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zone

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did he say anything about not worshipping satan or idols of wood?

lack of evidence is not evidence.
the New testament has more than 1,000 commands; imperatives and instructions.
not a single on is about the sabbath, other than not letting certain people judge us for placing our faith in the Substance - Christ.
and, letting every man esteem each day as he will - which instruction some of you break every single day repeatedly.
 
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Is is to some people. Anyone who exalts the law above Christ has made it an idol.
Christ and the law are tied together as Jesus is an example of what man can be when fully surrendered unto the law. What I mean by this is Jesus fulfilled the law and is the only one to completely keep it and in so doing became the perfect intercessor between God and Man by His sacrificial death, burial and resurrection. His mission would of failed Had he not kept the law which allowed a sinless sacrifice with the ability to take upon himself all of our sins.
 

Hizikyah

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Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O Yahweh! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change the Law that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."
 
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Is is to some people. Anyone who exalts the law above Christ has made it an idol.
Pulling the things of God apart like this is uncalled for. Christ is Christ with many attributes. The law is the law with many attributes. Trying to put down any of it with bringing in something completely unrelated is not of God.
 

Hizikyah

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Yahchanan (John) 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"
 
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15 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit.[SUP]3 [/SUP]Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me. [SUP]5 [/SUP]I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. [SUP]6 [/SUP]If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned. [SUP]7 [/SUP]If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. [SUP]8 [/SUP]By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples. [SUP]9 [/SUP]As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love. [SUP]10 [/SUP]If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love. [SUP]11 [/SUP]These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full.

Know is to love
love is to obey
obey is to abide
abide is to bear fruit
bear fruit is to Joy in Christ

Galatians 6:2 Bear one anothers burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.

what is the Law of Christ - love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and to love your neighbor as yourself - especially the brethren

Why follow Law written to heighten sin to the jews? Especially when Hebrews tells us they were a shadow - shall we chase shadows ? What about laws give in the garden, or in the days of Noah, and Job?
 

Hizikyah

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15 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser.[SUP]2 [/SUP]Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit.[SUP]3 [/SUP]Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you.[SUP]4 [/SUP]Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me.[SUP]5 [/SUP]I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.[SUP]6 [/SUP]If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.[SUP]7 [/SUP]If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.[SUP]8 [/SUP]By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples.[SUP]9 [/SUP]As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love.[SUP]10 [/SUP]If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.[SUP]11 [/SUP]These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full.

Know is to love
love is to obey
obey is to abide
abide is to bear fruit
bear fruit is to Joy in Christ

Galatians 6:2 Bear one anothers burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.

what is the Law of Christ - love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and to love your neighbor as yourself - especially the brethren

Why follow Law written to heighten sin to the jews? Especially when Hebrews tells us they were a shadow - shall we chase shadows ? What about laws give in the garden, or in the days of Noah, and Job?
Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Shaul clearly understands what the Messiah means and explains it here:

Romans 13:9, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself."

All as in even the ones he didn't list...

Try breaking Leviticus 19:17 and still be loving your neighbor according to Messiah.

And try breaking the 4th Commandment and still be loving Yahweh.

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

Mattithyah 19:17-21, "But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the 1Laws of Yahweh. He then asked Yahshua; Which ones? Yahshua said: You shall not murder. you shall not ccommit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false testimony. Honor your father and mother, and; You shall love your neighbor as yourself. The young man said to Him; All these things I have kept from my youth up; what do I yet lack? Yahshua said to him: If you want to come to the perfection, go and sell of what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and you will be walking in Yahweh's ways, and following Me."

Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Mattithyah 22:37, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."

1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Galations 3:28,29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."

Psalam 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O Yahweh! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."

Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who asojourns with you."

Exodus 12:48-49, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing dany evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which eplease Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
 
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Is is to some people. Anyone who exalts the law above Christ has made it an idol.
Talk of exalting the law above Christ is an indication that you know nothing about the law. It is not possible. Without Christ, the law simply isn't meant for you, it is only given to those in Christ, so if you don't have Christ you can disregard the law, and if you had Christ, you would honor the law and understand it is holy.
 
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Galatians 2:21
I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"
You are loosing it.God is ruler over our lives whether we like it or not.He has given us free will to choose what we want.But in the end the ruler will do 'justice'.
"I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain." - Christ fulfilled the law.If we need to make it to Heaven(every Christian's hope),we must follow the commands of Love in New Testament,with Love.There is forgiveness from God even if we fail here and there.But we must overcome.By his Grace we can!
The ruler came down to redeem us and washed us by his Blood.If he is not ruler over your life,you are ruled by sin!.
Please turn to God.It's not hard.As soon as we repent,Grace of God covers us.
God Bless.
 
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ji

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Yahshua has become our Savior! Now we must truly make Him our ruler. Not in word only but also in deed!

I personally find it comforting that Yahshua being the perfect reflection of Yahweh has been (will be) made ruler over all things by Yahweh. We can trust Yahweh and Yahshua 100% We have nothing to worry about concerning their honesty! We can trust them!
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To this I want to say thank you Yahweh!!!!!
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man who does evil: to the Yahdai(Jew) first, and also to the Greek (Gentile) But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of persons with Yahweh.”
Romans 4:26 KJV 1611 "Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification."

The reason why Jesus had to die and purposeful reason for him to be lifted up by the Power of God for our own justification makes it clear that He lives again for redeeming and rescuing us from bondage.What a selfless unconditionally loving God..Its not about him that Jesus thinking of.
Jesus is worthy of all Praise.He sits on the right hand of God for our justification.How marvelously it connects the mysterious dots in Holy Bible..
He taught me what friendship really means.That's why i follow him and struggle despite troubles to be like him.He taught us who are unworthy, to LOVE. Shouldn't we follow him?YEA,we should,we must.
Struggles doesn't matter,..He has already gone in front of us to hell first and then to the right hand of God in Heaven.

"The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name" - Exodus 15 :3 KJV.

God Bless:)