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I'm unsure really, but as I have understood it, the gift of prophet was a gift given to the early church to proclaim the word of God to others, when the bible was not complete or others did not have access to it. Today we have the bible.....
2 Tim 3:16: "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work"
Saying all that, God still uses us in many different ways. The Holy Spirit works through us and can often use us to communicate a message to someone else, say, in their time of need when they needed to hear a scripture to pick them up, or it could be the Holy Spirit gives us words to speak to another, in answer to a question they prayed about.
God reveals truth to us in a supernatural way, even if it be something we were pondering over that He then answers... but these things are not the gift of being a prophet.... all Christians with the Holy Spirit are part of the body of Christ, with different spiritual gifts and God can choose to give us more gifts and use us in different ways, reveal things to us. We are arms and legs, none of us greater than another.
God still gives us visions for different reasons. Visions have not terminated. I know of a sound pastor that was given visions of future events, many of which he received way in advance and they did actually take place, but these visions did not add to scripture in any way, they didn't take you away from God's truth, he didn't ever claim to be a prophet, by his own words, rather he claimed to have visions and wanted to share them.
We should always use discernment.... test everything.
1 Thess 5:20-21: "Do not despise prophecies. Test all things; hold fast what is good"
And please, no one put me in a box with a label. I don't agree with divisions. I'm a child of God, and that's how I like it
2 Tim 3:16: "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work"
Saying all that, God still uses us in many different ways. The Holy Spirit works through us and can often use us to communicate a message to someone else, say, in their time of need when they needed to hear a scripture to pick them up, or it could be the Holy Spirit gives us words to speak to another, in answer to a question they prayed about.
God reveals truth to us in a supernatural way, even if it be something we were pondering over that He then answers... but these things are not the gift of being a prophet.... all Christians with the Holy Spirit are part of the body of Christ, with different spiritual gifts and God can choose to give us more gifts and use us in different ways, reveal things to us. We are arms and legs, none of us greater than another.
God still gives us visions for different reasons. Visions have not terminated. I know of a sound pastor that was given visions of future events, many of which he received way in advance and they did actually take place, but these visions did not add to scripture in any way, they didn't take you away from God's truth, he didn't ever claim to be a prophet, by his own words, rather he claimed to have visions and wanted to share them.
We should always use discernment.... test everything.
1 Thess 5:20-21: "Do not despise prophecies. Test all things; hold fast what is good"
And please, no one put me in a box with a label. I don't agree with divisions. I'm a child of God, and that's how I like it
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Twofeet,
Thank you for posting the excerpt from the Message Bible concerning the Prophets. It’s a blessing for me to see you walking in the gifts and calling of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, I thank God for you.
Disciple is from the Greek term maqhthv" (matheˉteˉs) that refers generally to any student, pupil and apprentice; Jesus is our one true Savior Who IS The Most High God manifested in the Flesh from His Most Holy Spoken Word. If His word proclaims that there were prophets, then there were prophets; and if His word proclaims there will be prophets, then there will be prophets (And it does). 1 Corinthians 12 KJV - Now concerning spiritual gifts, - Bible Gateway
I believe the written word of God in its entirety. The Characteristics of God have not changed from creation unto this day. Since the prophets of God and God Himself were treated in a vile way, the prophets of today should not expect anything different.
He is Alpha and Omega; anyone that hinders one of His Children (True followers aka disciples aka prophets aka teachers aka preachers) will answer to Him on that day.
Nowhere in scripture was it said that prophets were for the ‘’First Church only”, we have been given God’s Holy Spirit as our Helper, “”God’s Holy Spirit is Powerful, because IT IS the Spirit of God’’; now what a person does with that is up to them. We cannot fully understand the creator of Heaven and Earth without help from His Spirit dwelling in us and having daily relationship with us.
God bless you
Thank you for posting the excerpt from the Message Bible concerning the Prophets. It’s a blessing for me to see you walking in the gifts and calling of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, I thank God for you.
Disciple is from the Greek term maqhthv" (matheˉteˉs) that refers generally to any student, pupil and apprentice; Jesus is our one true Savior Who IS The Most High God manifested in the Flesh from His Most Holy Spoken Word. If His word proclaims that there were prophets, then there were prophets; and if His word proclaims there will be prophets, then there will be prophets (And it does). 1 Corinthians 12 KJV - Now concerning spiritual gifts, - Bible Gateway
I believe the written word of God in its entirety. The Characteristics of God have not changed from creation unto this day. Since the prophets of God and God Himself were treated in a vile way, the prophets of today should not expect anything different.
He is Alpha and Omega; anyone that hinders one of His Children (True followers aka disciples aka prophets aka teachers aka preachers) will answer to Him on that day.
Nowhere in scripture was it said that prophets were for the ‘’First Church only”, we have been given God’s Holy Spirit as our Helper, “”God’s Holy Spirit is Powerful, because IT IS the Spirit of God’’; now what a person does with that is up to them. We cannot fully understand the creator of Heaven and Earth without help from His Spirit dwelling in us and having daily relationship with us.
God bless you
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
"Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who had previously announced the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become; you who received the law as ordained by angels, and yet did not keep it." Acts 7:52-53
Hmmmm........ we have to name them?
"Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
"Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who had previously announced the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become; you who received the law as ordained by angels, and yet did not keep it." Acts 7:52-53
Hmmmm........ we have to name them?
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Well the true Prophets were never nameless. Although those verses were relating to
a totally different administration and covenant...im ok with its present application.
But keep in mind its in constant use in the circles where there are false prophets
which i could give a full page list of. And the use of those verses usually are used as
a psychological tool to put fear in people to not question things.
To ask after the thread has got this far for the names of present day prophets
since in fact you and others are affirming there is. Is that somehow wrong?
Dont all of us have the need to hear them?
Now IF your talking about the Holyspirit working in people in ways that line up with the word
im not questioning that.
Example: the other day i was disputing a point.....boom up comes tongues...no reason at
all for a discussion to go so off coarse and haywire that it make people do the all or none thing.
Noway do we take spirituals in a all or none way.
Stephen it appears you didnt notice that i was seperating the Prophet from the manisfestation
of prophecy.
a totally different administration and covenant...im ok with its present application.
But keep in mind its in constant use in the circles where there are false prophets
which i could give a full page list of. And the use of those verses usually are used as
a psychological tool to put fear in people to not question things.
To ask after the thread has got this far for the names of present day prophets
since in fact you and others are affirming there is. Is that somehow wrong?
Dont all of us have the need to hear them?
Now IF your talking about the Holyspirit working in people in ways that line up with the word
im not questioning that.
Example: the other day i was disputing a point.....boom up comes tongues...no reason at
all for a discussion to go so off coarse and haywire that it make people do the all or none thing.
Noway do we take spirituals in a all or none way.
Stephen it appears you didnt notice that i was seperating the Prophet from the manisfestation
of prophecy.
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So no vision, and no dream, and no revelation
Woops, and no scripture, just a sweeping statement that there are no prophets
The whole Christian culture was built upon prophets and apostles, and all through bible history there has been prophets. Some accomplished big things, some accomplished very small things, and some in the bible it was hard to know what they accomplished.
And you want us to believe God has changed his ways from how he used to do it before.
I can’t help but think you’re trying to make nothing into sound doctrine.
Woops, and no scripture, just a sweeping statement that there are no prophets
The whole Christian culture was built upon prophets and apostles, and all through bible history there has been prophets. Some accomplished big things, some accomplished very small things, and some in the bible it was hard to know what they accomplished.
And you want us to believe God has changed his ways from how he used to do it before.
I can’t help but think you’re trying to make nothing into sound doctrine.
I was always under the impression that the manifestation of the spirit of prophecy is actually what made anyone a prophet in the first place.
2 Peter 1:19-21 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2 Peter 1:19-21 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
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Stephen,
Well if you think that!... then id have to say there are bazillions of prophets.
No i cant agree both biblically and in what i see going on in the church.
If theres no difference between a Prophet and a manifestation of prophecy
in the charismatic/pentecostal group. Then no wonder there is so much confusion.
Also your mixing verses...what you quoted doesnt have the words "manifestation" or "Spirit of Prophecy" in it.
Well if you think that!... then id have to say there are bazillions of prophets.
No i cant agree both biblically and in what i see going on in the church.
If theres no difference between a Prophet and a manifestation of prophecy
in the charismatic/pentecostal group. Then no wonder there is so much confusion.
Also your mixing verses...what you quoted doesnt have the words "manifestation" or "Spirit of Prophecy" in it.
Numbers 11:29 29 And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!
1 Corinthians 14:5 5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
Acts 2:16-18 16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
bazillions..... hmmm..... I don't know if it's that many.
1 Corinthians 14:5 5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
Acts 2:16-18 16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
bazillions..... hmmm..... I don't know if it's that many.
If you could've seen what Israel was doing in the Old Testament, you wouldn't have believed all the promises given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob either! Their behavior never added up to the truth of God's promises. In the Old Testament, God used the Kings, priests, and prophets. But how many Kings and priests lived the life where the Spirit of God could use them? It was mostly just the opposite. So it is in the modern day church. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not true.
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It's not to become God , it makes perfect sense to me now why some don't think a woman can speak to men now, the women have no Word from.God to deliver. Scripture says explicitly in 1 Tim. 2:12 that women are LOWER in the order, er, make that, LOWEST, in the 'speaking arrangement,' but they are CERTAINLY 'suffered' to speak to men IF God gives them a PROPHETIC 'word' to do so.
Do you even understand the word 'suffer,' it means 'to put up with,' Paul did not PUT UP WITH a woman being able to speak out of order, dominate what is GENERALLY (not exclusively) a man's role. The 'but to he quiet' is VERY telling, too, Paul is telling the ladies to LISTEN to the man in authority who is teaching them in the church. HOW in the world (oh, that's how ) one gets women can NEVER preach or teach to a man from this verse utterly amazed me, UNTIL NOW You simply DON'T believe God can give a woman a calling. And, isn't that what a 'calling,' is? God speaks to us about what He wants us to do, His Holy Spirit, Christ in us, He in us, we in Him, 'you in Me,' whispering words to OUR spirit. Scripture is CLEAR, too. Only we know our own spirit, we certainly have NO clue of what God is thinking either. He WORKS in us, through us, as, through our movement of FAITH proceedings/procuring, God MOVES US FARTHER in His plan to bring glory unto Himself so others choose Him, so, too, will YOU be blessed, with peace, understanding, knowledge, maybe, even wisdom, no, 'course, He gives that, too, these are FRUITS from using the GIFT of Him unto your body, and the manifestation (gifts) that are awarded (given).
7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, a and to still another the interpretation of tongues. b 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.
But, yes, pray for Truth from He in your temple, He will be there to answer, 1 Tim. 2:12, read this verse YOURSELF, again, for the first time , what does it say to you now?
I am hopefully getting this verse right by rote, but go read the whole of the verses around 1 TIM. 2:12 too please, again, He GIVES you your Truth, NOT me . I am but a vessel who prays He is pure, who declares 'Jesus is my Lord!'. And, oh yes, I certainly do
"I suffer not a woman to teach or have (usurp, means 'swallow up) authority over a man but to be silent."
Christ is the head of the church but we are ALL one body who gets our words from Him, from.His Word, which speaks to our spirit, with Him in us, I in Him (read John 14)
Now, STAY with me, my PROPHETIC WORD here , ah, who knows, He leads me, I always hope and pray this what I say is His Truth spoken through me, but, Yes, here, full circle, we have Paul in, Yes, after the 'gift' and 'manifestations (gifts) speaken of is WHY women can BECOME PASTORS and TEACHERS, as He puts 'this' on the tablet of 'her' heart
12 The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptized by c one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
14 Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. 15 If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 16 And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19 If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” 22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues d ? Do all interpret? 31 But eagerly desire e the greater gifts.
God bless your search for Him, that you find His perfect sanctum of will to glorify Him, change you as He wants to work.
I pray , thus , with ALL my heart Jer. 29:11-13
God bless you, Christ peeps
to become God , it makes perfect sense to me now why some don't think a woman can speak to men now, the women have no Word from.God to deliver. Scripture says explicitly in 1 Tim. 2:12 that women are LOWER in the order, er, make that, LOWEST, in the 'speaking arrangement,' but they are CERTAINLY 'suffered' to speak to men IF God gives them a PROPHETIC 'word' to do so. Do you even understand the word 'suffer,' it means 'to put up with,' Paul did not PUT UP WITH a woman being able to speak out of order, dominate what is GENERALLY (not exclusively) a man's role. The 'but to he quiet' is VERY telling, too, Paul is telling the ladies to LISTEN to the man in authority who is teaching them in the church. HOW in the world (oh, that's how
) one gets women can NEVER preach or teach to a man from this verse utterly amazed me, UNTIL NOW You simply DON'T believe God can give a woman a calling. And, isn't that what a 'calling,' is? God speaks to us about what He wants us to do, His Holy Spirit, Christ in us, He in us, we in Him, 'you in Me,' whispering words to OUR spirit. Scripture is CLEAR, too. Only we know our own spirit, we certainly have NO clue of what God is thinking either. He WORKS in us, through us, as, through our movement of FAITH proceedings/procuring, God MOVES US FARTHER in His plan to bring glory unto Himself so others choose Him, so, too, will YOU be blessed, with peace, understanding, knowledge, maybe, even wisdom, no, 'course, He gives that, too, these are FRUITS from using the GIFT of Him unto your body, and the manifestation (gifts) that are awarded (given). 7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, a and to still another the interpretation of tongues. b 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.
But, yes, pray for Truth from He in your temple, He will be there to answer, 1 Tim. 2:12, read this verse YOURSELF, again, for the first time
, what does it say to you now? I am hopefully getting this verse right by rote, but go read the whole of the verses around 1 TIM. 2:12 too please, again, He GIVES you your Truth, NOT me . I am but a vessel who prays He is pure, who declares 'Jesus is my Lord!'. And, oh yes, I certainly do
"I suffer not a woman to teach or have (usurp, means 'swallow up) authority over a man but to be silent."
Christ is the head of the church but we are ALL one body who gets our words from Him, from.His Word, which speaks to our spirit, with Him in us, I in Him (read John 14)
Now, STAY with me, my PROPHETIC WORD here
, ah, who knows, He leads me, I always hope and pray this what I say is His Truth spoken through me, but, Yes, here, full circle, we have Paul in, Yes, after the 'gift' and 'manifestations (gifts) speaken of is WHY women can BECOME PASTORS and TEACHERS, as He puts 'this' on the tablet of 'her' heart 12 The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptized by c one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
14 Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. 15 If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 16 And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19 If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” 22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues d ? Do all interpret? 31 But eagerly desire e the greater gifts.
God bless your search for Him, that you find His perfect sanctum of will to glorify Him, change you as He wants to work.
I pray , thus , with ALL my heart Jer. 29:11-13
God bless you, Christ peeps
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“Its already foretold that there are two prophets to come, and there are no others, there are no prophets today”.
Interesting little story, but nothing to do with the Bible, nothing to do with the word of God, and nothing to do with the spirit of God.
It was foretold that john the Baptist would come.
It was foretold that Jesus would come.
But it was not foretold of the disciples who were prophets and changed the course of history, not a word was written about them.
You can’t judge things to come only on what’s foretold
Interesting little story, but nothing to do with the Bible, nothing to do with the word of God, and nothing to do with the spirit of God.
It was foretold that john the Baptist would come.
It was foretold that Jesus would come.
But it was not foretold of the disciples who were prophets and changed the course of history, not a word was written about them.
You can’t judge things to come only on what’s foretold
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Prophetic word given us , prophetic word received, pastors give prophetic words all the time, don't they?
They are both sent by God, the definition of 'apostle' is 'one who is sent,' so, to christianize it would be one SENT BY GOD What did Isaiah say? Here I am, Lord , send me.' And wasn't 'Zayuh' also a prophet
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Jaw-dropping 'word' you there received from that 'lady visit,' Stephanoupolis. God just works, doesn't He, never stopping, always working, from our beginning to our never-ending Great PROOF of the Spirit speaking to you,case only He can do , with no one else hearing but you
We are to be 'servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God,' Scripture states, and, if this does not contain in its grasp an understanding of God using us to get out a prophetic word, why not?
How can God get you to realize this Truth of prophecy a MESSAGE by a messenger God uses TODAY
They are both sent by God, the definition of 'apostle' is 'one who is sent,' so, to christianize it would be one SENT BY GOD
What did Isaiah say? Here I am, Lord , send me.' And wasn't 'Zayuh' also a prophet --------
Jaw-dropping 'word' you there received from that 'lady visit,' Stephanoupolis. God just works, doesn't He, never stopping, always working, from our beginning to our never-ending
Great PROOF of the Spirit speaking to you,case only He can do , with no one else hearing but you We are to be 'servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God,' Scripture states, and, if this does not contain in its grasp an understanding of God using us to get out a prophetic word, why not?
How can God get you to realize this Truth of prophecy a MESSAGE by a messenger God uses TODAY
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