The Orders Of Church of God.
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I agree that we should take the Bible seriously. Therefore, I must ask, where in the law "doth it saith" that women must be silent? Until you can answer this question adequately, it is premature to be quoting the whole passage and asserting that we must follow it to the letter.
The truth is, there is no such command in the Law (the Torah). Therefore, according to Jesus, it must be a considered a command of men, and not of God! So... would Paul, who knew the Torah very well, either claim to quote as Torah what he knew was not in the Torah, or claim that something from outside the Scripture was, in fact, a law binding upon Christians? Likely not; that would be bearing false witness or highly inconsistent.
A far more logical conclusion is that Paul was quoting someone else, and responding to that quotation. Can I prove that? No. Does it make sense in light of the whole counsel of Scripture? Yes.
The truth is, there is no such command in the Law (the Torah). Therefore, according to Jesus, it must be a considered a command of men, and not of God! So... would Paul, who knew the Torah very well, either claim to quote as Torah what he knew was not in the Torah, or claim that something from outside the Scripture was, in fact, a law binding upon Christians? Likely not; that would be bearing false witness or highly inconsistent.
A far more logical conclusion is that Paul was quoting someone else, and responding to that quotation. Can I prove that? No. Does it make sense in light of the whole counsel of Scripture? Yes.
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Putting spreading the gospel aside. The lord said "It is not good for the man to be alone" and he made Eve. Paul said because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. God doesn't mind if a person chooses to be single but to say it's better for christians to be single, that's never indicated. If that is your personal opinion then you have the right to it.
"The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."
Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given.
For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others--and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."
Mt 19:10
"Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do."
1 Cor 7:8
"Are you pledged to a woman? Do not seek to be released. Are you free from such a commitment? Do not look for a wife."
1 Cor 7:27
"But if you do marry, you have not sinned, and if a betrothed woman marries, she has not sinned. Yet those who marry will have worldly troubles, and I would spare you that."
1 Cor 7:28
"I want you to be free from anxieties. The unmarried man is anxious about the things of the Lord, how to please the Lord. But the married man is anxious about worldly things, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided.
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I say this for your own benefit, not to lay any restraint upon you, but to promote good order and to secure your undivided devotion to the Lord."
1Cor 7:32, 34
"For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven."
Mk 12:25
"It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are virgins. It is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These have been redeemed from mankind as firstfruits for God and the Lamb"
Rev 14:4
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How could you overlook all this?
Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given.
For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others--and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."
Mt 19:10
"Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do."
1 Cor 7:8
"Are you pledged to a woman? Do not seek to be released. Are you free from such a commitment? Do not look for a wife."
1 Cor 7:27
"But if you do marry, you have not sinned, and if a betrothed woman marries, she has not sinned. Yet those who marry will have worldly troubles, and I would spare you that."
1 Cor 7:28
"I want you to be free from anxieties. The unmarried man is anxious about the things of the Lord, how to please the Lord. But the married man is anxious about worldly things, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided.
....
I say this for your own benefit, not to lay any restraint upon you, but to promote good order and to secure your undivided devotion to the Lord."
1Cor 7:32, 34
"For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven."
Mk 12:25
"It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are virgins. It is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These have been redeemed from mankind as firstfruits for God and the Lamb"
Rev 14:4
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How could you overlook all this?
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Are you still in the "present distress"...
1 Cor 7:26 I think then that this is good in view of the present distress, that it is good for a man to remain as he is.
My wife used to say "do I look fat in disdress?".....
1 Cor 7:26 I think then that this is good in view of the present distress, that it is good for a man to remain as he is.
My wife used to say "do I look fat in disdress?".....
Some women are very unsecure about their look... which is not spiritual at all
And then... you will a) lie b) have a big argument and no dinner
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I didn't however you are applying that to todays times. During that time of heavy torture & persecution yes it wouldve been better to remained single and not have a wife and kids. Marriage is a gift from God, Paul specifically indicated HE wish men were single like him, that's not a commandment from God. It sounds as if your encouraging people not to marry which is not Gods word. It depends on the situation if a man put his wife above the lord then its better not to marry.
Not sure what you are trying to say... that in today's world married are not divided between God and the spouse? Or that in today's world we do not have worldly worries?
Or that Revelation and Jesus are talking just about... 1st century?
I am afraid you would not be able to defend your case. First you said it is not in the Bible, now you say it is there, but not for us. Interesting that you initially argued by the verse from Genesis.. probably more for us than the NT...?
Or that Revelation and Jesus are talking just about... 1st century?
I am afraid you would not be able to defend your case. First you said it is not in the Bible, now you say it is there, but not for us. Interesting that you initially argued by the verse from Genesis.. probably more for us than the NT...?
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