The New Jerusalem

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This new city wont have need of a sun or moon to light it up, but Jesus will light it
up (Rev 21:23). In fact, the whole city will be a light giving source (Rev 21:11).
I had often wondered how a city of 1500 mile wide, high, and breath, could not be dark
in some places. How could one light source not only provide light to such a large place,
where you'll have walls, building, etc, yet, cause the city itself to shine as a light source
to the earth. Then it come to me. Ever hear of "fiber optics". I think it sends light
pulses across great distances. Well look at what the whole city is constructed with:

1. Foundation - All many of precious jewels (Rev 21:19-20)
2. Walls - Like Jasper (Rev 21:18) (Some interpret this as diamonds)
3. Streets - Pure gold as it were transparent glass (Rev 21:21)
4 The city itself - Pure gold as transparent glass (Rev 21:18)

The whole city is made of substances that are light conductors. The glory of Jesus
will travel through the streets, down the foundations, up the walls, and out. If people
have looked at a beautiful sunset, with all the colors, well, this new city will make a sunset
look bland. If you've seen a rainbow with all the colors. This too will pale in comparison.

 

[resurrection33]

I think New Jerusalem is what happens to us when we repent of our sin. Our lives become a paradise. The Lord solves all our problems for us. It happens right away—we don’t have to die and go somewhere first.

 

[Avinu]

This new city wont have need of a sun or moon to light it up, but Jesus will light it
up (Rev 21:23). In fact, the whole city will be a light giving source (Rev 21:11).
I had often wondered how a city of 1500 mile wide, high, and breath, could not be dark
in some places. How could one light source not only provide light to such a large place,
where you'll have walls, building, etc, yet, cause the city itself to shine as a light source
to the earth. Then it come to me. Ever hear of "fiber optics". I think it sends light
pulses across great distances. Well look at what the whole city is constructed with:

1. Foundation - All many of precious jewels (Rev 21:19-20)
2. Walls - Like Jasper (Rev 21:18) (Some interpret this as diamonds)
3. Streets - Pure gold as it were transparent glass (Rev 21:21)
4 The city itself - Pure gold as transparent glass (Rev 21:18)

The whole city is made of substances that are light conductors. The glory of Jesus
will travel through the streets, down the foundations, up the walls, and out. If people
have looked at a beautiful sunset, with all the colors, well, this new city will make a sunset
look bland. If you've seen a rainbow with all the colors. This too will pale in comparison.

You're exactly right, I can't wait to see it, it will be breath taking to say the least. Shalom

 

[Deadflesh]

New Jerusalem is the Bride of Christ(lambs wife) The LAMB has one wife. ONLY one.


New Jerusalem is said to come OUT FROM GOD(Rev 21:2)

New Jerusalem is said to Contain GOD(Rev 21:22)

New Jerusalem has a Temple The TEMPLE is GOD and the LAMB(notice they are ONE, not separated and they are INSIDE the lambs wife...the LAMB is inside his wife, as is the father, and they are ONE) (Rev 21:22)

SO the Bride of CHRIST comes down from GOD, contains God in her, is married to the lamb, and the lamb is contained IN HER, and the lamb is one with GOD almighty and they are the temple.


There is ONE Bride(Wife) of the ONE JESUS(Lamb) and that LAMB is the temple. Inside the bride who was born of GOD(21:2) is GOD(21:22) and GOD is ONE with the LAMB(21:22) ....

 

[Avinu]

New Jerusalem is the Bride of ChristThis is incorrect and scripture doesn't say this anywhere at all.(lambs wife) The LAMB has one wife. ONLY one. Correct


New Jerusalem is said to come OUT FROM GOD(Rev 21:2)It says 'coming down out of Heaven from God" Not 'out of God'

New Jerusalem is said to Contain GOD(Rev 21:22) It doesn't say this either, it says "But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

New Jerusalem has a Temple The TEMPLE is GOD and the LAMB(notice they are ONE, not separated and they are INSIDE the lambs wife...the LAMB is inside his wife, as is the father, and they are ONE) (Rev 21:22) If the New Jerusalem wasn't literal, then it wouldn't give detailed measurements of the 200 ft. thick walls, the size of 1500 miles long as it is wide as it is tall. Because this would be useless and make no sense what so ever.

SO the Bride of CHRIST comes down from GOD, contains God in her, is married to the lamb, and the lamb is contained IN HER, and the lamb is one with GOD almighty and they are the temple. So this is incorrect and scripture doesn't say this either.


There is ONE Bride(Wife) of the ONE JESUS(Lamb) and that LAMB is the temple. Inside the bride who was born of GOD(21:2) is GOD(21:22) and GOD is ONE with the LAMB(21:22) .... Your statement here give indication that God/Yeshua are only going to dwell in us here on earth, when scripture says He will dwell WITH us forever. It is WE who will be allowed in His presence forever.

You really have to keep the scripture in it's proper context. Shalom

 

[Deadflesh]

OH...ok. Jesus Bless you.

 

[Deadflesh]

OH...ok. Jesus Bless you.

Why would there be a wall around the city?

 

[Avinu]

Why would there be a wall around the city?

Rev. 21:12 Also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel.

Rev. 22:14-15 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. BUT OUTSIDE are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

 

[Deadflesh]

Rev. 21:12 Also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel.

Rev. 22:14-15 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. BUT OUTSIDE are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

Zech 2:4-5
and said to him, "Run, speak to that young man, saying, 'Jerusalem will be inhabited without walls because of the multitude of men and cattle within it. For I,’ declares the LORD, ‘will be a wall of fire around her, and I will be the glory in her midst.’”

No walls. THE LORD is a wall. So is this physical?

 

[Avinu]

Zech 2:4-5
and said to him, "Run, speak to that young man, saying, 'Jerusalem will be inhabited without walls because of the multitude of men and cattle within it. For I,’ declares the LORD, ‘will be a wall of fire around her, and I will be the glory in her midst.’”

No walls. THE LORD is a wall. So is this physical?
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This scripture is pertaining to the time of millenial reign when Yeshua comes back and is proclaimed King of Kings and reigns and rules from the Ez. temple in Jerusalem. There will be no need for the walls and gates to be protected from the enemies of Israel. For Yeshua destroyed Israel's enemies at His second coming. This is not talking about the New Jerusalem. Shalom

 

[Deadflesh]

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This scripture is pertaining to the time of millenial reign when Yeshua comes back and is proclaimed King of Kings and reigns and rules from the Ez. temple in Jerusalem. There will be no need for the walls and gates to be protected from the enemies of Israel. For Yeshua destroyed Israel's enemies at His second coming. This is not talking about the New Jerusalem. Shalom

So Jerusalem during the "Millennium" which is phsycial and has NO walls, is not the New Jerusalem which is Phsycial and now NEEDS walls.

Jerusalem in the millennium doesn't need walls because GOD is a wall of fire around it. But the NEW Jerusalem NEEDS a wall...because GOD will no longer be a wall of FIRE around it?

 

[Avinu]

So the temple during the "Millennium" which is phsycial and has NO walls, is not the New Jerusalem which is Phsycial and now NEEDS walls.

the temple in the millennium doesn't need walls because GOD is a wall of fire around it. But the NEW Jerusalem NEEDS a wall...because GOD will no longer be a wall of FIRE around it?

No I'm not saying any of that. In the millenial reign Israel and it's cities will not have the walls around it like it does today for protection. Just because YHVH puts walls around the New Jerusalem doesn't have anything to do with protecting it. Scripture says what it says.

In Ez. chapters 40-42 give the measurements and descriptions of the Ez. temple and the wall around the outside of it that measures 40 miles long and 10 miles wide. The Temple itself will be bigger than any temple ever built. It will be 1mile by 1mile.

 

[Deadflesh]

No I'm not saying any of that. In the millenial reign Israel and it's cities will not have the walls around it like it does today for protection. Just because YHVH puts walls around the New Jerusalem doesn't have anything to do with protecting it. Scripture says what it says.

In Ez. chapters 40-42 give the measurements and descriptions of the Ez. temple and the wall around the outside of it that measures 40 miles long and 10 miles wide. The Temple itself will be bigger than any temple ever built. It will be 1mile by 1mile.

Scripture says the LORD will be a wall of FIRE around it. if scripture says what it says will this be literal?

 

[Avinu]

Scripture says the LORD will be a wall of FIRE around it. if scripture says what it says will this be literal?

With everything else that scripture says about this, then we have to discern if YHVH is talking figuratively or literally. Now since He gives detailed measurements about everything else, then we know all that is literal, because it would make no sense to give such measurements to something that wouldn't exist. YHVH also says He refines us through the fire, does that mean we are burning alive until all sin is purged from us? YHVH's presence is called fire many times in scripture, so since His presence is in and around the temple, whether it be the millenial temple or the New Jerusalem, then we know that His presence is so powerful that nothing can penetrate it. So I would submit He is speaking figuratively in this passage in Zech. It's just logical, considering all the other verses that pertain to it.

 

[Deadflesh]

With everything else that scripture says about this, then we have to discern if YHVH is talking figuratively or literally. Now since He gives detailed measurements about everything else, then we know all that is literal, because it would make no sense to give such measurements to something that wouldn't exist. YHVH also says He refines us through the fire, does that mean we are burning alive until all sin is purged from us? YHVH's presence is called fire many times in scripture, so since His presence is in and around the temple, whether it be the millenial temple or the New Jerusalem, then we know that His presence is so powerful that nothing can penetrate it. So I would submit He is speaking figuratively in this passage in Zech. It's just logical, considering all the other verses that pertain to it.

Ok, so if that is symbolic, adn we understand that the LAMB is not literally a buildign called a temple, SO coudln't the numbers be symbolic as well? whether we understand it(understanding comes ASKING GOD ...which we should always do if we don't understand) or not couldnt they STILL be symbols? And if they are spiritual symbols for SOMETHING then


Ezekiel 48:35, and Revelation 21:3 arent they saying the same thing?

 

[Avinu]

Ezekiel 48:35, and Revelation 21:3 arent saying the same thing?

Your right. Ezekiel ch's 40-48 refer to millenial reign, as where Rev. 21 is talking about the The New Jerusalem after millenial reign and the earth and heavens are made new.

 

[Deadflesh]

Your right. Ezekiel ch's 40-48 refer to millenial reign, as where Rev. 21 is talking about the The New Jerusalem after millenial reign and the earth and heavens are made new.

The name of the city is the lord is there.


Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name. " Rev 3:12

overcomers wil have the name of the CITY written on them. The name of the city is "the lord is there" Its one city, one name.


No?

 

[Avinu]

The name of the city is the lord is there. Yes this is correct, for Yeshua will be in Jerusalem reigning for a thousand yrs.


Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name. " Rev 3:12 Again this is not during millenial reign, this is when YHVH has finished everything and the New Jerusalem descends from heaven to earth where we will be with Him for eternity.

overcomers wil have the name of the CITY written on them. The name of the city is "the lord is there" Its one city, one name. This is where in scripture?


No?

No my friend.

 

[Deadflesh]

The name of the city is the lord is there. Yes this is correct, for Yeshua will be in Jerusalem reigning for a thousand yrs.


Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name. " Rev 3:12 Again this is not during millenial reign, this is when YHVH has finished everything and the New Jerusalem descends from heaven to earth where we will be with Him for eternity.

overcomers wil have the name of the CITY written on them. The name of the city is "the lord is there" Its one city, one name. This is where in scripture?


No?

Its the name of the city. the cities NAME is the lord is there. thats the name.


The NAME of the city will be written on those who overcome. WhO says its a different name? and a different city?

"But you have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the judge of all men, to the spirits of righteous men made perfect, 24to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel." Hebrews 12


Have we come to heavenly Jerusalem allready?

 

[Avinu]

Its the name of the city. the cities NAME is the lord is there. thats the name. My friend, it doesn't say this about the New Jerusalem, it says this about the millenial reign, as I said Ezekiel chapters 40-48 are about the millenial reign. Rev. 21 is not.


The NAME of the city will be written on those who overcome. WhO says its a different name? and a different city? Where does it say this?

"But you have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the judge of all men, to the spirits of righteous men made perfect, 24to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel." Hebrews 12 I'm sorry, but this has nothing to do with what we are discussing, you can't take these verses out of context. You have to read the verses prior and after.


Have we come to heavenly Jerusalem allready?

No we haven't.