The New Jerusalem

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Deadflesh

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Its the name of the city. the cities NAME is the lord is there. thats the name. My friend, it doesn't say this about the New Jerusalem, it says this about the millenial reign, as I said Ezekiel chapters 40-48 are about the millenial reign. Rev. 21 is not.

Who says ezekiel is not about New jerusalem? thats my question.


The NAME of the city will be written on those who overcome. WhO says its a different name? and a different city? Where does it say this?

IT says in Revelation 3 that those who overcome will ahve the name of the city written on them. Thought in revelation it doesnt say what the name of the CITY IS. But Ezekiel says the name of the City is "The LORD is there" Who is to say its a different name of a different city?

"But you have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the judge of all men, to the spirits of righteous men made perfect, 24to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel." Hebrews 12 I'm sorry, but this has nothing to do with what we are discussing, you can't take these verses out of context. You have to read the verses prior and after.

Can you tell me why it doesn't pertain to what we are saying? Heavenly Jerusalem is NOT New Jerusalem?
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Have we come to heavenly Jerusalem allready?
Avinu said:
No we haven't.
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Why not? Hebrews says we have. Is heavenly Jerusalem different then NEW Jerusalem?
 
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Who says ezekiel is not about New jerusalem? thats my question.
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Because if you look at the measurements of Ez. ch's 40-42 of the Ez. temple, are drastically different from the measurements of the New Jerusalem in Rev. 21

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IT says in Revelation 3 that those who overcome will ahve the name of the city written on them. Thought in revelation it doesnt say what the name of the CITY IS. But Ezekiel says the name of the City is "The LORD is there" Who is to say its a different name of a different city?
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Rev. 3:12 says(Yeshua talking) "He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more, I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.

This is talking all about Rev. 21 as it proves out. The Ezekiel temple is built on earth by man, the New Jerusalem is built in heaven by God.

Why not? Hebrews says we have. Is heavenly Jerusalem different then NEW Jerusalem?
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As I said my friend you have to read all the verses around these, then you'll see it has nothing to do with what we're saying.
 
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Avinu said:
Because if you look at the measurements of Ez. ch's 40-42 of the Ez. temple, are drastically different from the measurements of the New Jerusalem in Rev. 21

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Rev. 3:12 says(Yeshua talking) "He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more, I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.

This is talking all about Rev. 21 as it proves out. The Ezekiel temple is built on earth by man, the New Jerusalem is built in heaven by God.


As I said my friend you have to read all the verses around these, then you'll see it has nothing to do with what we're saying.
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Well i agree the messurements are different(for specific reasons i believe )

But nothing about ezekiel says man builds it infact it starts out in 40

"In visions of God he took me to the land of Israel and set me on a very high mountain" ez 40:2

"And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City..." REv 21:10a

BOTH in visions adn BOTH taken to a high mountain.

But nothig nin Ezekiel saying this temple/city or anything was built by man. Not a thing.
 
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Well i agree the messurements are different(for specific reasons i believe )

But nothing about ezekiel says man builds it infact it starts out in 40

"In visions of God he took me to the land of Israel and set me on a very high mountain" ez 40:2

"And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City..." REv 21:10a

BOTH in visions adn BOTH taken to a high mountain.

But nothig nin Ezekiel saying this temple/city or anything was built by man. Not a thing.
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If you notice no where in Ez. 40-48 does it say this temple comes from heaven which would make it man made. As for Ezekiel being taken in a vision and John being taken in a vision doesn't mean anything. Others have been given visions as well in scripture.

If you research, just about every scholar, teacher of scriptures, pastors etc. are all in agreement that Ez. ch's 40-48 is all about the millenial reign. I've studied prophecy for about 25 yrs. off and on, and I know I don't have all the answers. But the Ez. temple is man made, or it would say that it comes from heaven, just as the New Jerusalem says it comes from heaven.

Also if you notice, in Ez. it says he is taken to the land of Israel, on a high mntn.

In Rev. 21 he is taken onto a high mntn shown the Holy New Jerusalem.
 
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Deadflesh said:
New Jerusalem is the Bride of Christ(lambs wife) The LAMB has one wife. ONLY one.


New Jerusalem is said to come OUT FROM GOD(Rev 21:2)

New Jerusalem is said to Contain GOD(Rev 21:22)

New Jerusalem has a Temple The TEMPLE is GOD and the LAMB(notice they are ONE, not separated and they are INSIDE the lambs wife...the LAMB is inside his wife, as is the father, and they are ONE) (Rev 21:22)

SO the Bride of CHRIST comes down from GOD, contains God in her, is married to the lamb, and the lamb is contained IN HER, and the lamb is one with GOD almighty and they are the temple.


There is ONE Bride(Wife) of the ONE JESUS(Lamb) and that LAMB is the temple. Inside the bride who was born of GOD(21:2) is GOD(21:22) and GOD is ONE with the LAMB(21:22) ....
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It sounds like you are saying the New Jerusalem is a symbol of the church. All the saved people
return with Jesus and set up the 1000 year reign. After that, a new heaven and earth.
Then the New Jerusalem comes. It can't be the church, because the church, the saved people,
have been with the Lord the whole time, during the 1000 yr reign. This New Jerusalem is
a promise from the Lord, to His people. He said He would go and prepare a place for us.
After all is completed and all the condemned are judged and a new heaven and new earth are
made, the saved get their gift, a place prepared by our Lord, the New Jerusalem. And it says
that only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life may enter it.

And to why it will have a wall. Well, I addressed that in my orginal post. The whole city will
be a light source to the earth. The more surface area, the greater the light source. That is
why it will have walls 1500 miles high. Note how much light a quarter moon gives, versus
a full moon. If the New Jerusalem is to shine so bright, that there wont be a night, it will
have to be very big and bright.
 
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Avinu said:
If you notice no where in Ez. 40-48 does it say this temple comes from heaven which would make it man made. As for Ezekiel being taken in a vision and John being taken in a vision doesn't mean anything. Others have been given visions as well in scripture.

If you research, just about every scholar, teacher of scriptures, pastors etc. are all in agreement that Ez. ch's 40-48 is all about the millenial reign. I've studied prophecy for about 25 yrs. off and on, and I know I don't have all the answers. But the Ez. temple is man made, or it would say that it comes from heaven, just as the New Jerusalem says it comes from heaven.

Also if you notice, in Ez. it says he is taken to the land of Israel, on a high mntn.

In Rev. 21 he is taken onto a high mntn shown the Holy New Jerusalem.
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New Jerusalem wont be in the land of Israel?

Well You can see i disagree. But thank you for the Discussion. Im very happy when discussions can stay peaceful. God Bless you Avinu. and Thanks for talking.
 
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Trax said:
It sounds like you are saying the New Jerusalem is a symbol of the church. All the saved people
return with Jesus and set up the 1000 year reign. After that, a new heaven and earth.
Then the New Jerusalem comes. It can't be the church, because the church, the saved people,
have been with the Lord the whole time, during the 1000 yr reign. This New Jerusalem is
a promise from the Lord, to His people. He said He would go and prepare a place for us.
After all is completed and all the condemned are judged and a new heaven and new earth are
made, the saved get their gift, a place prepared by our Lord, the New Jerusalem. And it says
that only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life may enter it.

And to why it will have a wall. Well, I addressed that in my orginal post. The whole city will
be a light source to the earth. The more surface area, the greater the light source. That is
why it will have walls 1500 miles high. Note how much light a quarter moon gives, versus
a full moon. If the New Jerusalem is to shine so bright, that there wont be a night, it will
have to be very big and bright.
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According to a TEACHING you are correct. but according to Plain scripture, New jeruslame is the BRIDE. JESUS has only ONE bride. MENS TEACHING say the bride is wisked away and has been with JESUS...but the BIBLE says that the BRIDE coems out from GOD and contains GOD and is married to the LAMB(JEsus) and the lamb is IN THEM.


That soudns like the Ekkisia to me. But i wont press tha matter. GOD BLESS :)
 
Avinu

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New Jerusalem wont be in the land of Israel?

Well You can see i disagree. But thank you for the Discussion. Im very happy when discussions can stay peaceful. God Bless you Avinu. and Thanks for talking.
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The New Jerusalem will far exceed the size of Israel. Thank you as well, I truly enjoyed this conversation, and am also pleased it stayed peaceful. YHVH bless you as well my friend. Look forward to our next one. Shalom
 
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Deadflesh said:
According to a TEACHING you are correct. but according to Plain scripture, New jeruslame is the BRIDE. JESUS has only ONE bride. MENS TEACHING say the bride is wisked away and has been with JESUS...but the BIBLE says that the BRIDE coems out from GOD and contains GOD and is married to the LAMB(JEsus) and the lamb is IN THEM.


That soudns like the Ekkisia to me. But i wont press tha matter. GOD BLESS :)
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I copied this from preceptaustin website:



“The bride, the wife of the Lamb” is a description, as verse 10 shows us, of the new Jerusalem which is again seen coming down out of heaven from God. Why is the new Jerusalem called the bride, the wife of the Lamb? In verse 2 we are told the city was “made ready as a bride adorned for her husband,” but here new Jerusalem is called the bride. There are at least two reasons for this: the first is seen, as suggested in verse 2, in the beautiful analogy of the figure of a bride. Though dealing with the church and her responsibility in witnessing Joseph Aldrich has nicely captured the picture. He says:
Ideally, a bride is the epitome of all that is right and beautiful. She is a symbol of purity, hope, purpose, trust, love, beauty, and wholeness in a world pock-marked with ugliness. The bride motif, found in both testaments, is used by God to illustrate His strategy for attracting mankind to the availability of his life changing grace.
So God calls new Jerusalem the bride, the wife of the Lamb, because as (a) the Lord is making his bride, the church, spotless and pure (Eph. 5:26-27), so he will make beautiful the new Jerusalem, (b) as marriage is permanent, so will be the new city, and (c) as a bride is beautiful and gloriously adorned, so will be the new city.
Second, though the new Jerusalem will eventually be the home of all the redeemed, it will first be the home of the church, the bride of Christ, who will also be on display during the Millennium, the marriage feast. Remember, this is the home that He is preparing for us (John 14:2-3).
 
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Ideally, a bride is the epitome of all that is right and beautiful. She is a symbol of purity, hope, purpose, trust, love, beauty, and wholeness in a world pock-marked with ugliness. The bride motif, found in both testaments, is used by God to illustrate His strategy for attracting mankind to the availability of his life changing grace.
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I like this, very poetic. Shalom
 
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