The MOST CONTROVERSIAL STATEMENT MADE

[newbirth]

I believe what the bible teaches...salvation is based upon grace and faith...everything after that is a work which does not save, but is a direct result of saving faith which actually saves!

and faith without works is dead....unless your saving faith has works it is alone and therefore dead...do you teach faith without works?

 

[Jabberjaw]

Another statement based upon ignorance......and your statement is a joke......! I suggest you re-read the Passover account and stand corrected and then actually trust into the non-watered down blood of Christ before you find your self baked in the pit!

I see you like to pass judgment, maybe you should spend a little time learning what the bible teaches on that.

I have read the passover account (Exodus 12) and nothing in it will save you, you're much better off first learning what is required in the New Covenant that leads to salvation rather than the Old Covenant that only leads to the New.

 

[dcontroversal]

You're name calling shows your weakness in not only your position but your debating skills.

means?

I chose to delete the rest because this one point you made is moot.....I joking use different names all the time...both with family, friends, neighbors, food joints etc.....so...don't be so easily offended which is a sign of spiritual immaturity and or a lack thereof!

 

[posthuman]

'i'm just going to leave this here.. '

 

[dcontroversal]

I see you like to pass judgment, maybe you should spend a little time learning what the bible teaches on that.

I have read the passover account (Exodus 12) and nothing in it will save you, you're much better off first learning what is required in the New Covenant that leads to salvation rather than the Old Covenant that only leads to the New.

Whatever dude....and like I said...your comment was a joke at best...and my bible teaches me to judge ALL things by the word including your misguided statements about the watered down blood that you believe into!

 

[Jabberjaw]

Hey Jabberjaw,
I want you to know when I got saved again, it was by the power of Jesus alone... No preachers laying hands, no water, no noise, but me falling to my knees in the four corners of my own room, and confessing to Jesus, with His words before me, I was immediately filled with the Holy Spirit... No water

My experience was out of complete humility and desperation .. My life isn't like yours, I don't know where or what you've seen, I can only speak for myself..This is what Jesus did for me, he might've saved you coming out of water, He might have saved others in different places in houses and so fourth.. Don't put limits on God.. He's capable of ALL THINGS

He is incapable of one thing, telling a lie, and He would be unjust to save anyone this side of the cross without doing what His son commands, as all authority is given Him, and one of His commands is to be water baptized, so how do you get around that?

 

[dcontroversal]

'i'm just going to leave this here.. '

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I feel like I was looking at a kaleidoscope with a multi colored, triune, cacophony of scripture.....so why don't you tell us exactly what you believe HAH!

 

[Jabberjaw]

You're name calling shows your weakness in not only your position but your debating skills.

I chose to delete the rest because this one point you made is moot.....I joking use different names all the time...both with family, friends, neighbors, food joints etc.....so...don't be so easily offended which is a sign of spiritual immaturity and or a lack thereof!

If it is a joke, it is only you who finds it funny, you show yourself to look down on others by it, and it serves no use to honest debate in search of truth.

 

[Jabberjaw]

Whatever dude....and like I said...your comment was a joke at best...and my bible teaches me to judge ALL things by the word including your misguided statements about the watered down blood that you believe into!

You cannot get around Mark 16:16 no matter what dance you choose.

Mark 16:16 (NKJV) He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.

 

[newbirth]

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that is rubbish...only one group in the verse is saved ...whosoever believe and is baptised shall be saved....

 

[dcontroversal]

You cannot get around Mark 16:16 no matter what dance you choose.

Mark 16:16 (NKJV) He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.

Whatever, and I don't see immersion in the latter half of that verse, and you cannot get around the two sets of words I told you to study and the Greek definition so....keep trusting into water dude and we shall see.......

LIKNESS and LIKE FIGURE as applied unto immersion...

 

[Jackson123]

You must first see what was commanded of the Lord :

Matthew 28:19-20 (NKJV) [SUP]19 [/SUP] Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [SUP]20 [/SUP] teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

Jesus said "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them" Notice he told the disciples to "make disciples" by baptizing them.

John the baptizer tells us only Jesus can baptize with the HS :

Matthew 3:11 (NKJV) I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Now again looking forward to the great commission Matt 28:19-20 (quoted above) Notice Jesus did not say "Go therefore and I will make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them.

Only Jesus can baptize with the HS, yet the disciples were told to make new Christians.

Water baptism is the one baptism of Eph. 4:5.

Baptize/immerse in the name of Father Son and Holy Spirit, will save you from sin. In other word, if one was rapist, after immerse in those 3 name, will change, and produce the goof fruit.

But baptism in water, even if you immerse 100 feed below see level, as long as not baptize in those 3 name, not going to have any good.

My Friend is gambler and adulterer, Her mom ask him to be baptize, her mom believe baptism will save him from sin and hell.

Than he baptized, he celebrate his baptism with some of his friend, drink and watching TV, it happen hot movie was broadcast.

Before the movie end, he can't resist went to his prostitute girl friend to commit another adultery.

Water baptism is only symbol, didn't have any power to save you from sin. It just a ritual. one must baptize in those three name, mean study the word and immerse in it. then one will save from sin.

 

[dcontroversal]

If it is a joke, it is only you who finds it funny, you show yourself to look down on others by it, and it serves no use to honest debate in search of truth.

K...whatever.......! You know...people call me dcon or rat poison all the time and I don't whine about it.......!

 

[dcontroversal]

Baptize/immerse in the name of Father Son and Holy Spirit, will save you from sin. In other word, if one was rapist, after immerse in those 3 name, will change, and produce the goof fruit.

But baptism in water, even if you immerse 100 feed below see level, as long as not baptize in those 3 name, not going to have any good.

My Friend is gambler and adulterer, Her mom ask him to be baptize, her mom believe baptism will save him from sin and hell.

Than he baptized, he celebrate his baptism with some of his friend, drink and watching TV, it happen hot movie was broadcast.

Before the movie end, he can't resist went to his prostitute girl friend to commit another adultery.

Water baptism is only symbol, didn't have any power to save you from sin. It just a ritual. one must baptize in those three name, mean study the word and immerse in it. then one will save from sin.

It seems that they have no clue of the words used such as likeness and like figure as applied unto baptism for sure......!

 

[newbirth]

I chose to delete the rest because this one point you made is moot.....I joking use different names all the time...both with family, friends, neighbors, food joints etc.....so...don't be so easily offended which is a sign of spiritual immaturity and or a lack thereof!

Ephesians 5:3-5King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.


this was an opportunity to apologise and you missed it.....sometimes we have a little fun but if it offends someone we should man up and apologise...

 

[Brainfreeze]

Matthew 3:11
…10"The axe is already laid at the root of the trees; therefore every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 11"As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 12"His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
Its all baptism, your just looking at it as the only definition of baptism is water, the scriptures say otherwise, as I KNOW otherwise. Scripture says plain as day, He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit. Theres no dancing around anything, before Jesus, John used water, afterwards Jesus used the the Holy Spirit.. Real simple. Don't know why your so bent on limiting God to water.. Especially when I've shown you scriptures that show the contrary and even a testimony as well.. I guess you will need Jesus Himself to tell you,

 

[newbirth]

Baptize/immerse in the name of Father Son and Holy Spirit, will save you from sin. In other word, if one was rapist, after immerse in those 3 name, will change, and produce the goof fruit.

But baptism in water, even if you immerse 100 feed below see level, as long as not baptize in those 3 name, not going to have any good.

My Friend is gambler and adulterer, Her mom ask him to be baptize, her mom believe baptism will save him from sin and hell.

Than he baptized, he celebrate his baptism with some of his friend, drink and watching TV, it happen hot movie was broadcast.

Before the movie end, he can't resist went to his prostitute girl friend to commit another adultery.

Water baptism is only symbol, didn't have any power to save you from sin. It just a ritual. one must baptize in those three name, mean study the word and immerse in it. then one will save from sin.

you seem to be living in a dream world...your friend got baptised because someone asked him to....the scripture teaches...we hear the word ...we believe the word...we ...repent and is baptised for the remission of sins...not because your girlfriend mom ask you to

 

[Jabberjaw]

Whatever, and I don't see immersion in the latter half of that verse, and you cannot get around the two sets of words I told you to study and the Greek definition so....keep trusting into water dude and we shall see.......

LIKNESS and LIKE FIGURE as applied unto immersion...

And you have yet to show your scripture or your Greek words.

 

[Brainfreeze]

Baptize/immerse in the name of Father Son and Holy Spirit, will save you from sin. In other word, if one was rapist, after immerse in those 3 name, will change, and produce the goof fruit.

But baptism in water, even if you immerse 100 feed below see level, as long as not baptize in those 3 name, not going to have any good.

My Friend is gambler and adulterer, Her mom ask him to be baptize, her mom believe baptism will save him from sin and hell.

Than he baptized, he celebrate his baptism with some of his friend, drink and watching TV, it happen hot movie was broadcast.

Before the movie end, he can't resist went to his prostitute girl friend to commit another adultery.

Water baptism is only symbol, didn't have any power to save you from sin. It just a ritual. one must baptize in those three name, mean study the word and immerse in it. then one will save from sin.

Sounds like your friend, needs help, along with you if that's " your friend ", gets baptized and drinks, watches tv??? ..Then he can't resist and you watched him have intercourse with his " prostitute " girlfriend, did you buy sex from her that night to?? Adultery? Sounds like a orgy or something your describing ... Sounds like all involved need to commit themselves to Jesus, don't think water will help here either...

 

[Jabberjaw]

Matthew 3:11
…10"The axe is already laid at the root of the trees; therefore every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 11"As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 12"His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
Its all baptism, your just looking at it as the only definition of baptism is water, the scriptures say otherwise, as I KNOW otherwise. Scripture says plain as day, He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit. Theres no dancing around anything, before Jesus, John used water, afterwards Jesus used the the Holy Spirit.. Real simple. Don't know why your so bent on limiting God to water.. Especially when I've shown you scriptures that show the contrary and even a testimony as well.. I guess you will need Jesus Himself to tell you,

Again, Jesus commissioned the disciples to make disciples by baptism, Matt. 28:19:

Matthew 28:19 (NKJV)
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,


John the baptizer said ONLY JESUS can baptize with the HS, so the disciples cannot baptize with the HS. Luke 3:16

Luke 3:16 (NKJV)
16 John answered, saying to all, "I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.


So in Acts 10:44 if the Holy Spirit falling upon Cornelius and his household was the one baptism of Eph. 4:5 :

Ephesians 4:5 (NKJV) one Lord, one faith, one baptism;

Then Peter was not only clueless but sinning in having them to be water baptized in verse 47 :

Acts 10:47-48 (NKJV) [SUP]47 [/SUP] "Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?" [SUP]48 [/SUP] And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.