The Need For A Church Council

[Pilgrimshope]

I’m in agreement will a lot of the other posters here. A centralized governing body would be detrimental. It’s been tried and has had less than stellar results.

yes mans been trying to somehow institutionalize and regulate by a group of men , an eternal message of faith meant for any and all to hear , discover , believe and be saved through this faith for a very long time

the Mormons went so far as to say God and Jesus appeared and annointed thier prophet and his 12 apostles to prove they were that regulatory group on earth

every denomination wants that authority and many claim it already hence the divisions .there’s far too much division for it to ever work man is way to unreliable and way to divided in the present

 

[peldom10]

Lately I have spent some time reading some of the post presented at this forum. I have realized that some members here respond with wisdom.

Given the wide array of conflicting doctrines, I believe it is time for a general Church council to be formed. Such a council would have authority and it's decisions would be binding upon all Churches.

Such positions would be non- salaried and no council member would render a decision in consideration for any sum of money.

Can some of you sincere biblical persons present scripture in support of such a council?

No....the Bible teaches individualism in being responsible; ( even the sanhedin had issues...remember).

1. What does the Bible say about personal responsibility ...
   www.gotquestions.org/personal-responsibility.html
   Each one of us has the personal responsibility to “repent and believe the good news” ( Mark 1:15) and then to glorify the Lord with good works ( Ephesians 2:10 ). “Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life” ( 1 John 5:12 ).
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3. There are many more.

 

[pottersclay]

You seem to have a basic misunderstanding of what CS1 is saying and I am not taking sides. Further, you either just forgot or are. taking liberty with scripture. What do I mean? Well, for example, you state Paul said we should not be conformed but that could mean anything and that is the liberty you have taken. Look at the actual scripture:

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Romans 12:2

Paul is saying do not be conformed to the world which is the correct understanding of conformity in this case and nothing to do with being conformed to the image of Christ. We are to conform to the image of Christ, obviously not the world. This is scripture and yes, the renewing of our minds does most definitely align with that conformity. In the case of conforming to the image of Christ, that is a goal all believers share.

You seem to have a basic misunderstanding of what CS1 is saying and I am not taking sides. Further, you either just forgot or are. taking liberty with scripture. What do I mean? Well, for example, you state Paul said we should not be conformed but that could mean anything and that is the liberty you have taken. Look at the actual scripture:

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Romans 12:2

Paul is saying do not be conformed to the world which is the correct understanding of conformity in this case and nothing to do with being conformed to the image of Christ. We are to conform to the image of Christ, obviously not the world. This is scripture and yes, the renewing of our minds does most definitely align with that conformity. In the case of conforming to the image of Christ, that is a goal all believers share.

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Now where is freedom in this?
How well did the christian crusade work out? That was all about conformity.
New world order is also about conformity.

 

[TheLearner]

If we don't have Church Councils to settle Disputed Issues (The Biblical way, btw; beside Acts 15, see also Mat 18:17-18), we will have 1000s of Denominations in Christendom. The word denomination never occurs in the Bible. The Biblical Way is to have One Church.

It is estimated there are as many as 45,000 denominations currently: "Followers of Jesus span the globe. But the global body of more than 2 billion Christians is separated into thousands of denominations. Pentecostal, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Baptist, Apostolic, Methodist — the list goes on. Estimations show there are more than 200 Christian denominations in the U.S. and a staggering 45,000 globally, according to the Center for the Study of Global Christianity. So why does Christianity have so many branches?" https://www.livescience.com/christianity-denominations.html Our Lord and His Apostles foresaw this, and thus instituted Councils.

God Bless,
N. Xavier.

Brother, I agree and disagree with you. You are correct that councils settled disputes. The number of denominations is a joke, even Catholic Apologetists have shown that the source is a joke, poor definition of denomination. In fact, according to that dumb source that are around 200 Catholioc denominiations.

 

[TheLearner]

No. No scripture that I know of would support such an thing.
Each church is to be autonomous, under the leadership of elders (bishops, overseers) with deacons appointed if needed.
There is no scripture that instructs otherwise, to my knowledge.

Eph 4 "unity of faith"

 

[TheLearner]

No we are to be transformed by the renewing of our minds.
This is one of the mistakes the church has done over the years. Conformity is to rule over, what you should eat, dress, ect.

II Peter 1

 

[TheLearner]

. Well Art,
Yeah, I’ve seen quite a bit of heresy from you already.

Tell us again how Mary is God’s mother.

Mary did give birth to Jesus, Jesus is God, She concieved the physical part of Jesus.

 

[TheLearner]

split hairs conform to the image of our lord and transform our minds by the word of God.

We all are doing that, then why do we all disagree? Hint: We are only human

 

[TheLearner]

cool discussion

 

[hornetguy]

Eph 4 "unity of faith"

That scripture points to the fact that all believers are in the body of Christ... it says nothing about any kind of governing body over all believers.... the only one over the church is Christ.

 

[Amanuensis]

The only Church councils worth having are those where the people pray and seek God until the Holy Spirit speaks. They were quite the charismatic council in Jerusalem. Leave out the charismatic part and you just have a board meeting.

 

[SomeDisciple]

It sounds like a great idea in theory at first. It's got anti-Christ written all over it though.

 

[arthurfleminger]

Mary did give birth to Jesus, Jesus is God, She concieved the physical part of Jesus.

Mary did not just conceive the physical part of Jesus. In fact Jesus was both man and divine, man and God and that nature cannot be separated into one or the other. The angel answered Mary in the Gospel of Luke, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.

Nestorianism is a heresy from the fourth century that wrongly proclaimed the doctrine that there were two separate persons, one human and one divine, in the incarnate Christ.

Mary is truly the mother of Jesus and Jesus is God.

 

[arthurfleminger]

Mary did not just conceive the physical part of Jesus. In fact Jesus was both man and divine, man and God and that nature cannot be separated into one or the other. The angel answered Mary in the Gospel of Luke, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.

Nestorianism is a heresy from the fourth century that wrongly proclaimed the doctrine that there were two separate persons, one human and one divine, in the incarnate Christ.

Mary is truly the mother of Jesus and Jesus is God.

Most Protestants also believe that Jesus is a divine-human being, and that what Jesus did—his life and works—can only be properly understood when viewed as the actions of a divine-human being. Most Protestants maintain the traditional Christian doctrine of the two inseperable natures of Christ (fully human and fully divine)

While it is difficult to conceive of a being who is both fully and genuinely human and fully and genuinely divine, many passages of scripture (e.g., John 1:14: "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us") point to it clearly.

You cannot separate Jesus' humanity from His divinity.

 

[SomeDisciple]

You cannot separate Jesus' humanity from His divinity.

Flesh begets flesh, spirit begets spirit. So is Mary divine then?

 

[arthurfleminger]

Flesh begets flesh, spirit begets spirit. So is Mary divine then?

I see you're pretty ignorant on your Bible. Christ was conceived by both the Holy Spirit and Mary, not separately but by both.

 

[SomeDisciple]

I see you're pretty ignorant on your Bible

Yeah, I have some ignorance. But, I just gave you a concept I learned from the bible from John 3:6.
You said:

Mary did not just conceive the physical part of Jesus

What other part of Jesus did she conceive? Did she give birth to his spirit? Or are you saying, like, she gave birth to him mentally and emotionally too, or something like that?

 

[arthurfleminger]

I see you're pretty ignorant on your Bible. Christ was conceived by both the Holy Spirit and Mary, not separately but by both.

And Mary said to the angel, "How shall this be, since I have no husband?" And the angel said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.

Jesus was both God and human at the very beginning of His conception. The Word was made flesh. You cannot separate His divine nature from His human nature. His mother is Mary and He is God. Was it a miracle brought about by God, You bet it was. All things are possible with God.

 

[Diakonos]

Lately I have spent some time reading some of the post presented at this forum. I have realized that some members here respond with wisdom.

Given the wide array of conflicting doctrines, I believe it is time for a general Church council to be formed. Such a council would have authority and it's decisions would be binding upon all Churches.

Such positions would be non- salaried and no council member would render a decision in consideration for any sum of money.

Can some of you sincere biblical persons present scripture in support of such a council?

The Word of God is the Council that dictates how the church operates. Elders are the leaders of individual church congregations, appointed to uphold the teaching of that Council. The Bible outlines how elders ought to be qualified so that such congregations are safe, holy, and thriving.

 

[Dino246]

You cannot separate Jesus' humanity from His divinity.

Was Jesus "human" before He was incarnate?

A simple 'yes' or 'no' will do.