The offer of Salvation is universal, but the application is only : "by Faith".

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LoveBrokeThru

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Often a believer can become confused about ...... "Salvation" ..... and how its offered and how its applied.

So, let me simplify it by explaining it..... and then show you 2 key verses that will help you to clearly see a distinction between God offering The Cross of Christ to all, but not applying it to all.

Here is how God offers the Gift of Grace..... Romans 5:15.

God came here 2000 yrs ago, and died as Christ on the Cross for us ALL.
This is a one time and eternal sacrifice for ALL the sin of the world.
That is the OFFER of SALVATiON.....that is universally offered.
However, this sacrifice, this payment for all the sin of the world, is not Applied to anyone unless they BELIEVE.

See that?

FAITH, is what God requires of you, to give you His "Gift of Grace" that is "the Gift of Salvation" ...which is given to redeem you from your sin, and give you eternal life.

So, the OFFER of Christ on the Cross is to EVERYONE, but, this Sacrifice that Christ has accomplished... .this full payment for all sin... is not given to you, is not applied to you.......unless you come to Jesus and BELIEVE by FAITH and "faith is counted as righteousness", and you are "Justified BY faith".
Jesus said..>"all that come unto me, i give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish".

Reader...... If you will take Christ into your heart believing in Jesus as your Savior...., then God will take you as His OWN.
John 3:16......... is the OFFER of the Gift of Grace, the Gift of Salvation to the WORLD....but to have it applied to you.. is only when you BELIEVE in Jesus, receiving Him as your Savior.

Verse 1 : John 1:12.. "As many as RECEIVED CHRIST BY FAITH - = God GIVES them......the POWER TO BECOME a SON/Daughter of God".
See that?
That POWER is the Holy Spirit causing your spirit to become ALIVE and "one with God", ... born again., "In Christ".


Verse 2 : 1 John 2:2.... """ And Jesus is the Payment, is the Sacrifice, for the SIN of the WHOLE WORLD".

See that?
That is what Jesus is talking about, when from the Cross He said..>"it is FINISHED".
 

p_rehbein

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John Gill said:

he said, it is finished;
that is, the whole will of God; as that he should be incarnate, be exposed to shame and reproach, and suffer much, and die; the whole work his Father gave him to do, which was to preach the Gospel, work miracles, and obtain eternal salvation for his people, all which were now done, or as good as done; the whole righteousness of the law was fulfilled, an holy nature assumed, perfect obedience yielded to it, and the penalty of death endured; hence a perfect righteousness was finished agreeably to the law, which was magnified and made honourable by it, and redemption from its curse and condemnation secured; sin was made an end of, full atonement and satisfaction for it were given; complete pardon procured, peace made, and redemption from all iniquity obtained; all enemies were conquered; all types, promises, and prophecies were fulfilled, and his own course of life ended: the reason of his saying so was, because all this was near being done, just upon finishing, and was as good as done; and was sure and certain, and so complete, that nothing need, or could be added to it; and it was done entirely without the help of man, and cannot be undone; all which since has more clearly appeared by Christ's resurrection from the dead, his entrance into heaven, his session at God's right hand, the declaration of the Gospel, and the application of salvation to particular persons:
and he bowed his head;
as one dying, and freely submitting to his Father's will, and the stroke of death:
and gave up the ghost;
his spirit or soul into the hands of his Father; freely laying down that precious life of his which no man could take away from him.
 
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Faith belief. are gifts of God.

Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”
 

Pilgrimshope

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Faith belief. are gifts of God.

Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”
“Faith belief. are gifts of God.”

this is how we receive the gift

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17

“This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Jesus was sent to speak Gods word we need to accept his word to have faith if we believe In The one God sent we should accept what he was sent to speak

He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth;

He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:

and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:31-36‬ ‭

he sent Jesus into the world to speak his truth and judgements for mankind for salvation before he died and rose

“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The reason it’s important to believe Jesus is the Christ ( the one God promised to send ) is that he would teach the word of God I filigreed and unhindered by Gods spirit to mankind in isreal , and they would spread the gospel then into all nations from Israel

we need to accept the word of Christ as well as his death and resurrection . Faith needs to hear the gospel word and believe

it’s as simple as Jesus made it here

All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:27-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s why we have the gospel we can learn from God about salvstion while he’s offering gentleness , patience , forebewrance , atonement and everything g we need in Jesus if we will accept his actual offer and instructions we can be saved by this gentle teacher by just believing him learning from him and eventually learning to actually follow his ways

“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

later when we hear the gospel and begin to accept and believe we can learn from Jesus by doing so. Which has the power to change us at our hearts core in our faith

if so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

and be renewed in the spirit of your mind; and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:21-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬


his teachkngs about God , eterbal
Life , mankind’s salvstion ect can change our mind and how we think which changes how we act if we really accept Jesus is the one to believe in we can approach him and begin to learn from the lord and be saved
 
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#5
“Faith belief. are gifts of God.”

this is how we receive the gift

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17

“This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Jesus was sent to speak Gods word we need to accept his word to have faith if we believe In The one God sent we should accept what he was sent to speak

He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth;

He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:

and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:31-36‬ ‭

he sent Jesus into the world to speak his truth and judgements for mankind for salvation before he died and rose

“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The reason it’s important to believe Jesus is the Christ ( the one God promised to send ) is that he would teach the word of God I filigreed and unhindered by Gods spirit to mankind in isreal , and they would spread the gospel then into all nations from Israel

we need to accept the word of Christ as well as his death and resurrection . Faith needs to hear the gospel word and believe

it’s as simple as Jesus made it here

All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:27-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s why we have the gospel we can learn from God about salvstion while he’s offering gentleness , patience , forebewrance , atonement and everything g we need in Jesus if we will accept his actual offer and instructions we can be saved by this gentle teacher by just believing him learning from him and eventually learning to actually follow his ways

“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

later when we hear the gospel and begin to accept and believe we can learn from Jesus by doing so. Which has the power to change us at our hearts core in our faith

if so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

and be renewed in the spirit of your mind; and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:21-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬


his teachkngs about God , eterbal
Life , mankind’s salvstion ect can change our mind and how we think which changes how we act if we really accept Jesus is the one to believe in we can approach him and begin to learn from the lord and be saved
Romans 12:3 For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned.


Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Matthew 22:14 "For many are called, but few are chosen.”

Proverbs 16:4 The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord.
 

Magenta

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Christ's sacrifice is sufficient for all but efficacious only for those who believe :)
 
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Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Ephesians 2:10
10For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life.
 
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Faith belief. are gifts of God.

Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”
That verse says faith is a work.

John 6:28,29
28Then they inquired, “What must we do to perform the works of God?”
29Jesus replied, “The work of God is this: to believe in the One He has sent.”

As far as I’m aware, there isn’t an Old Testament command to believe in the Messiah. There are many prophecies about a coming Messiah, (later revealed to be Jesus of Nazareth) but no such command to believe in Him in the OT Scriptures. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

Also, not all of the Old Testament prophecies regarding Jesus were understood to be Messianic prophecies until Jesus and/or His apostles showed what they really were.

This means Jesus had an uphill climb to convince people who He was exactly, often differing to miracles instead of knowledge/wisdom from Scripture to win converts.

The work of believing in “the One God sent” is therefore not a jot or jittle from the codified law of Moses; it isn’t a “work of the law” so to speak. Rather, believing in Jesus is a good work of obedience related to doing the will of God.
 

Grandpa

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That verse says faith is a work.

John 6:28,29
28Then they inquired, “What must we do to perform the works of God?”
29Jesus replied, “The work of God is this: to believe in the One He has sent.”

As far as I’m aware, there isn’t an Old Testament command to believe in the Messiah. There are many prophecies about a coming Messiah, (later revealed to be Jesus of Nazareth) but no such command to believe in Him in the OT Scriptures. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

Also, not all of the Old Testament prophecies regarding Jesus were understood to be Messianic prophecies until Jesus and/or His apostles showed what they really were.

This means Jesus had an uphill climb to convince people who He was exactly, often differing to miracles instead of knowledge/wisdom from Scripture to win converts.

The work of believing in “the One God sent” is therefore not a jot or jittle from the codified law of Moses; it isn’t a “work of the law” so to speak. Rather, believing in Jesus is a good work of obedience related to doing the will of God.
Ephesians 2:8-9 says faith is not a work that you can do but a gift from God.

Galatians 5:22-23 shows why.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Here is how God offers the Gift of Grace..... Romans 5:15.
Rom 5:15 -If you have the KJV version, it says; The gift of grace has abounded to "many", not to "all".
However, this sacrifice, this payment for all the sin of the world, is not Applied to anyone unless they BELIEVE.
The un-regenerant man as described in 1 Cor 2:14, Can not believe in the things of the Spirit, until he has been born again with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Spiritual faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit (Gal 5:22).

The only faith that the un-regenerant man has is faith in mankind and his accomplishments. He does not have spiritual faith until he has been born again.
you are "Justified BY faith".
All of those that God gave to Jesus, are justified by Jesus faithfulness (Gal 2:16) in going to the cross, and dying only for the sins of those that God gave him (John 6:37-40).
John 3:16......... is the OFFER of the Gift of Grace, the Gift of Salvation to the WORLD....but to have it applied to you.. is only when you BELIEVE in Jesus, receiving Him as your Savior.
Only those who have been born can believe in the things of the Spirit.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Verse 2 : 1 John 2:2.... """ And Jesus is the Payment, is the Sacrifice, for the SIN of the WHOLE WORLD".
The world in this scripture is the world of believers only, not the whole world. The believers only world is also found in the following scriptures, according to Greek interpretation; John 1:29, 3:17, 6:33, 12:47, 1 Cor 4:9, 2 Cor 5:19.
That is what Jesus is talking about, when from the Cross He said..>"it is FINISHED".
It is finished, meaning his work is finished, stating that he died only for those that God gave him, and that he would not lose any of them, but reais them up at the last day.
 

Dino246

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The un-regenerant man as described in 1 Cor 2:14, Can not believe in the things of the Spirit,
That's not what it says.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

It says the natural man cannot receive or know them. It says nothing of believe. The context also strongly suggests that it is speaking of the deeper things of the Spirit, not merely the gospel.

The only faith that the un-regenerant man has is faith in mankind and his accomplishments. He does not have spiritual faith until he has been born again.
Do you have a verse for this?

By the way, the word is "unregenerate", not "un-regenerant".
 

Dino246

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The world in this scripture is the world of believers only, not the whole world. The believers only world is also found in the following scriptures, according to Greek interpretation; John 1:29, 3:17, 6:33, 12:47, 1 Cor 4:9, 2 Cor 5:19.

It is finished, meaning his work is finished, stating that he died only for those that God gave him, and that he would not lose any of them, but reais them up at the last day.
Anything else you want to add to Scripture, or take from it, while you're on a roll? (cf. Rev. 22:18-19).
 
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Ephesians 2:8-9 says faith is not a work that you can do but a gift from God.

Galatians 5:22-23 shows why.
Then you stand in complete contradiction to the New Testament. Jesus is always the foundation. I recommend you know that.