The official doctrine of the Antichrist / king / leader in the end

[peterT]

The official doctrine of the Antichrist is, that there is no Antichrist and that Islam is the beast.

That’s called ( Displacement ) 'shift' or 'move'- act of taking the place of another especially using underhanded tactics.

( Smokescreen ) smoke screen to mask the movement of.

We should be looking closer to home for the rise of the Antichrist.

2 Corinthians 11:14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Daniel11:21And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
22And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
23And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
24He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.

 

[Dude653]

I believe the antichrist will come from the Roman Catholic church

 

[peterT]

I believe the antichrist will come from the Roman Catholic church

Some say that Yes.

I don’t know.

But as far as I can see he comes from Europe an extension of the legs of iron from daniel2 which was the old Roman Empire then into the last kingdom and then his feet part of iron and part of clay with the ten toes, an extension of the legs of iron.

So I’m pretty sure he comes from Europe.

But we will have them that use Displacement and point the finger somewhere and to someone else

 

[Crazy4GODword]

Ah, but what about the increasing religion called Satanism? They literally worship satan, and support going to be burned in hell with him. It is growing here in america...music is also influencing these minds of ours...into such things

It is growing, i think it started in europe, teens are infulenced into this....like a religion called wicka where they practice crazy stuff

 

[Katy-follower]

Don't forget the men behind the Vatican are the Jesuits. They pull the strings. The founder was Ignatius of Loyola, who also was founder of Skull & Bones Secret society (the one that is now within the government)

 

[1Christianwarrior316]

The official doctrine of the Antichrist is, that there is no Antichrist and that Islam is the beast.

That’s called ( Displacement ) 'shift' or 'move'- act of taking the place of another especially using underhanded tactics.

( Smokescreen ) smoke screen to mask the movement of.

We should be looking closer to home for the rise of the Antichrist.

2 Corinthians 11:14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Daniel11:21And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
22And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
23And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
24He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.

Ok let me get this straight peterT. If I believe that there is not and end time antichrist king and that Islam is the beast, I am holding the doctrine of antichrist. Is this correct? Could you provide scripture as to what antichrist’s doctrine is? Book, chapter, verse please.
Since you will not find it in scripture let me show you the doctrine of antichrist…
019.088 They say: “(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!”
019.089 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!
019.090 At it the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin,
019.091 That they should invoke a son for (Allah) Most Gracious.
019.092 For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that He should beget a son.
004.157 That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
And this is found in the quran.
　
　
　
Now back to your post... if I believe there is not an end time antichrist king and Islam is the beast, then let me get this right, I am being accused by you of being a minister of Satan. Is that correct?
Well peterT I do believe this, and this also, that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, that Jesus Christ is King of Kings and Lord of Lords, that Jesus Christ is the Lamb of God, and Jesus Christ was crucified, resurrected, and now sits on the right hand of power. I am no minister of Satan because I believe these things. I love the Lord with all my heart and find your accusation unbrotherly in Christ because I understand scripture the way the Lord has opened my eyes to see. It is my opinion that you should repent of making such an accusation. It is not our doctrine that saves us but our faith. And it is my opinion that you should go back and study what brotherly love is. And this I will tell you peterT, not you, nor anyone on this forum, neither death, nor life, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, separate me from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus my Lord!!! (Rom 8:38-39)

I will keep you in my prayers.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

 

[peterT]

Ah, but what about the increasing religion called Satanism? They literally worship satan, and support going to be burned in hell with him. It is growing here in america...music is also influencing these minds of ours...into such things

It is growing, i think it started in europe, teens are infulenced into this....like a religion called wicka where they practice crazy stuff

I can’t see him coming openly as Satan,
You don’t have to openly confess Satan to be doomed, just look at the 5 foolish virgins in Matt25
We must remember he is a liar and the father of it.
And when he tried to deceive Jesus he quoted scripture.

 

[peterT]

Ok let me get this straight peterT. If I believe that there is not and end time antichrist king and that Islam is the beast, I am holding the doctrine of antichrist. Is this correct?

No I don’t hold that view.
But you are using Displacement.
And Like Tomas you will have to see to believe, nevertheless Jesus was speaking to one of the 12.

Matt12:30He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

 

[peterT]

019.088 They say: “(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!”
019.089 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!
019.090 At it the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin,
019.091 That they should invoke a son for (Allah) Most Gracious.
019.092 For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that He should beget a son.
004.157 That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
And this is found in the quran.
　
　
　
It is my opinion that you should repent of making such an accusation. It is not our doctrine that saves us but our faith. And it is my opinion that you should go back and study what brotherly love is.

Maybe you should repent and stop quoting the Quran and quote some Bible verses instead

Exodus 23:13And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.
Joshua 23:7That ye come not among these nations, these that remain among you; neither make mention of the name of their gods, nor cause to swear by them, neither serve them, nor bow yourselves unto them:

And it is my opinion that you should go back and study what brotherly love is.

This is brotherly love to preach the gospel

I don’t want you to run out of oil like the five foolish virgins

 

[Crazy4GODword]

I can’t see him coming openly as Satan,
You don’t have to openly confess Satan to be doomed, just look at the 5 foolish virgins in Matt25
We must remember he is a liar and the father of it.
And when he tried to deceive Jesus he quoted scripture.

nah bro, they believe exactly what we believe and that Jesus is the way of salvation but decide that they must convert people to follow satan, and wat so called benifits that come with it

 

[Katy-follower]

I can’t see him coming openly as Satan,

"An angel of light" "Wolf in sheep's clothing" "counterfeit of Christianity"

This is why the Vatican has an angelic appearance, hiding the guys behind the scenes (as I put in my last post)

*Sorry if this offends, just speaking my mind*

 

[doulos]

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Interestingly if we base our view of antichrists on what the only 4 verses that use the word tell us we can see that there are many and they have been here since John wrote the verses about them. As we can see none of these verses tell us antichists are endtime world leaders. On the other hand Scripture does tell us beasts are kingdom’s. Fulfilled prophecy and history proves God’s word is true and that beasts are kingdoms. Sadly many are so busy looking over their shoulder for a boogieman aka “the Antichrist” they fail to recognize the beast(kingdom) is staring us in the eye ready to take our heads.

For those who believe Catholics are antichrists maybe they could show us which one of the only 4 verses that use the word describe Catholics. (LOL no I am not a Catholic).

 

[sllhouette]

2 Corinthians 11:14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

This is saying that Satan claims to provide truth and illumination upon life. This is why we call him Lucifer or light bearer. I personally prefer not to worry about a single person that might be the "Anti-Christ" but rather worry about people who are anti-Christ. Indeed I think that we could classify all militant atheists as being anti-Christs and the sad thing is they think they are enlightened!

I believe the antichrist will come from the Roman Catholic church

I would not deny that there are some in my Church who are anti-Christs. Indeed, we know to expect that because one of the first apostles labeled himself as being anti-Christ with a kiss! But I Love my Church and although there may be some within who would do evil, there are many who are very Good. This, I believe, is also true for protestants.

*Sorry if this offends, just speaking my mind*

It could only offend me if you did not acknowledge the equal possibility that there could be "An angel of light" "Wolf in sheep's clothing" "counterfeit of Christianity" among your own congregation. Indeed, in light of Judas, to deny such danger would be Grave pride. But even if you denied it, I would only be offended because of the Grave danger of being mislead by an anti-Christ that you would place yourself in by committing yourself to such pride.

The anti-Christ is all who deny that Christ has come in the Flesh.

 

[peterT]

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

I see you are adding the S to the word antichrist shall come in the last time.
That’s not good bro.

Interestingly if we base our view of antichrists on what the only 4 verses that use the word tell us we can see that there are many and they have been here since John wrote the verses about them. As we can see none of these verses tell us antichists are endtime world leaders. On the other hand Scripture does tell us beasts are kingdom’s. Fulfilled prophecy and history proves God’s word is true and that beasts are kingdoms. Sadly many are so busy looking over their shoulder for a boogieman aka “the Antichrist” they fail to recognize the beast(kingdom) is staring us in the eye ready to take our heads.

There are many other verses in the bible about an antichrist that doesn’t mention the word antichrist, and he shall make war with the saints, that makes him antichrist YES?

Daniel7:21I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them

Rv13:7And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

. On the other hand Scripture does tell us beasts are kingdom’s. Fulfilled prophecy and history proves God’s word is true and that beasts are kingdoms. Sadly many are so busy looking over their shoulder for a boogieman aka “the Antichrist” they fail to recognize the beast(kingdom) .

YES and history proves God’s word is true
Beasts are also known as kings from the same chapter but you forget to mention that because it doesn't suit your doctrine.

Daniel 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

There are plenty of scripture about a antichrist/ king /leader in the end, but there are NO scripture saying that there is not.

 

[1Christianwarrior316]

No I don’t hold that view.
But you are using Displacement.

You don’t hold that view? Are these not your own words?…“The official doctrine of the Antichrist is, that there is no Antichrist and that Islam is the beast.” Or are they the words of someone else?
Then you go on to say…“That’s called ( Displacement ) 'shift' or 'move'- act of taking the place of another especially using underhanded tactics.”


1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.


I recognize the truth of what the above scriptures say. But you are adding that antichrist is an end time king to the above scriptures, and you say I am using displacement. Show me from the above verses where it defines by scripture what antichrist is, that antichrist is an end time king.

I don’t want you to run out of oil like the five foolish virgins

Are you calling me a fool? (Mat 5:22) That is being judgmental for you know very little about me nor my faith and love for my Lord Jesus Christ. The true intent of your heart is very visible to everyone. And I forgive you for making such an accusation against me. For the Word of God instructs me to forgive. Mark 11:26, Luke 6:37, Luke 17:3-4
And since you think I should quote scripture more than let me quote the following…
Mat 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.


Now I will not tell you how to address people but let God’s Word teach us.
Col 4:6 Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.


May the Lord bless you peterT.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
　
　
　


　
　
　
　
　
　

 

[Therapon]

There are plenty of scripture about a antichrist/ king /leader in the end, but there are NO scripture saying that there is not.

There NO scripture saying that Moses didn't have six wives either, but that doesn't mean he did. You cannot support a theoretical doctrine because Scripture doesn't state it isn't so.

The future antichrist doctrine was invented in 1591 by Fr. Ribers, a Jesuit, to derail the Reformation. Other verses, like those in 2Th 2 are about an evil spirit sure enough, probably Satan, but interpreting them to be about a future human antichrist is really dubious, it's unsupportable suppositional theology!

 

[pickles]

Many are the suspected.
Praise God that one(Jesus) is the truth!
I see now more the prepping, many places and much doubt being worked through the world.
Sometimes I wonder that there will be a coming together of advisaries, who deny Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh, claiming this is the truth, and any that refuse shall be rejected, punished.
Satan is the great inposter.
The only way to avoid being decieved, is to know Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh!
For if we are certain of the truth, Jesus!, then all the false ones will be easly seen.
So worry not about who the antichrist is.
Just be certain of who Jesus is!

God bless
pickles

 

[loveme1]

Read the Bible and let the Holy spirit teach you.

 

[loveme1]

For so long people have been seeking the truth from man made doctrine.

The Bible is inspired by the Most High Yahvah God.

Surely then only the Holy Spirit can give the correct understanding of Scripture?

All you see is, this doctrine or that doctrine, that is why there is so much confusion...

If people would just seek the truth where it is found.

 

[Consumed]

the words of God love thy neighbour, bless those that curse you, give expecting nothing in return and then you shall be like your Father in Heaven who gives the sun to shine on the good and the evil,

lets stick to the new covenant and the doctrine of Jesus Christ, unto death and not get caught up in world causing divisions. I recall love thy neighbour, not just the brethren as we are all made as His creation regardless whats going on, hence Jesus died for all and not just the jews, He is our rightousness, doing anything other than His way is to be self rightous, now does Jesus say gather a army and make war (judas so wanted that) cause they reject Him, does Jesus say turn the other cheek, does scripture tell us those that live by the sword will die by it?

is there a limit on how much to love those that curse us, absolutely unashamedly we should unconditionally regardless for it is Christ who lives in us less our flesh is still kicking and we try mix new wine in old wine skins - boom then the flesh talks and justifies itself all on its own

There is one judge and its definately not going to be the created doing the judging, we are to give account of ourselves, every idle word, wooooo fear of God time, healthy fear