The Oracles of Wisdom

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Aaron56

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#44
How can a fallen angel be the Prince of Persia or the prince of Greece? And if that were true then there would have to be a King of Persia and a king of Greece. If the fallen Angels are the Prince of Persia or the prince of Greece then who is the King of Persia and the king of Greece is that another fallen Angel? Please explain? I read through your hypothesis and there's a lot of open ends and rabbit trails.
“Prince” or “sar“ in the Hebrew does not imply a son of someone, only that they have a measure of rule.
 

cv5

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#45
How can a fallen angel be the Prince of Persia or the prince of Greece? And if that were true then there would have to be a King of Persia and a king of Greece. If the fallen Angels are the Prince of Persia or the prince of Greece then who is the King of Persia and the king of Greece is that another fallen Angel? Please explain? I read through your hypothesis and there's a lot of open ends and rabbit trails.
How could it be anyone OTHER than a fallen angel?
Angelic warfare on display here. Seldom made as obvious as this however ubiquitous and ongoing it may be.

[Dan 10:5 KJV]
Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins [were] girded with fine gold of Uphaz:

[Dan 10:6 KJV]
His body also [was] like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.

[Dan 10:7 KJV]
And I Daniel alone saw the vision: for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves.

[Dan 10:8 KJV]
Therefore I was left alone, and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me: for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I retained no strength.

[Dan 10:9 KJV]
Yet heard I the voice of his words: and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground.

[Dan 10:10 KJV]
And, behold, an hand touched me, which set me upon my knees and [upon] the palms of my hands.

[Dan 10:11 KJV]
And he said unto me, O Daniel, a man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak unto thee, and stand upright: for unto thee am I now sent. And when he had spoken this word unto me, I stood trembling.

[Dan 10:12 KJV]
Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.

[Dan 10:13 KJV]
But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

[Dan 10:16 KJV]
And, behold, [one] like the similitude of the sons of men touched my lips: then I opened my mouth, and spake, and said unto him that stood before me, O my lord, by the vision my sorrows are turned upon me, and I have retained no strength.

[Dan 10:17 KJV]
For how can the servant of this my lord talk with this my lord? for as for me, straightway there remained no strength in me, neither is there breath left in me.

[Dan 10:18 KJV]
Then there came again and touched me [one] like the appearance of a man, and he strengthened me,

[Dan 10:19 KJV]
And said, O man greatly beloved, fear not: peace [be] unto thee, be strong, yea, be strong. And when he had spoken unto me, I was strengthened, and said, Let my lord speak; for thou hast strengthened me.

[Dan 10:20 KJV]
Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.

[Dan 10:21 KJV]
But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and [there is] none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
 
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#46
I've looked over
All your answers so far
And all I have to say
yes He did -

Luke 19:9​
This day is Salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.
You really believe
the name of God
Is written in this verse?
 
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#49
How could it be anyone OTHER than a fallen angel?
Angelic warfare on display here. Seldom made as obvious as this however ubiquitous and ongoing it may be.

[Dan 10:5 KJV]
Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins [were] girded with fine gold of Uphaz:

[Dan 10:6 KJV]
His body also [was] like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.

[Dan 10:7 KJV]
And I Daniel alone saw the vision: for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves.

[Dan 10:8 KJV]
Therefore I was left alone, and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me: for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I retained no strength.

[Dan 10:9 KJV]
Yet heard I the voice of his words: and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground.

[Dan 10:10 KJV]
And, behold, an hand touched me, which set me upon my knees and [upon] the palms of my hands.

[Dan 10:11 KJV]
And he said unto me, O Daniel, a man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak unto thee, and stand upright: for unto thee am I now sent. And when he had spoken this word unto me, I stood trembling.

[Dan 10:12 KJV]
Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.

[Dan 10:13 KJV]
But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

[Dan 10:16 KJV]
And, behold, [one] like the similitude of the sons of men touched my lips: then I opened my mouth, and spake, and said unto him that stood before me, O my lord, by the vision my sorrows are turned upon me, and I have retained no strength.

[Dan 10:17 KJV]
For how can the servant of this my lord talk with this my lord? for as for me, straightway there remained no strength in me, neither is there breath left in me.

[Dan 10:18 KJV]
Then there came again and touched me [one] like the appearance of a man, and he strengthened me,

[Dan 10:19 KJV]
And said, O man greatly beloved, fear not: peace [be] unto thee, be strong, yea, be strong. And when he had spoken unto me, I was strengthened, and said, Let my lord speak; for thou hast strengthened me.

[Dan 10:20 KJV]
Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.

[Dan 10:21 KJV]
But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and [there is] none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
I'm starting to think
You love to cut and paste
Verses from the Bible.
 
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#50
Isaiah chapter 13

5: They come from a far country,
from the end of heaven.

Who is they? What country
Is from the end of heaven?
 
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#51
Joel chapter 2

These beings
That is destroying Earth
That Joel is describing
Cannot be from Earth.
Read this chapter
Tell me what you think of it?
 
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#53
The Bible is a fascinating and magnificent collection of 66 books detailing the lives of them who were inspired by the Spirit of the living God and who's encounters with the Spirit of the living God is a never ending river of knowledge and mysteries with adventures in the
past, present and future worlds.
In this thread as permitted
I will post certain things from the magnificent Bible that has caught my eye and intrigued my curiosity to
see what you have to say about it
And get your perspective and point of view concerning it.
Why do you think you can bring your devil worship to this site?
 
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#57
I'm starting to think that you hate it when I do.
I love to post
And quote scripture.
But I wait
For the right time

Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect,
even as your Father
which is in heaven is perfect.

The Holy Ghost taught me
Timing is everything.
 

cv5

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Nov 20, 2018
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#58
Joel chapter 2

These beings
That is destroying Earth
That Joel is describing
Cannot be from Earth.
Read this chapter
Tell me what you think of it?
[Rev 9:15-19 KJV]
15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

16 And the number of the army of the horsemen [were] two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses [were] as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails [were] like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
 

SonJudgment

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Jun 25, 2024
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#59
Isaiah chapter 13

5: They come from a far country,
from the end of heaven.


Who is they? What country
Is from the end of heaven?
There is not a period midsentence
at the end of that part of the verse.
The answer to both your questions lays in
a fullness of the scriptures of the Word.

Isaiah 13:5
5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the Lord, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.
 

posthuman

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Jul 31, 2013
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#60
I've looked over
All your answers so far
And all I have to say

You really believe
the name of God
Is written in this verse?
you really don't know Who He is?

He says His name constantly

John 18:5-6​
They answered Him,
"Jesus of Nazareth."
Jesus said to them,
"I AM"
And Judas, who betrayed Him, also stood with them. Now when He said to them, "I AM" they drew back and fell to the ground.
Exodus 3:14-15
And He said,
"Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'"
Moreover God said to Moses,
"Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: 'The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.'"