earthly habitation. When we die, I believe so does the soulish part of us die, after all that is what gives life to the flesh.
Remember He poured out His Soul unto Death.

To Israel, Brother I love you, If I had to explain what I wanted to say about the Blood, it would have been that.
I couldn't agree more, when we die, ALL of us, we will not know each other like that anymore, that's why it is so
important that we SEE NO MAN ATER THE Flesh, NOT EVEN JESUS ANYMORE. There is so much in Him, concerning
The Blood, it runs so Deep. It truly is hard to put into words, it is Sooooo Precious.
Exo 21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
Exo 21:24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
Exo 21:25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
This is True Covenant, through our Lord, This is What He gave for us, it is an EXCHANGE of LIFE for LIFE
As He is so are we in this World.
Here and Now. And for evermore.

Blessings to all
my sisters and brothers in Christ Jesus
our Lord

You are correct, beloved as my soul waits patiently for that glorious day of Jubilee when by LAW ALL MEN will be restored their inheritance.

Grandpa · Nov 23, 2011

Israel said:

By Law? I must be confused about what you are saying. It is by Grace that we recieve anything from The Lord. The Lord does what He Wills and we have all Broken His Law. Only by Grace are we "restored" to anything. Do you mean by Law, through the Lords Grace, all men will be restored their inheritance? I think I sort of understand that...

But if you mean that God owes us an inheritence because of the Law, then I don't understand.

God Bless You

Israel · Nov 23, 2011

Grandpa said:

It is grace that saves indeed. But the law is not against this with the proper understanding of it. The law is spiritual represented by it's shadow.

Leviticus 25:8-27

8And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.

9Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.

10And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.

11A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed.

12For it is the jubile; it shall be holy unto you: ye shall eat the increase thereof out of the field.

13In the year of this jubile ye shall return every man unto his possession.

14And if thou sell ought unto thy neighbour, or buyest ought of thy neighbour's hand, ye shall not oppress one another:

15According to the number of years after the jubile thou shalt buy of thy neighbour, and according unto the number of years of the fruits he shall sell unto thee:

16According to the multitude of years thou shalt increase the price thereof, and according to the fewness of years thou shalt diminish the price of it: for according to the number of the years of the fruits doth he sell unto thee.

17Ye shall not therefore oppress one another; but thou shalt fear thy God:for I am the LORD your God.

18Wherefore ye shall do my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them; and ye shall dwell in the land in safety.

19And the land shall yield her fruit, and ye shall eat your fill, and dwell therein in safety.

20And if ye shall say, What shall we eat the seventh year? behold, we shall not sow, nor gather in our increase:

21Then I will command my blessing upon you in the sixth year, and it shall bring forth fruit for three years.

22And ye shall sow the eighth year, and eat yet of old fruit until the ninth year; until her fruits come in ye shall eat of the old store.

23The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine, for ye are strangers and sojourners with me.

24And in all the land of your possession ye shall grant a redemption for the land.

25If thy brother be waxen poor, and hath sold away some of his possession, and if any of his kin come to redeem it, then shall he redeem that which his brother sold.

26And if the man have none to redeem it, and himself be able to redeem it;

27Then let him count the years of the sale thereof, and restore the overplus unto the man to whom he sold it; that he may return unto his possession.

28But if he be not able to restore it to him, then that which is sold shall remain in the hand of him that hath bought it until the year of jubile: and in the jubile it shall go out, and he shall return unto his possession.

Again, this is a shadow of greater things to come. It is by grace we are saved. But it is the law that brings us toward it.

Grandpa · Nov 23, 2011

Israel said:

It is grace that saves indeed. But the law is not against this with the proper understanding of it. The law is spiritual represented by it's shadow.

Leviticus 25:8-27

8And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.

9Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.

10And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.

11A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed.

12For it is the jubile; it shall be holy unto you: ye shall eat the increase thereof out of the field.

13In the year of this jubile ye shall return every man unto his possession.

14And if thou sell ought unto thy neighbour, or buyest ought of thy neighbour's hand, ye shall not oppress one another:

15According to the number of years after the jubile thou shalt buy of thy neighbour, and according unto the number of years of the fruits he shall sell unto thee:

16According to the multitude of years thou shalt increase the price thereof, and according to the fewness of years thou shalt diminish the price of it: for according to the number of the years of the fruits doth he sell unto thee.

17Ye shall not therefore oppress one another; but thou shalt fear thy God:for I am the LORD your God.

18Wherefore ye shall do my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them; and ye shall dwell in the land in safety.

19And the land shall yield her fruit, and ye shall eat your fill, and dwell therein in safety.

20And if ye shall say, What shall we eat the seventh year? behold, we shall not sow, nor gather in our increase:

21Then I will command my blessing upon you in the sixth year, and it shall bring forth fruit for three years.

22And ye shall sow the eighth year, and eat yet of old fruit until the ninth year; until her fruits come in ye shall eat of the old store.

23The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine, for ye are strangers and sojourners with me.

24And in all the land of your possession ye shall grant a redemption for the land.

25If thy brother be waxen poor, and hath sold away some of his possession, and if any of his kin come to redeem it, then shall he redeem that which his brother sold.

26And if the man have none to redeem it, and himself be able to redeem it;

27Then let him count the years of the sale thereof, and restore the overplus unto the man to whom he sold it; that he may return unto his possession.

28But if he be not able to restore it to him, then that which is sold shall remain in the hand of him that hath bought it until the year of jubile: and in the jubile it shall go out, and he shall return unto his possession.

Again, this is a shadow of greater things to come. It is by grace we are saved. But it is the law that brings us toward it.

Yes. That makes sense. I have found that to be true, also. Thank you for clarifying.

God Bless You.

cronjecj · Nov 23, 2011

Nalu said:

is the LORD not good or what...?

cronjecj · Nov 23, 2011

Grandpa said:

In the Garden, God shed the blood of animals to give Adam and Eve animals skins to wear and cover their nakedness. Abels sacrifice was worthy because blood was shed. Cains sacrifice had no blood to shed and was deemed unworthy.

I wondered why the blood was so important. What is the big deal about the blood? Then I happened upon Leviticus 17:11 and I understood. Our atonement for our souls is in the blood. Jesus, being the perfect Lamb of God, shed His perfect blood to atone for our souls. Gods own blood cleanses us. Gods perfect sacrifice atones for all of us, through His perfect blood. Thank you Jesus, Hallelujah.

I'm still learning all the awesome things that God has done for us through His perfect Sacrifice in the Lord Jesus Christ. Thank You Lord.

God Bless You

Good.

The more we learn in the knowledge of His word the more we realize the goodness of the LORD

2knowhim · Nov 23, 2011

Israel,

That was a beautiful peace of the law, especially this part here,

8And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.

It reminds me, of when Jesus said:

Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

From what I understand The Children of Israel was in captivity for 490 yrs. Just before the Coming of our Lord.
So when He said this all those days and yrs. we were inslaved to sin He forgave and Restored us back to our
Inheritance, It is Finished. Like you said, our Soul awaits for what we see in Him.

Wow, how beautiful is the Law, and How Spiritual.

Blessings

Nalu · Nov 23, 2011

cronjecj said:

Amen to that.

Cobus · Nov 24, 2011

Cronje, I do recieve it with an open heart! And thank you! Nalu yes it is all about God and not us, that is why I say, REMEMBER WHO IT IS that makes the NEW MAN! It is God that creates the NEW CREATURE, and to even imply that the NEW creature has ANY of the old one is to make God a lier!

I do not wnat to talk about how God brought a man to be a new creature! I want to talk about the new creature. What does he do, who does he please? Who sent him? To do what? Under whose authority is he? Does God even agknowledge the man to be from HIS Kingdom? How does God acknowledge it?

If any man wants to compare himself to Paul's sayings, at least do the same as Paul! It is easy to say I am wreched, becasue I am, but unlike Paul I cannot say it is only Christ that liveth in me! I will be lieing if I do! But the part about wretched, that is 100% true! Paul I know well, Jesus I know well, and Cobus I know well. Cobus is NOTHING like Jesus or Paul! And neither is any other person I know! SAD to say! But truth.

The soul is in the blood, and when Cain killed Abel God said to Cain... THE VOICE OF YOUR BROTHER'S BLOOD CRIETH UNTO ME from the ground! And did God not say he did not want the soul of Jesus left in hell? Neither his flesh did not see corruption (Acts 2:31).... DEEP! VERY DEEP! But beautiful and REWARDING. This is what I want to talk about. Let us forget how sinners are washed, let us see what they become after the BLOOD-BATH! The washing of the water by the Word. What does a man look like AFTER God hasfilled him with God's Spirit! What does such a man look like!

Does God do the same to the man than He did for Jesus? What does this mean...That God sanctify a person to this degree! Just how does this person live? How holy is this person....1 Thes 5:13.... And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1Th 5:24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

Even the body is preserved blameless unto the coming of the Lord! So it was all done here in the flesh! Just how powerful is God's sanctification? And how special does God make a NEW CREATURE! Why becasue HE is faithful! May God's faithfulness also extend to me! God bless all the readers with your WISDOM, Amen!

2knowhim · Nov 24, 2011

Cobus,

You truly have a seeking heart, it's so refreshing.
May you find all the answers you desire of Him.

But I believe that in order for us to see this NEW Creature, we must look
At the ONE who made us to be this way.

Our life is HID in Him, so all we need and are, are IN HIM.

The Garden of Gethsemene is one of the most powerful places, where our New
Creature, was being prepared. The Three Sleeping Souls, (disciples), and The Three Times
Jesus adressed them is so important for our understanding. Our will, was being subdued and
changed. The Blood that you spoke about with cain and abel, was crying out from the
ground.

Two pictures, one in the Garden of God in the begining,
The other in the Garden of Gethsemene

The Blood from the Ground, from a death that took place,
And the Sweat that was like Great drops of Blood that fell to
The Ground from His head, another death was taken place
here too.

Food for thought,
Blessings

cronjecj · Nov 24, 2011

becausehedied said:

To work out your salvation with fear and trembling is not to stop loving God with all your heart and to love your brother.

Love covers all of sins (Proverbs 10:12 KJV)

Love also fulfills the whole law (Romans 13:10 KJV)

WeStand · Nov 24, 2011

cronjecj said:

Hi cronjecj; Yes this is one place, but many on here reject the OT or The Father, so it would probably be better if we add a NT teaching, Mark 12/ 24-34 works ok

Forever in Christ

tribesman · Nov 24, 2011

cronjecj said:

Let the cross (1 Corinthians 1:18) be a constant reminder and symbol that:

(1) The debt of your sins, have already been paid.

(2) You owe no debt; they are all washed away by the Blood of the Lamb.

(3) God’s Love for you is ETERNAL and REAL.

(4) You belong to JESUS, the Shepherd of your Soul.

If your mind is attacked by thoughts of your past sins, don’t panic or be afraid; just think of the cross that you are wearing. Then say, "ALL THOSE SINS ARE WASHED AWAY BY THE BLOOD".
Colossians 1:14 (KJV)

If in the future, you say something or do something, and you feel guilty, don’t panic or be afraid; just think of the cross that you are wearing. (Luke 9:23)

Then say, "THAT TOO IS WASHED AWAY BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB".
Colossians 1:14 (KJV)

All sin, past or future is washed away by the Blood of the Lamb; Meaning paid for forever and you owe nothing. (Hebrews 9:12)

1 Corinthians 1:17-18 (KJV)
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Colossians 2:13-15 (KJV)
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

1 John 1:7 (KJV)
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Revelation 7:14 (KJV)
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Galatians 6:14 (KJV)
But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

Philippians 2:8 (KJV)
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

1 Peter 2:24 (KJV)
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Amen. Good one!

becausehedied · Nov 24, 2011

cronjecj said:

I am confused as to how you make the jump between salvation and loving God and brother. I for one never said anything about that.

Also, as for the rejection of the OT comment, I fully believe in the OT and use it often, Romans 15:4; 1 Corinthians 10:6, 11; tell us what the OT is for (I would urge you to look these Scriptures up).

However, do you think that God loved all of those folks that He destroyed in the flood. Those folks had to do something or they were going to die. Noah and his family got on the ark, no one else did, there was something that they had to do.

How much sense does it make to say that Christ came died and there is nothing for anyone to do. That means in essence that a person can do whatever he/she wants. Thus, when someone says I love God so that means I can do whatever I want Christ has already done everything. Folks look at the words of Christ in Matthew 7:13, 14.

"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it." - Matthew 7:13, 14

Also notice Matthew 7:21-23
Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

cronjecj · Nov 24, 2011

becausehedied said:

I am confused as to how you make the jump between salvation and loving God and brother. I for one never said anything about that.

Salvation comes by faith and having faith we obey the commandments of Jesus Christ (Love God, love thy neighbor) That is what James 2:14 (KJV) is speaking of.

Also, as for the rejection of the OT comment, I fully believe in the OT and use it often, Romans 15:4; 1 Corinthians 10:6, 11; tell us what the OT is for (I would urge you to look these Scriptures up).

Do not urge me anything. ive seen them already.

However, do you think that God loved all of those folks that He destroyed in the flood. Those folks had to do something or they were going to die. Noah and his family got on the ark, no one else did, there was something that they had to do.

Jacob I love, Esau I hated Romans 9:11-13 (KJV)

How much sense does it make to say that Christ came died and there is nothing for anyone to do. That means in essence that a person can do whatever he/she wants.

That is not what i said at all. Love is the works Paul was speaking of. (love the brethren) Hebrews 13:1 (KJV)

Thus, when someone says I love God so that means I can do whatever I want Christ has already done everything. Folks look at the words of Christ in Matthew 7:13, 14.
"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it." - Matthew 7:13, 14

The broad way to destruction is them that loved not the brethren and some of them were foolish in thinking they were saved but were spiritually dead and were not invited to the supper of the Lamb, look at the parable of the 10 virgins.

Also notice Matthew 7:21-23
Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

Yea they did all the wonders in His name but did NOT love the brethren.

....Made the input in red.

ChosenbyHim · Nov 24, 2011

cronjecj said:

Let the cross (1 Corinthians 1:18) be a constant reminder and symbol that:

(1) The debt of your sins, have already been paid.

(2) You owe no debt; they are all washed away by the Blood of the Lamb.

(3) God’s Love for you is ETERNAL and REAL.

(4) You belong to JESUS, the Shepherd of your Soul.

If your mind is attacked by thoughts of your past sins, don’t panic or be afraid; just think of the cross that you are wearing. Then say, "ALL THOSE SINS ARE WASHED AWAY BY THE BLOOD".
Colossians 1:14 (KJV)

If in the future, you say something or do something, and you feel guilty, don’t panic or be afraid; just think of the cross that you are wearing. (Luke 9:23)

Then say, "THAT TOO IS WASHED AWAY BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB".
Colossians 1:14 (KJV)

All sin, past or future is washed away by the Blood of the Lamb; Meaning paid for forever and you owe nothing. (Hebrews 9:12)

1 Corinthians 1:17-18 (KJV)
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Colossians 2:13-15 (KJV)
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

1 John 1:7 (KJV)
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Revelation 7:14 (KJV)
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Galatians 6:14 (KJV)
But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

Philippians 2:8 (KJV)
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

1 Peter 2:24 (KJV)
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Good post brother!

cronjecj · Nov 24, 2011

im hungry..ChosenbyHim, tribesman?....grandpa?

tribesman · Nov 24, 2011

cronjecj said:

As long as it's all kosher, I'm in!

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