THE NEED TO BE BAPTIZED BY WATER & THE SPIRIT
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Anger blinds the minds of fools. . who say there is no God in their hearts .
I did not know someone was riding on my opinions? LOL
I am not that kind of angry . As a fallen creation, in our anger we are not to sin or when the Sun rises nothing has changed.
Demon obsession comes by lying wonders .They are the kind that say; "Did God (wondering) say you shall not die? Look at me an live! "
I think sometimes when mankind is angry at God they naturally look for error in others.... trying to remove a speck from ones opinion when they have a log in their own perception. We must be careful how we hear. Like the quote in Luke 18 makes me wonder when he comes on the the last day will he find faith, or mankind wondering after their personals experrnced .The self-edifiers .
Why beleive the unseen will or wondering, marveling rather than faith. . believing words of truth .Not did he really say?
Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
No such thing as a "sign gift" .Spiritual gifts, yes . Seen no. Revealed yes
John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
The proof in in the words understood. . not the wondering . Jesus the amazing one is not a circus seal .No need to wonder.
John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
I did not know someone was riding on my opinions? LOL
I am not that kind of angry . As a fallen creation, in our anger we are not to sin or when the Sun rises nothing has changed.
Demon obsession comes by lying wonders .They are the kind that say; "Did God (wondering) say you shall not die? Look at me an live! "
I think sometimes when mankind is angry at God they naturally look for error in others.... trying to remove a speck from ones opinion when they have a log in their own perception. We must be careful how we hear. Like the quote in Luke 18 makes me wonder when he comes on the the last day will he find faith, or mankind wondering after their personals experrnced .The self-edifiers .
Why beleive the unseen will or wondering, marveling rather than faith. . believing words of truth .Not did he really say?
Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
No such thing as a "sign gift" .Spiritual gifts, yes . Seen no. Revealed yes
John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
The proof in in the words understood. . not the wondering . Jesus the amazing one is not a circus seal .No need to wonder.
John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
The reference to that baptism as a shadow(H20) is when Arron's two sons offered strange fire as a lying wonder. It is found in John 3:25 . John the last Levi under the old Levitical order .The order was made new by Jesus coming in the Spirit of Melchezedek the High priest continually with beginning or end. , sending out prophets as apostles. Men, woman and children alike from all the nations.
Challenged by the law the lawyers saying Jesus is from the tribe of Judah. What's he doing baptizes men and woman a function of a priest? That's the foundation the old testament law . Not some kind of new testament oral tradition as a sign of new birth .But a new desire to serve as those who plant the seed in a hope he will give new spirit life. .
Challenged by the law the lawyers saying Jesus is from the tribe of Judah. What's he doing baptizes men and woman a function of a priest? That's the foundation the old testament law . Not some kind of new testament oral tradition as a sign of new birth .But a new desire to serve as those who plant the seed in a hope he will give new spirit life. .
Sorry if offended.
Only God can see into the hearts of all of mankind and move them according to the good purpose of his will . Calling a person a fool endangers oneself. Christians can do foolish things like the foolish Galatians, in unbelief. But they are called back and comforted by the same hearing of faith they ignored. .
It not my intention to endanger anyone. I would suggest putting on the whole armor of God on. It works to protect the faith that works from within new creatures. . giving us a living hope that he promises will not disappoint us.
2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
Only God can see into the hearts of all of mankind and move them according to the good purpose of his will . Calling a person a fool endangers oneself. Christians can do foolish things like the foolish Galatians, in unbelief. But they are called back and comforted by the same hearing of faith they ignored. .
It not my intention to endanger anyone. I would suggest putting on the whole armor of God on. It works to protect the faith that works from within new creatures. . giving us a living hope that he promises will not disappoint us.
2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
Thinking about 1 John 5:6. How did Jesus come?
1. By water = born in the flesh.
2. By blood = in Spirit after his blood was shed on the cross. John 14:18
So, “water and Spirit” in John 3:5 represents Christ. Born of Christ.
Another similar possibility:
”Water and Spirit” in Greek transliterated is “hydatos kai pneumatos”, or ”water and wind”. Two metaphors for the Spirit. So born of water and wind simply means born of the Spirit, which is why water is not repeated in John 3:8.
Water baptism is symbolic of Holy Spirit baptism. Holy Spirit baptism is necessary and precedes water baptism. Water baptism is a demonstration of obedience and submission to Christ as Lord.
Far too many folks today think they can become saved without repentance and submission to Christ as Lord. No repentance and submission no salvation no matter how many times you are water baptized.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Far too many folks today think they can become saved without repentance and submission to Christ as Lord. No repentance and submission no salvation no matter how many times you are water baptized.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
In Matthew 3:11, we read - I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Again, in Acts 1:5, we read - for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now. *TWO SEPARATE BAPTISMS.*
By saying ONE baptism in Ephesians 4:5, Paul did not mean that there is only one baptism that exists, such as water baptism but not Spirit baptism or Spirit baptism but not water baptism and this one baptism (Spirit baptism) places us into the body of Christ.
Ephesians 4:5 - one Lord, one faith, one baptism.
1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
Again, in Acts 1:5, we read - for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now. *TWO SEPARATE BAPTISMS.*
By saying ONE baptism in Ephesians 4:5, Paul did not mean that there is only one baptism that exists, such as water baptism but not Spirit baptism or Spirit baptism but not water baptism and this one baptism (Spirit baptism) places us into the body of Christ.
Ephesians 4:5 - one Lord, one faith, one baptism.
1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
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Jesus was Baptized with water then the Holy Spirit descended on Him. He was Baptized once. There aren't two Baptisms.
No, that was the Church addressing the needs of converts in places where water is scarce and there isn't enough to immerse just enough to sprinkle. Would you tell that community they must risk their lives to Baptize?
As far as babies go I wouldn't Baptize them either if I denied it's power and believed it was just a symbol.
No, that was the Church addressing the needs of converts in places where water is scarce and there isn't enough to immerse just enough to sprinkle. Would you tell that community they must risk their lives to Baptize?
As far as babies go I wouldn't Baptize them either if I denied it's power and believed it was just a symbol.
You are not Jesus. Jesus needed no baptism. You are seeing baptism from an English translation perspective not from the original Greek perspective. There are many baptisms but only one that produces eternal life.
There is no baptism that men can perform to remit sin or redeem a soul. The baptism that saves is wholly of God and not of human hands.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
There is no baptism that men can perform to remit sin or redeem a soul. The baptism that saves is wholly of God and not of human hands.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Luke 7:29
All the people, even the tax collectors, when they heard Jesus’ words, acknowledged that God’s way was right, because they had been baptized by John.
Luke 7:30
But the Pharisees and the experts in the law rejected God’s purpose for themselves, because they had not been baptized by John.)
Doesn't look like a powerless symbol.
All the people, even the tax collectors, when they heard Jesus’ words, acknowledged that God’s way was right, because they had been baptized by John.
Luke 7:30
But the Pharisees and the experts in the law rejected God’s purpose for themselves, because they had not been baptized by John.)
Doesn't look like a powerless symbol.
One baptism in respect to two working together as one "work of faith".
One lord, the greater of the two (father) greater in position but not purpose. God is one. Ceremonial laws are used when a person desires to become a member of the priesthood of believers .They are a a shadow of a work shadows do not work, they demonstrate the unseen work.
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
if we offer that kind of non faith towards God rather than His faith the at works in us . we are in danger of those who cricify christ ow over and over to public shame as if one demonstration was not enough.
No such thing as sign self edifying sign gifts .Jesus calls them dead works . the living foundation is laid once. Faith towards us
Hebrews 6 King James Version (KJV)Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, (not from) Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.